Balkanisation of the United States 「Yes or No?」

[Zordila]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

The point is, it's not there anymore. So deal with it.

[West Leas Oros 2]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

You can't erase ink quills. The 18th amendment is still in, even though it was repealed.

[Genivaria]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

.....there isn't.
You need to fucking read what's put in front of you man.

[Kiu Ghesik]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

[Empirical Switzerland]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

Show us what you are reffering to. Where does it say slavery is allowed?!

[La Xinga]

No, it's saying criminals may have to do community service, but no other enforced labour may exist. INCLUDING slavery.

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

Ok, so if a country has something horrible and disgusting in their constitution, and it has been repealed and does not effect anyone although is still there, it should be entirely abolished?

[Neanderthaland]

I for one welcome our CCP overlords.

[Genivaria]

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

You can't erase ink quills. The 18th amendment is still in, even though it was repealed.

Wait, he's complaining about the fucking INK still being there?
C'mon man!

[The Nover Thura]

So why is there slavery in it? Shouldn't it be removed if it gone now?

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Reform, while likely slower, seems less likely to end up bloody or tyrannical.

[Hardscrabbel]

If your criteria is NOT having a history of bloodshed and racism than I've got some bad news for you about World History.

NTM what he's implying is basically "let's put a one-second gap between the US and some new nation that's functionally the US so we can go 'nuh-uh, that never happened in this nation!'"

Let’s do that, it would make me feel so much better about my “new” country that has never done anything wrong.

[Grinning Dragon]

NO!

[The Nover Thura]

I for one welcome our CCP overlords.

CCP?

[Empirical Switzerland]

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

Tell me a country from at least 200 years ago that wasn't founded by racists?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Nah.

[Genivaria]

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

This is stupid dude, wtf would be the point?
It's still the same history, same land, same people, same dark history.

Thinking that changing the name of the country somehow erases it's dark past is childish and stupid.

[Linkers Sha]

I for one welcome our CCP overlords.

CCP?

The chinese communist party or CCP if you want to say it shortened

[The Nover Thura]

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

Tell me a country from at least 200 years ago that wasn't founded by racists?

Liberia?

[Bombadil]

I don't necessarily see it as a bad idea, call it the Great Renewal Project, whereby the history of the founding, the wiping out of first natives, the slavery, the inequality, is symbolically renounced and a new Constitution, not greatly different, is created and set as the new foundation of a new America.

I don't particularly see it as necessary but I also don't see it as a bad idea.

[Hardscrabbel]

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

Ok... so let’s pretend that everything before Abraham Lincoln was considered “The Old United States of America” and after the Civil war when the union won our official new country was recreated as “The United States of ‘Merica” with Abraham Lincoln as our founding father

[Kiu Ghesik]

It is removed. The lines were preserved for posterity, the amendments supersede the text in the Constitution's function.

Okay. But what about the founding fathers. They were racist and owned slaves. They did horrible things and people worship them. Would it be better is if America was made new with founders that are not racist?

It wouldn't functionally change anything. Besides, every leader from Abraham to the Prophet Mohammed to Charlemagne to the Qing Emperor had slaves. The Founding Fathers' other accomplishments far outweigh being racist and owning slaves when literally every upper-class white dude and their mother did those things in their time.

Not to mention, not all of them owned slaves. Some of them just traded slaves. And a good number had no connection to the trade at all.

[Vaspelia]

ethnic-based racism > melanin-based racism
this wouldn't happended if the us wasn't made by germanics. I tell ya'.

[Genivaria]

Tell me a country from at least 200 years ago that wasn't founded by racists?

Liberia?

PFFFFFTTTTTHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No.

The Americo-Liberian settlers did not relate well to the indigenous peoples they encountered, especially those in communities of the more isolated "bush". The colonial settlements were raided by the Kru and Grebo from their inland chiefdoms. Americo-Liberians developed as a small elite that held on to political power,[8] and indigenous tribesmen were excluded from birthright citizenship in their own land until 1904, in an echo of the United States' treatment of Native Americans.[9] Americo-Liberians promoted religious organizations to set up missions and schools to educate the indigenous peoples.[10]

Wow this sounds fucking familiar.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Tell me a country from at least 200 years ago that wasn't founded by racists?

Liberia?

Oops. Sorry. 171 years old.

[Hardscrabbel]

Tell me a country from at least 200 years ago that wasn't founded by racists?

Liberia?

That one WAS founded by racists who wanted to find a different place than America to send freed black people