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Postby Kazaman » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:53 pm

I realise that Dev's post on the history of The Commonwealth is over a year old, and that conversation has moved well beyond it, but I'd like to correct the record on a few events that concern me.

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:So Rose became Queen of the Commonwealth. In hindsight, this would have been a bad time to unify the founders underneath the control of the monarch.

There were some shady sorts of people floating around the Commonwealth of the time. Lord Alphanesia, for example, had already showed up at least once (but I can't, for the life of me, remember what his agenda was). There were definitely some other personalities that I don't remember; but the group of people that are going to matter the most are indeed "The Aeazen Combine"- which LA was a member of. For reference, Aeazer was already a DOS player; he'd been made DOS all the way back in pre-influence days, along with a large chunk of their organization and their O.G. leaders.

Aeazer should probably not have been allowed back into NationStates; but he'd been able to quitely return because Rose had given him one of her nations ("Alistair Ghent"). This account had been reported a lot at the time, but game mods said there was no problem with his presence in the game. They did not seem to remember that he was in fact DOS until, bizarrely, the Gatesville coup of Osiris in 2013, and then, to my extreme irritation, they claimed they'd never had any idea who "Alistair Ghent" had belonged to. The truth is, it was probably only in 2013 that Aeazer actually confirmed on-site himself that he was the player behind "Alistair Ghent", but it still seems a bit silly that he'd not been detected for so long; there was a boatload of evidence that would have probably been taken into account today.

Rose quietly invited Lord Alphanesia, Aeazer, and all of their friends to the Commonwealth on a more permanent basis; she also added Audux to the Commonwealth, the old French themed home of the wider Alphanesian family. There were definitely people in regions like Hampshire who issued warnings about this to us, but those warnings were probably blown off.

The Aeazen Combine made themselves at home; they weren't invisible, of course, but most members didn't really recognize them as "The Aeazen Combine" or anything (most of us had no prior NS experience before the Commonwealth, including me)- just friends of Queen Rose. Eventually, they decided to run for government, as one, and they did. They took all 8 of 9 seats in the House of Commons (more on that in a bit), and they also took the Prime Minister spot. They did this with the blessing of Queen Rose; they also involved people such as Rix who had been on the outskirts of Commonwealth society for some time. But there was one other big Commonwealth figure who found out- Charles, who was not participating much, but still respected as the root admin of the forums and the guy who allowed us to be so successful in the first place. At the end of the election, he blew the whistle, and exposed the whole thing.

I was actually dead centre in the middle of this particular mess. While I wasn't exactly considered truly trustworthy or anything, I was working on being less of an utter shithead (episodes did occur), and I'd eventually grown the confidence to run for office at the time. When I'd won a position in the House of Commons, I was thrilled; but Charles showed me on the morning of the day he blew the whistle (night before, my time) that I'd only won because one of the Aeazen Combine agents had gone inactive (Kazaman). I was not a member of the Aeazen Combine myself (and they never would have let me in), but I was a member of the Alphanesian family- I got on well with LA, and Rose, and so on, and so they decided I was a safe bet for someone they could control, and they all switched their votes to me.

(...)

The Commonwealth was a raider region. Today, it'd be fairly accurately listed as an "Independent", although I don't think either The New Inquisition or Europeia were ever particularly fond of it. We did not raid to deliberately be evil, or based on any kind of ideology (which was the norm of the day among raider orgs); we did it because we felt like it. In fact, the main reason why we went for raiding over defending was because the main person from the defender side of affairs that was trying to woo us was Falconias, and we could tell that a; he was simultaneously being dishonest and trying to set up spies in the Commonwealth, and b; whenever we raided, he got mad about it, which was funny. So we leaned towards raiding. We sometimes worked with The Dominion and Unknown, sometimes with Europeia and The New Inquisition, but most of the time we were just doing our own thing. Sometimes, we'd even both raid and defend in the same update; we were messing around with what would now be called "switchers" well before anyone else ever bothered.

