by New Ostrova » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:08 pm
by Punished UMN » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:35 pm
by Luziyca » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:04 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:09 pm
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by La Xinga » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:14 pm
by Imperialisium » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:14 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:28 pm
La xinga wrote:"Terrible" is an opinion. What some may consider terrible may be the only right way for others. What terrible views?
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by New Ostrova » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:30 pm
Luziyca wrote:I think the root of the problem may be the fact that we tend to elevate people on pedestals: think of our role models we had as children, for example. How many of those turned out to be terrible people?
Probably quite a few. Just because they may have influenced you to do some good in the world does not necessarily mean that the person in question was a decent person.
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So yeah, I don't really think that we should deify him in our history books. However, erasing him from history would not be right either, given his role in shaping history. Thus, I think we need to acknowledge both the good and the bad that he did, and I think it'd be interesting to see a discussion on whether the dead Bengalis are outweighed by the British soldiers.
by La Xinga » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:32 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:37 pm
by Imperialisium » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:40 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:In fictional content, we should probably show other people's views alongside their. If portraying Washington, probably show a few characters with slaves, and then the one guy who is an abolitionist form that one movement that as created in the 18th century. These beliefs should probably take up a few sentences at most in books or a minute at most in film. In portrayal in educational content, likely show the people that agreed and disagreed with them
by Major-Tom » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:42 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:50 pm
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by La Xinga » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:55 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:La xinga wrote:Elaborate?
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
by Imperialisium » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:04 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:La xinga wrote:Elaborate?
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
by Costa Fierro » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:06 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:22 pm
Imperialisium wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:In fictional content, we should probably show other people's views alongside their. If portraying Washington, probably show a few characters with slaves, and then the one guy who is an abolitionist form that one movement that as created in the 18th century. These beliefs should probably take up a few sentences at most in books or a minute at most in film. In portrayal in educational content, likely show the people that agreed and disagreed with them
So basically try to give a fair shake to various sides and aspects a la the great historical film: Gettysburg. Which shows both sides as Humans with various views, feelings, reasons for doing things, and ultimately the ramifications of events.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:24 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:La xinga wrote:Elaborate?
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
by Andsed » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:24 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:05 pm
La xinga wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
Washington was a dictator?
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by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:06 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
Do you think Jefferson Davis would be a slave owning racist semi-terroristic secessionist if raised today? No. At worst he'd be a transphobe, and maybe not even that.
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by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:09 pm
Imperialisium wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:
anyone pro segregation, slavery, genocide, homophobia, transphobia, mass deportation of citizens, and dictators.
please don't say not to judge people by modern standards, it only makes sense to, and it's an overused talking point for defending slave owners. wrong is wrong, regardless of time period.
Well the “judging by modern standards,” should be done in context to provide the full historical narrative. As often what error can be made is slap the “they did something we find bad today,” sticker on it then move on without detailing the who, what, when, where, why, and how...?
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by La Xinga » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:09 pm
by Necroghastia » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:10 pm
by La Xinga » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:11 pm
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