Fl. Gov. Propose law to legalize running over BLM protesters

[New Visayan Islands]

Yes, it is threatening as the videos below show.

These protesters sound so nice with their 'F-bombs.' Their mommies and daddies must be so proud of them. What happened to words like 'please'? How would you feel if I stood in your face and shouted F-bombs at you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJWL-Opcg0

This driver is honking and the protesters seem to be deliberately ignoring him. Also, using F-bombs which is threatening language. The protester is mocking the driver. I feel no sympathy for these folks in the road:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EagHh0fUX3o

In the case below, the man's car was kicked by a protester. Clearly he had reason to feel threatened but luckily escaped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTQ-uZUdn80

Bitch, "Fuck you" is just how we greet each other in the neighborhood I work in. I've had that yelled at me for the stupidest reasons at least once a week since I started, often with things being thrown at me. Am I justified in shooting everyone who says they'll catch me outside or meet me on my way home? That's *actual* threats.

Take a *** warning for flaming. ***

Republicans just want to make it legal to kill people who disagree with them.

Take a *** warning for trolling. ***

[WayNeacTia]

Bitch, "Fuck you" is just how we greet each other in the neighborhood I work in. I've had that yelled at me for the stupidest reasons at least once a week since I started, often with things being thrown at me. Am I justified in shooting everyone who says they'll catch me outside or meet me on my way home? That's *actual* threats.

Take a *** warning for flaming. ***

Somehow, I think there was a quotation mark put in the wrong place here. Doesn't really strike me as an intent to flame.

[New Visayan Islands]

Take a *** warning for flaming. ***

Somehow, I think there was a quotation mark put in the wrong place here. Doesn't really strike me as an intent to flame.

There are respectful ways to address someone. Calling them a bitch is not one of them.

Thanks!
NVI

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That's a claim, you don't make those very often!

How exactly does one block a road in a violent manner?



If you don't want people standing on the road you're driving on, call the police to have them removed. Isn't that a less violent solution to your problem, than violently running them over because they didn't follow your advice?

1. Easy. Try to remove people from their vehicle and or damage vehicles passing by.

1. Well I obviously don't endorse that. Providing the car comes to a stop a few metres clear of the crowd, the crowd should leave them be. Or perhaps one or two could come over and ask the motorist if they're lost.

"Nosing" into the crowd is more common. That is, advancing very slowly into a space that protesters have made for you. Going so slowly in your car might feel wrong to you, but remember there's one of you and dozens or hundreds of them who you're expecting to get out of your way. You shouldn't expect any of them to be in a hurry, and you certainly should not accelerate. You're in their space, you proceed only as fast as they will let you.

Even then, sometimes it won't go so well and you'll get surrounded. One or two people refuse to move, and you can't back out because the people behind you are just as reluctant to give way as the ones in front were, before.

Around about now you realize you've seen things like this on screen. "What the fuck was I thinking?" you think. "Why didn't I just back up and find a way around, when I still could?"

Now I would never be so stupid. "Hey, there's a crowd. They're in my way, well that's annoying. I'll stand my ground by driving into the crowd ..." but if I was drunk or something and did this stupid thing for a lark, now might be a good time to call the police.

2. Not if my safety is in danger. I'm supposed to do what exactly while the police take an average of 10 minutes to show up? Higher in some cities.

2. Well exactly. You don't want people standing on the road you're using. The only sensible and safe way to deal with that, is to call the police, and wait. Maybe sort your music collection, or eye some of the better looking antifa chicks.

You don't have the time for that? Then sorry, there's nothing you can do about the people standing on the road. Back up, find some other way around. Unless you're out on a country road, that's surely not going to cost you more than 10 minutes.

If you're too stupid to handle following instructions most six-year-olds are capable of them I'm not shedding a tear that you got ran over. Darwin award. The gene pool is better off without people who think It's a good idea to not move out of the path of a speeding car.

3. You're advocating "speeding" into a crowd now. That sounds rather criminal tbh.

[WayNeacTia]

Somehow, I think there was a quotation mark put in the wrong place here. Doesn't really strike me as an intent to flame.