The large size of our community meant that we were able to do some cool, long forgotten stuff. For starters, Lazarus had repeatedly been subjected to coups over the previous few years and had been held by Killer Kitties for some time. But Lazarus did not have the ability to eject nations at the time- so 8 or 9 of us endoswapped up to challenge Killer Kitties, and eventually Charles pipped him with the puppet Razril Island. Killer Kitties agreed to make no contest out of the matter if we granted his raider org access to our recruitment lists, and we agreed; and that's how I met the guy behind Killer Kitties- Evil Wolf. Lone Wolves United became a member of the Commonwealth (for maybe 4-5 months), and Evil Wolf agreed to lead our military. Lazarus was restored to the Emerald Republic (eventually- I think at one point, Charles literally gave Razril Island to Rose for a birthday present), and we moved on. This was well before Charles quit as King. In addition, underneath the governance of Queen Rose and the assistance of The Dominion, Europeia (and to be fair, about a dozen members of the Aeazen Combine), we were able to launch a full emergency countercoup of The West Pacific and return into to ROLHEATH, who as I recall, was notable for exclusively communicating in haiku. The TWP operation involved about 40 Commonwealth endorsements. Doesn't sound like much, but remember again- the game was less than a quarter of the size it is now.

If we go back to the thing with Charles favouring one political party over the other, well, one of the reasons why Charles favoured that party is because he wanted to raid; and the party was full of people who did want to raid. The other party weren't quite as hard core about it. They raided, but they had problems with, for example, "griefing". After the end of King Charles, and the end of Queen Rose, the majority of established people in the realm were from the other party, and suddenly, they were in control of the foreign policy of the Commonwealth.

The biggest raider org in operation at the time was Unknown; but the relationship became adversarial between some of the new Commonwealth leadership and Unknown itself, due to exactly this attitude about "griefing". Kazaman in particular caused a big problem when he tried to push the original Archemperor, Gerzam, into launching a coup against Savaer, the new and current Archemperor. Kazaman also personally caused me problems, a rather new member of Unknown, by trying to have me banned from Unknown and The Dominion for being an Aeazen Combine spy. I wasn't; and frankly, unless he was the one who blew the whistle on the Aeazen Combine rigging the election under Rose, I'd be forced to conclude that he was one himself. Kazaman also actually shows up very occasionally, so maybe he could shed some light on that.

Further drama between the Commonwealth and both a former leader of TBOB (Station Man/St Mason, who had just founded Grand Central at the time), and OOC drama between a then rising star of Unknown's legions (rEVOLutionaire, known as Lyncaenia in Unknown and later LWU) and certain other members of the Commonwealth closed that working relationship for good.


I was appointed Director of the Commonwealth Intelligence Agency (CWIA) in early 2009 under the premiership of Almaric Richardson, just prior to the AC's power grab in The Commonwealth of that year. I had been aware of the AC only vaguely before this, from their involvement in great power conflicts in 2005-2006 that were distilled to me in my earliest months playing NS. Most of what I knew was that they were a griefer organisation that held no particular ideological loyalty to the invader-sphere, and that many of their members had been banned from the game in the past.

I can't remember who gave me the information (and it's sort of moot anyway since, as Dev said, so many people were noticing strange things about the new crowd of "Rose's friends"), but at some point I was tipped off about the AC's presence in the region. I immediately launched a CWIA investigation into the extent of the AC's infiltration, although those records were unfortunately lost (I didn't migrate the CWIA forums before Tapatalk's grace period ended). The primary objective of this investigation was to discover which forum members were involved with the AC, beyond the obvious core who ran for election under the same party. This investigation was in cooperation with Charles, the root admin of the forums. I was to find as many names as possible as quickly as possible, and ban them all at once in one go. The thinking at the time was that if we missed anyone important, the bans would spook them and make them act much more carefully.

