I got 2 weeks from Refuge, who kindly quoted the nominee themself -A Bloodred Moon wrote:SherpDaWerp wrote:They aren't naive of all invasions, yes, but when a new member shows up and helps out with the community, the naivety is in trusting them fully and instantly (see the 2 weeks thing above). You can be vigilant against external threats quite easily, but my point revolves around the idea that infiltration sidesteps that process and exploits natives' trust and willingness to give new members opportunities.
Wouldn’t know where you got the two weeks thing from - Illuminati required six months. The region, again, was not unaware of the possibility of infiltration, so I would argue that it did take an amount of skill and that the region in question wasn’t as naive, trusting or helpless as most.
I wouldn't know if it's different - I'm just working with what I've got. 6 months is a pretty significant investiture of time, so I'll give you that. Though, I will still point out that they may not have been naive but they certainly would have been weakened by the internal squabbles you mentioned, which could have much the same effect.Don't make someone vice and send a regionwide telling people to endorse them when they've only been in your founderless region for 2 weeks. It won't end well, it's probably me.
Underrated they may be, but my point still stands. I could probably get 5+ pilers just by asking some RL mates that play on/off whether they could quickly make a nation and give me a hand, and I don't even do GP. For someone who's in probably multiple different discord servers/regional fora of raider groups, I can imagine it would be pretty minimal effort to gather a decent number of pilers.And while it's also true that having additional external forces is part of the raid, the "skill" involved in deploying them is less than in an outright raid, as the region has been weakened by the infiltrator (and in the case of Illuminati, also weakened by internal squabbles). And the 140 number is a bit dodgy - that's essentially saying "well they got 90 pilers, gg congrats". Gathering pilers is just going on discord or forums or whatever and saying "hey can i get some more endorsements pls and thanks".
Pilers are underratedthey do take some level of organisation building, especially in large numbers.
It takes no less skill to deploy updaters with a sleeper - you could argue it takes more, having all your troops move and endorse the sleeper in a matter of seconds.
As my understanding goes, updaters have to move and endorse quickly no matter the occasion, and my presumption is that the sleeper has enough influence that they can immediately reduce the number of BC ROs, and if they infiltrated to the point of being an RO themself, they could kick some of the others even before the raid starts, which further reduces the ability of the remaining ROs to defend their region.