There are respectful ways to address someone. Calling them a bitch is not one of them.

Thanks!
NVI

No, no. I was referring to the context of the of the statement as a whole. Would it not be whole different story if it was phrased "Bitch, Fuck you" is just how we greet each other in the neighborhood I work in? As you can see the whole context then changes.

Not trying to threadjack here, or appeal or anything like that. I am not involved. I just wanted to point out how the statement may have been misconstrued as all. Back to regularly scheduled programming.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm perfectly okay with emergency vehicles running someone over someone who is in their way.

That seems reasonable, if they have lights and sirens on, and a crowd has boxed them in.

If the vehicle is police though, I might be suspicious they don't really have an emergency to go to, and have just got themselves into a situation they can't get out of without violence. If we're talking about two cops with guns and body armour, exiting the vehicle seems like the best option.

[Purpelia]

I'm perfectly okay with emergency vehicles running someone over someone who is in their way.

That seems reasonable, if they have lights and sirens on, and a crowd has boxed them in.

If the vehicle is police though, I might be suspicious they don't really have an emergency to go to, and have just got themselves into a situation they can't get out of without violence. If we're talking about two cops with guns and body armour, exiting the vehicle seems like the best option.

Statements like this always make me do a doubletake. First I read them, than I think WTH man it's the police you are talking about. Than I remember it's the american police you are talking about.
Still isn't getting out of the car a surefire way for them to get lynched in the current climate? Especially if they did deliberately set them self up for violence as you say.

[Vassenor]

Also if driving a car over someone is already self defence why does it need to be specifically codified in law

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That seems reasonable, if they have lights and sirens on, and a crowd has boxed them in.

If the vehicle is police though, I might be suspicious they don't really have an emergency to go to, and have just got themselves into a situation they can't get out of without violence. If we're talking about two cops with guns and body armour, exiting the vehicle seems like the best option.

Statements like this always make me do a doubletake. First I read them, than I think WTH man it's the police you are talking about. Than I remember it's the american police you are talking about.
Still isn't getting out of the car a surefire way for them to get lynched in the current climate? Especially if they did deliberately set them self up for violence as you say.

I'm sure it varies from state to state. You'd have to live there to get the local (ie city) perspective.

Unless they're assigned to guard a particular building, police seem to stay out of trouble as much as possible. Just how it looks from news coverage.

[Ifreann]

All of which is beside the point, the point is that people are suspiciously dismissive of the safety of protesters in ways I don't think they are of anyone else who might be obstructing an emergency vehicle. If an emergency vehicle is allowed to injure and possibly even kill people in the course of responding to an emergency, then that principle cannot only apply when the people in question are exercising their right to protest, it must apply to everyone. Is there anyone here who will argue that an ambulance should, if it's the fastest route to an emergency, be allowed to flatten a few pedestrians who don't get out of the way fast enough? I don't want to hear excuses about how it wouldn't happen, I want people to explain to me why they believe it should be allowed to happen, if that is what they believe.

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Breonna Taylor was shot to death as she slept in bed. No one is safe where they live while that is allowed to happen.

I'm perfectly okay with emergency vehicles running someone over someone who is in their way.

Why? Is there some political principle behind this position, or are you just mad at protesters? Because as I said, if emergency vehicles are to be allowed to run people over, that must apply to everyone. They could run over a lone person who didn't clear a pedestrian crossing fast enough. Or people in a pedestrian only area.

There's an extremely simple solution to that problem It's called "move". Small children are capable of understanding that they shouldn't stand in the middle of the road. What's so wrong with these grown adults that they can't?

You're talking like protesters are all stupid, but obviously they're blocking the road on purpose.

They were both out of bed and asking who was there. Don't lie.

I have never heard anyone claim that before.

Also, her boyfriend shot one of the officers in the arm.

He shot at them, an understandable response to strangers breaking into one's house, but ballistic investigation has not confirmed that it was Kenneth Walker who shot Sgt. Mattingly in the thigh. Both Walker and Officer Hankison were firing 9mm pistols, and the round that injured Sgt. Mattingly cannot be positively matched to either of their guns.