It turns out that the infiltration went quite a bit farther then the regional government, though. Forgery, Aeazer's second in command and spymaster, had been granted admin powers. At one point, he revealed that someone had informed him about my investigation into the AC's infiltration (implying that he had moles in the CWIA, which I later discovered to be correct). He then banned me from The Commonwealth's forums for approximately two minutes as a show of force. Charles and I were quickly able to figure out who betrayed us. Trinity, whom Charles was e-dating at the time, had been coaxed by Forgery into begging for admin powers from Charles. After she was granted access, she simply waited for Forgery's instructions.

In retrospect, the AC had probably gotten all they wanted from the CW by that point. My infiltration of their group found that, besides trolling and griefing for their own amusement, they were primarily interested in the recruitment script that Charles had created. They wanted to establish a footing in NS in order to further political ambitions in Second Life, Cyber Nations, and RuneScape. They saw NS as a fertile recruitment ground for people who would be interested in their style of plotting, and at the time Charles' recruitment script was the talk of many circles in the game.

I'll also make a brief note about the accusation that I tried to destabilise Unknown by supporting a coup. I've been on good terms with both Savaer and Gerzam for as long as I've known them. Indeed I worked with both of them when Station Man was trying to cause problems in Unknown. I used the resources of the CWIA to infiltrate Grand Central and weaken its presence in the game. After the full collapse of the Commonwealth, I and a few others (Asiantic/Aurora, Earth-22, rEVOlutionaires) spent more time in Unknown itself. I served as an officer in their forces, and Savaer would later appoint me as Director of Unknown's intelligence agency.

At one point, the Commonwealth chose to invade Iran. The region had specifically pissed us off; I think it was because they'd been causing trouble in one of the newer Commonwealth regions (I suspect The Archipelago of Seychelles, but I'm not really sure). We went in cleanly, we took the place outright and held it for as long as we wanted; but my buddy Steph Hate who was the point man made one mistake. Seems like a non mistake these days; wasn't at the time. He put in the WFE that the Commonwealth was "liberating" Iran.

This is a problem, because back then, there were some interesting people in the establishment of the raiding world. Here's a screenshot of how one of them reacted.



It's worth noting that back in the day, the majority of raiders bought into this kind of stuff. When Sedge and CrazyGirl were first made moderators, for example, it was an enormous shock- these were two of the most important figures of the FRA suddenly potentially getting full access to our IP addresses on the game forum, and a lot of people up top freaked out. Standing orders in Unknown, for example, were to no longer touch these forums without a proxy.

So suddenly, most raiders are no longer working with us. Lone Wolves United was still a "member region" of the Commonwealth, but Evil Wolf wasn't recruiting for it or anything. I don't recall us ever working with The Black Hawks on anything, you've just seen the reaction of whatever passed for the existence of DEN, and I already covered Unknown in more detail.


I ran point in the operation in Iran, using the puppet Ants Exsist, which I've just revived today. Steph Hate, then the Commander-in-Chief of the CWAF (I was Deputy CiC), was the trigger.

Iran had been antagonising my region in the CW, the Holy Imperium of Nabban. From what I remember, they were sending recruitment telegrams to nations in Nabban, and moving puppets into Nabban to post aggressive messages on the RMB. There were some people who wanted to emphasise that to justify the raid, but I didn't feel the need to do so. It had turned out that the native delegate of Iran at the time, Ayatollah Khomeini, was seen as a despot by a significant number of the other natives. I'd discovered this while looking into where the RMB posts and telegrams were coming from. I decided that it was best to bill this raid as a liberation of Iran from its despotic native leader. All of this is documented both in saved MSN logs and telegrams with Iranian natives, some of which I will share below.



I have always primarily been involved in raiding regions, but I have never myself been an ideological raider. I was cutting my teeth with defender tactics and ideas in 2009, and although this did rankle some allies, few ever doubted that I was loyal to the raider organisations that I worked with. I was certainly no friend of most of the FRA member regions, although I had (and maintain to this day) a lot of respect for XKI, and I don't think anyone can rightly speak against Texas or Wysteria. Worth noting that this was before the days of the DEN revival, the TBR Predator scandal, and the foundation of the UDL (and all the faction-changing drama associated with several users at that time). They were ideological times, but a bit less so than what was to come in the near future.