But how dare they shoot back!

How dare they have even been there.

They should've politely asked him to stop!

They should knocked on the door during the day and presented the residents with a warrant, not broken in unannounced in the middle of the night.

And police shootings are extremely rare, so no everyone isn't in danger.

In fact they are in danger. This could have happened to anyone. The fact that this doesn't happen to everyone doesn't mean everyone isn't in danger.

In fact, they're in many times more danger of being killed by gang violence.

And look at the response to that. Cops went from walking the beat with a revolver for emergencies to rolling around in fucking APCs with rifles and grenade launchers because there are reports that someone smoked the crime plant.

Strange how there are no "peaceful protests" when Chicago has 68 shootings in a weekend. Guess those black lives don't make a good enough narrative.

The police are under the control of the government, which is in turn under the control of the people. At least in theory, the people can collectively demand that the government order the police to change how they operate. Therefore, protests.

Criminal gangs, however, are not democratically accountable to the people. So society responds differently.

[Vassenor]

In fact, they're in many times more danger of being killed by gang violence. Strange how there are no "peaceful protests" when Chicago has 68 shootings in a weekend. Guess those black lives don't make a good enough narrative.

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!"

Everybody drink.

[The Two Jerseys]

Also if driving a car over someone is already self defence why does it need to be specifically codified in law

The same reason why it's necessary to have a law saying that gun manufacturers aren't liable for their product being misused.

[Ifreann]

Also if driving a car over someone is already self defence why does it need to be specifically codified in law

The same reason why it's necessary to have a law saying that gun manufacturers aren't liable for their product being misused.

To troll the libs?

[Celestial Provinces]

Hell Yeah! Run em’ over!

[Vassenor]

Hell Yeah! Run em’ over!

Why?

[Celestial Provinces]

Hell Yeah! Run em’ over!

Why?

Because it’s fun to run over idiots!

[Vassenor]

Why?

Because it’s fun to run over idiots!

Not wanting the police to kill black people is idiotic now. Huh.

[Celestial Provinces]

Because it’s fun to run over idiots!

Not wanting the police to kill black people is idiotic now. Huh.

The police shouldn’t kill anyone. It’s not just black people. Funny how that works.

[Vassenor]

Not wanting the police to kill black people is idiotic now. Huh.

The police shouldn’t kill anyone. It’s not just black people. Funny how that works.

Glad we agree on that. So how does that make these protesters idiots?

[Bassoe]

So how does that make these protesters idiots?

Because far from winning converts to your cause, the only thing holding mass gatherings during a highly contagious global plague during which you and your friends do billions in property damage burning down peoples' homes and places of employment actually accomplishes is to convince people to support anyone willing to stop you.

[Vassenor]

So how does that make these protesters idiots?

Because far from winning converts to your cause, the only thing holding mass gatherings during a highly contagious global plague during which you and your friends do billions in property damage burning down peoples' homes and places of employment actually accomplishes is to convince people to support anyone willing to stop you.

Hasn't the evidence shown the protests aren't causing spikes?

And we've already seen that the property damage is being done by agitators.

[Bassoe]

Hasn't the evidence shown the protests aren't causing spikes?

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

And we've already seen that the property damage is being done by agitators.

Again, citation needed.

[Vassenor]

Hasn't the evidence shown the protests aren't causing spikes?

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

And we've already seen that the property damage is being done by agitators.

Again, citation needed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#6fa8f1b37dac

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

[Bassoe]

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

Again, citation needed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#6fa8f1b37dac

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Credible sources. Forbes is PRC propaganda. And how on earth do you expect to argue that mass gathering protests aren't contagious but mass gathering employment is?

[Vassenor]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#6fa8f1b37dac

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Credible sources. Forbes is PRC propaganda. And how on earth do you expect to argue that mass gathering protests aren't contagious but mass gathering employment is?

Anything that disagrees with me is propaganda.

Everyone drink.

Especially since if you actually read the article and the paper it cites you'd have the answer to that question.