Anyway, ideological they were, and many raiders reacted in a completely unhinged manner to my inclusion of "liberation" in the WFE of Iran. The game had just recently introduced liberation resolutions to the Security Council, and many raider organisations were still angry about the liberation of Feudal Japan, which I had also participated in due to my military roles in the CW and Europeia.

Dev himself took my WFE to be deliberate sabotage, and started to suspect that I was a defender plant. Several months later, after I had become Commander-in-Chief of the CWAF (and concurrently served as Grand Admiral in Europeia), Dev wrote a post on a defunct CWIA forum which I had been given admin access to and which Dev had kept an account from his prior service as an agent under the directorship of Caninope. The post alleged that I was Avenging Angels, a prominent defender player from The Exodus (see below for the screenshot of Dev's post).



Needless to say, this was a ridiculous accusation that convinced absolutely nobody. It also, a bit ironically, falls right in line with the sorts of conspiracies that partisan raiders were spreading about the CW at the time. My memory of the diplomatic scene with Unknown at that point is a bit hazy, but I believe the true reason for distancing ourselves was due to Savaer's resignation as Archemperor and a cooling of relations with his successor (who may have been Earth-22, but again my memory is a bit hazy).

All this having been said, I don't harbour any ill feelings about this post from Dev or from any of our interactions back in the day. I sincerely hope that he doesn't harbour any ill feelings toward me, either. I remember that despite our differences we did often get along. Replying to this post has been quite a lot of fun, and was a great excuse to take a deep dive into my NS gameplay archives. By the way, I still have the gigantic PM archive from the CW's forums!
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Postby Nepleslia » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:15 am

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Refuge Isle wrote:Condemnations and commendations are kind of like lifetime achievement awards. The Security Council isn't going to pass one for a nation that was founded 16 days ago. :blush:

Actually, it’s the alt account of a nation founded months ago, but was deleted by moderation.
Pigeonstan has a personal vendetta against this nation, and this C/C is part of a long standing grudge.


Apologies if this is too recent/minor/personal to fall within the scope of this thread, but what “personal grudge” between New Ihese and Pigeonstan was Comfed referring to in the quote above - and what caused/continued it?
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:15 pm

@Kaz I'm surprised to discover I was ever actually allowed into the CWIA beyond one of the more-outer forums on ns-cw.com itself that was mostly used for spam, but the first post looks familiar enough to me to make me think I wrote it- the clincher is the fact that it was written from the perspective of someone who felt the Commonwealth was "raider through and through".

If I also wrote the second one, yikes, I apologise.

I did not remember (or perhaps know at all) that Forgery had ever managed to get outright admin access to the forums while Rose was leading. I'm surprised he didn't use it more aggressively, as he wasn't particularly shy about damaging forums. If they managed to get the recruitment script, they failed to put it to any use, as even in 2010 they just had Saudi Burma doing manual recruitment for their public front.

I am fairly certain about the OOC drama regarding rEVO being the core reason why Unknown and the Commonwealth stayed away- it was generally agreed that it'd be a good idea for the two parties to avoid each other, and so they did, excepting me because I was dumb and liked to poke that kind of hornets nest because I had to know everything and have an opinion on it.

I know very little about drama between Grand Central specifically and Unknown, other than the fact that Unknown's leadership was not particularly enthusiastic about getting involved in the GC/CW stuff. The refoundation of Unknown itself had of course caused a schism when Saint Mason/Station Man wanted to continue TBOB independently, but at some point they had come to a gentlemen's agreement to leave each other alone.

Can't be bothered to be mad at you anymore. Certainly not on things where my memory is failing. Neither of us were AC, in the end, and everything beyond that was misunderstanding. If there was a defender plant, in the end... my money is on rEVO. But we'll never hear anything from the FRA files about that.

I also have the PM archive on an old external hard drive somewhere. I do not like opening it due to the previously stated content, and given that it is a 10MB+ .txt file, neither does my computer.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:17 pm

Incidentally, when did Tapatalk ACPs become... functional? I went digging into Unknown's forum to check something for this, and I had to open the ACP to remove the password off something (because I obviously can't remember that). It's phpbb back there now. Whack.

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Postby Praeceps » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:09 pm

Nepleslia wrote:
Comfed wrote:Actually, it’s the alt account of a nation founded months ago, but was deleted by moderation.
Pigeonstan has a personal vendetta against this nation, and this C/C is part of a long standing grudge.


Apologies if this is too recent/minor/personal to fall within the scope of this thread, but what “personal grudge” between New Ihese and Pigeonstan was Comfed referring to in the quote above - and what caused/continued it?

I believe the incident was caused when Ihese was in charge of hosting the North Pacific Vision (a song contest) and Pigeon tried to use another nation to give himself more points. Eventually, it escalated culminating in moderator action—Ihese was upset that there was no legal method to get Pigeonstan out of the region and said things he should not have said—and an ongoing Court case against Ihese (personally, I imagine the Court case will fail).

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:53 pm

Praeceps wrote:
Nepleslia wrote:
Apologies if this is too recent/minor/personal to fall within the scope of this thread, but what “personal grudge” between New Ihese and Pigeonstan was Comfed referring to in the quote above - and what caused/continued it?

I believe the incident was caused when Ihese was in charge of hosting the North Pacific Vision (a song contest) and Pigeon tried to use another nation to give himself more points. Eventually, it escalated culminating in moderator action—Ihese was upset that there was no legal method to get Pigeonstan out of the region and said things he should not have said—and an ongoing Court case against Ihese (personally, I imagine the Court case will fail).

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*yawn*

Court cases are so boring.

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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:31 am

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Praeceps wrote:I believe the incident was caused when Ihese was in charge of hosting the North Pacific Vision (a song contest) and Pigeon tried to use another nation to give himself more points. Eventually, it escalated culminating in moderator action—Ihese was upset that there was no legal method to get Pigeonstan out of the region and said things he should not have said—and an ongoing Court case against Ihese (personally, I imagine the Court case will fail).

waits for Pigeonstan to take him to Court for fraud

*yawn*

Court cases are so boring.

I dunno... you haven’t seen the drama llama stuff that happens in TNP.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:52 am

Comfed wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:*yawn*

Court cases are so boring.

I dunno... you haven’t seen the drama llama stuff that happens in TNP.

I dunno, I'd have booted them out of the region instantly. Problem solved.

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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:30 am

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Comfed wrote:I dunno... you haven’t seen the drama llama stuff that happens in TNP.

I dunno, I'd have booted them out of the region instantly. Problem solved.

I’m not sure if that means Pacific residents are lucky or unlucky...

But back on topic :p

How did the Osiris Fraternal order come to power?

How did the confederated East Pacific form? I heard it’s founder recently refounded.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:06 pm

Comfed wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:I dunno, I'd have booted them out of the region instantly. Problem solved.

I’m not sure if that means Pacific residents are lucky or unlucky...

But back on topic :p

How did the Osiris Fraternal order come to power?

How did the confederated East Pacific form? I heard it’s founder recently refounded.


I think Koth's summary of the formation of OFO is a very good start to explaining this:
https://rejectedrealms.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=10030700

As for TEP, the founder of the Confederacy was 1 Infinite Loop - this is the convoluted story of how TEP ended up in Loop's hands:
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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:22 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Comfed wrote:I’m not sure if that means Pacific residents are lucky or unlucky...

But back on topic :p

How did the Osiris Fraternal order come to power?

How did the confederated East Pacific form? I heard it’s founder recently refounded.


I think Koth's summary of the formation of OFO is a very good start to explaining this:
https://rejectedrealms.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=10030700

As for TEP, the founder of the Confederacy was 1 Infinite Loop - this is the convoluted story of how TEP ended up in Loop's hands:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=447629

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Postby The Reformation of Qing Dynasty » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:19 pm

I was wondering if raiding is fairly new or if it's been around since the beginning of Nationstates? Also, why did it start? It's weird to think that people just decided to travel to other regions and completely alter and destroy them for no apparent reason? It's not like they get a prize from the mods or anything...

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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:35 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I was wondering if raiding is fairly new or if it's been around since the beginning of Nationstates? Also, why did it start? It's weird to think that people just decided to travel to other regions and completely alter and destroy them for no apparent reason? It's not like they get a prize from the mods or anything...

Invading has been a thing since 2003, so it is not a new development. As to how it started, some people figured you could take a region’s delegacy to mess with the region, and groups like the Farkers sprung up to do just that, alongside groups such as Atlantic Alliance, one of the first empire-builders (if I recall). Since then it’s been done by lots of groups for lots of reasons, from raiding for the sake of it to invading for political purposes.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:43 pm

The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I was wondering if raiding is fairly new or if it's been around since the beginning of Nationstates? Also, why did it start? It's weird to think that people just decided to travel to other regions and completely alter and destroy them for no apparent reason? It's not like they get a prize from the mods or anything...

It's been around for almost as long as NationStates has been around. The Rejected Realms Army has been around since 2003 and it was initially a raider military (although only for the briefest of moments). Though at first it was not sanctioned by site moderation. Players invented the idea and at first it got really nasty, being prone to griefing and such. It caused a lot of trouble and the moderators did their best to get involved and reduce that. However it was a tedious process that simply took too much of their time. Rules were put in place to both make their jobs easier and lay down some guidelines for raiders to follow. As time went on those rules were refined and R/D (raiding & defending) evolved. The early days of R/D were wild and nearly lawless. These days it is drastically tame by comparison. Especially since regional founders weren't a thing when this all started. This is a very summarized answer to your question but I believe it is sufficient.
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:56 am

A Bloodred Moon wrote:
The Reformation of Qing Dynasty wrote:I was wondering if raiding is fairly new or if it's been around since the beginning of Nationstates? Also, why did it start? It's weird to think that people just decided to travel to other regions and completely alter and destroy them for no apparent reason? It's not like they get a prize from the mods or anything...

Invading has been a thing since 2003, so it is not a new development. As to how it started, some people figured you could take a region’s delegacy to mess with the region, and groups like the Farkers sprung up to do just that, alongside groups such as Atlantic Alliance, one of the first empire-builders (if I recall). Since then it’s been done by lots of groups for lots of reasons, from raiding for the sake of it to invading for political purposes.


Just to add to this, Evil and Driftwood Gang were two of the earliest 'invader' groups that were spotted.

The Bruce wrote:Evil (the original region, not the more recently created regions by that name) was probably the earliest invader group, very early in 2003. They knocked over the delegates of four small regions and then quickly lapsed into inactivity. Then came the Driftwood Gang and soon afterwards the Farkers. 100 Nations of Conquest were also around during this time, but their biggest impact in the raider community was as posers; pretending to be responsible for Farker raids (because nobody else took the blame) and reaped a lot of griefing from Farker victim regions because of it. As invaders the 100 Nations of Conquest actually did very little.


Farkers from Fark.com joined NationStates at the beginning of January 2003, so Evil/Driftwood and others must have been active at the beginning of the new year (if not before). Invading became more destructive when ejection tools were available in April 2003.

There was of course also a major political war (communists versus fascists, essentially) that occurred between December 2002 and January 2003 called the Nazi War, "The First NS World War", or the USSR-Nazi War. And I think this is important to raise this because the concept of invading evolved from an older political struggle between the left and the right in NS. Invaders like Farkers, Evil & Driftwood, however, are much more analogous to today's invader dynamic than the Nazi War.

RedCommunist wrote:The first NS World War was the USSR-Nazi war. Little info now is that it involved little under 300 UN nations, maybe reaching 500 nations if you count non-UN. Many regions were involved, the major ones are: USSR, Ireland, Germany, Axis, The Motherland, Poland, and a large part of the forces from AntiCapitalist Alliance unofficially. There were about 10 other smaller regions in the war as well. I will post that info later. I have been meaning to do a whole report for NS on the First NS World War.


https://nationstates.ermarian.net/jolt/1223/275181

"Trolled, raided, occupied. This region has been safe since they made the founder option. The only time this region has ever fallen was during the first NS world war, the region traded hands several times during the course of two weeks in December 2002 to January 2003. We finally won, obviously, and the Red Army marched and occupied Germany. Germany was occupied by the USSR for nearly a year after that." [https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=702996]

"Allied States of EuroIslanders, although small, has been one of the founders of major political alliances and movements with the USSR in NS history as well as one that came to our rescue when we were invaded in the First NS World War." [https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=6696116]
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Postby Travislavania » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:34 am

Unibot III wrote:Original thread by Goobergunchia.

Cromarty wrote:Someone needs to write NS History the hell down. >.>


The problem with writing NationStates history down is that there's an awful lot of it. Complicating the problem for new players, many of the primary sources (the old forums, many old offsite forums) have disappeared and many of the others are disorganized enough that it's hard to figure out what's going on without a guide. So I thought a good way to educate newer players (and I use that term very broadly—there's some history that I'd like to know more about) would be a Q&A thread. Basically, ask your questions about NationStates history and hopefully somebody that was around for whatever you asked about will tell you what happened! Or disagree with somebody else's answer—most of the more interesting events have at least two sides to them.

My personal specialty is the Alliance Defense Network and related global events (including the rise of the New Pacific Order) from late 2003 to late 2005, although I'm sure that the NPO types may disagree with my interpretation of some of those events. :)

Without further ado, bring on the questions! 8)

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Travislavania wrote:who was the first nations

Well if I'm not mistaken, the very first nation ever was Maxtopia, which belonged to Max Barry. However, he let it CTE because he kept getting a ton of TGs from people or something like that. Aside from that, I'm unsure.
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How long has the "war" (if you can call it that honestly) between ideological raiders been going on? Like with Antifa or JoJ and stuff
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Dominioan wrote:How long has the "war" (if you can call it that honestly) between ideological raiders been going on? Like with Antifa or JoJ and stuff

Not sure an exact start date, but it's got to be nearly as old as the site itself even if formalized organizations based around it are comparatively new.
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Dominioan wrote:How long has the "war" (if you can call it that honestly) between ideological raiders been going on? Like with Antifa or JoJ and stuff


Scroll up three posts and you'll find your answer - December 2002 is the earliest we know of
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What is known about the true identity of Yauna, the erstwhile founder of Greece, who resurrected at such a time to tilt the balance in favour of Persians in the Greco-Persian struggle to control Greece ?

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Reploid Productions wrote:
Dominioan wrote:How long has the "war" (if you can call it that honestly) between ideological raiders been going on? Like with Antifa or JoJ and stuff

Not sure an exact start date, but it's got to be nearly as old as the site itself even if formalized organizations based around it are comparatively new.


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When and how did discord become widespread among regions?
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Comfed wrote:When and how did discord become widespread among regions?


I think summer of 2016 was when it started to hit critical mass, though there were certainly regions who started using it far earlier.

Discord is fairly unique in getting adoption pretty much across the entire game (previously IRC competed with AIM, MSN Messenger, Skype) which has had had huge implications in how the game itself is played.

EDIT: Did some more digging, and looks like a lot of forerunner regions started adopting Discord in January 2016 (Kingdom of Alexandra, Albion, The South Pacific) though I assume there was probably a transition period. It was around winter of 2017 when people like me started b*tching about the impact Discord was having on the game, so January 2016 - January 2017 was probably the wide interval adoption timeline.
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A random question: does anyone have records of feeder happenings or UN endorsement levels from January 2004, particularly the period from January 6th to January 10th? It would be much appreciated if someone could help me nail down which pacific region this nation was founded in, prior to moving to Eurasia. :bow:

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