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Will the Third Debate Even Happen?

Yes
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:17 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Mitch McConnell, steward of democracy...?

Yeah, democracy is fucking doomed.

He's done well on the issue before. He can do it again.


He's a coward whose balls fell off when Trump won the election. Don't bet on it.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:17 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Biden, at least, would let us elect someone better. We need patience, and then we will save democracy.

No. No he would not. The eventual end of voting for the lesser of two evils is that you're stuck in a downward spiral. Also, there is no time to wait. "Patience" won't save us. Decisive action will. Biden will only lead us further into "corporate hellscape".

That's extremely pessimistic. Under Biden, we would have the right to make things better. So we should make sure that we have that right.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:18 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.

Social democracy and socialism are the same thing now, I guess.

It's funny, it's almost as if you can have socialist policies without going full on socialist.

It's almost as if the world is nuanced or something?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kannap wrote:
From my perspective, Democrats are conservative, just for reference.

To the rest of the world. But if you compare them to the GOP, they seem left.


Compared to the party of:

•Mexico isn't sending its best people.
•Joe Biden is gonna move Africans into Minnesota and thats a bad thing
•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11 and we'll repeat that filthy and disgraceful lie without proof forever
•*teargas sounds and yelling in Lafayette Square*

Yeah, actually.

The republicans have gone that far right.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No. No he would not. The eventual end of voting for the lesser of two evils is that you're stuck in a downward spiral. Also, there is no time to wait. "Patience" won't save us. Decisive action will. Biden will only lead us further into "corporate hellscape".

That's extremely pessimistic. Under Biden, we would have the right to make things better. So we should make sure that we have that right.


Like how we had that right under the last several presidents? Just remember how the occupy protesters were treated under Obama.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No. No he would not. The eventual end of voting for the lesser of two evils is that you're stuck in a downward spiral. Also, there is no time to wait. "Patience" won't save us. Decisive action will. Biden will only lead us further into "corporate hellscape".

That's extremely pessimistic. Under Biden, we would have the right to make things better. So we should make sure that we have that right.

That's pretty optimistic. Biden has shown himself to have about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd just cave in to "compromise" the moment someone called him a commie.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:20 pm

New haven america wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:That’s… not socialism… at all

Yes it is, actually.

All of those are socialist ideas and policies, which explains why the most of the Reps are so keen on getting rid of them.


You are unironically making the argument that George Wallace was a socialist because he supported Medicaid expansions and sought to support Social Security and Welfare.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Geneviev wrote:To the rest of the world. But if you compare them to the GOP, they seem left.


Compared to the party of:

•Mexico isn't sending its best people.
•Joe Biden is gonna move Africans into Minnesota and thats a bad thing
•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11 and we'll repeat that filthy and disgraceful lie without proof forever
•*teargas sounds and yelling in Lafayette Square*

Yeah, actually.

The republicans have gone that far right.

Exactly. That's what I meant.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's extremely pessimistic. Under Biden, we would have the right to make things better. So we should make sure that we have that right.


Like how we had that right under the last several presidents? Just remember how the occupy protesters were treated under Obama.

Better than under Trump.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:21 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's extremely pessimistic. Under Biden, we would have the right to make things better. So we should make sure that we have that right.

That's pretty optimistic. Biden has shown himself to have about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd just cave in to "compromise" the moment someone called him a commie.

No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Compared to the party of:

•Mexico isn't sending its best people.
•Joe Biden is gonna move Africans into Minnesota and thats a bad thing
•Arab Americans cheered on 9/11 and we'll repeat that filthy and disgraceful lie without proof forever
•*teargas sounds and yelling in Lafayette Square*

Yeah, actually.

The republicans have gone that far right.

Exactly. That's what I meant.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Like how we had that right under the last several presidents? Just remember how the occupy protesters were treated under Obama.

Better than under Trump.


Actual footage of the protesters being treated "better:"

https://youtu.be/aTWyCY6c9AE
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That's pretty optimistic. Biden has shown himself to have about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd just cave in to "compromise" the moment someone called him a commie.

No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.


Really? Cause thats exactly what they're calling him now.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That's pretty optimistic. Biden has shown himself to have about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd just cave in to "compromise" the moment someone called him a commie.

No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.

The GOP could. It's their strategy.
1. Call your opponent a dirty red
2. They cave in and move further right
3. Profit
4. Repeat
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:24 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.

The GOP could. It's their strategy.
1. Call your opponent a dirty red
2. They cave in and move further right
3. Profit
4. Repeat


Why wouldn't Biden compromise with them? He admitted to being friends with segregationalists and anyone expects him to stand up to republicans?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:27 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:The GOP could. It's their strategy.
1. Call your opponent a dirty red
2. They cave in and move further right
3. Profit
4. Repeat


Why wouldn't Biden compromise with them? He admitted to being friends with segregationalists and anyone expects him to stand up to republicans?

Like I said, about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd compromise with the Devil himself, probably. The only people he won't compromise with are the left.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:28 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Why wouldn't Biden compromise with them? He admitted to being friends with segregationalists and anyone expects him to stand up to republicans?

Like I said, about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd compromise with the Devil himself, probably. The only people he won't compromise with are the left.


Biden'a whole image is "I'm a great compromiser." Compromise is all good unless the people you wanna compromise with are bad faith actors, like the GOP.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:31 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.


Really? Cause thats exactly what they're calling him now.

Yes, but no one can believe it.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:33 pm

We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:34 pm

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Kexholm Karelia wrote:Sanders would be way more left wing than Biden, so we dodged a bullet there. The normalization of socialism will eventually lead to economic collapse or communism


Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

No that’s not socialism
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:35 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

No that’s not socialism


No Therm, you don't get it. Disregard all actual socialist literature. Socialism is when the government does stuff. The GOP was right all along.
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Diopolis wrote:We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?

Why are you like this?
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:41 pm

Diopolis wrote:We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?

Trump's not Kenyan, though? He's from Loompaland.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Do you even know what socialism is? Medicare, Medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, food stamps, welfare, all that is socialism.

No that’s not socialism

Those are actually socialist ideas and policies.

Socialism is a very broad set of ideas with varying levels of government and social control.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:42 pm

Geneviev wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That's pretty optimistic. Biden has shown himself to have about as much conviction as a paperclip. He'd just cave in to "compromise" the moment someone called him a commie.

No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.

The Republicans already calling him a socialist and a communist and a radical leftist. They don't care that Biden isn't anything of the sort, they know plenty of older voters are still scared of those terms.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:42 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:We live in a country where the kenyan had the military kill US citizens without trial and we're still worried about the fall of democracy?

Trump's not Kenyan, though? He's from Loompaland.

I'm referring to the use of drone strikes.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:43 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No one could possibly call him that, so there's not much danger.

The Republicans already calling him a socialist and a communist and a radical leftist. They don't care that Biden isn't anything of the sort, they know plenty of older voters are still scared of those terms.

Meanwhile, Biden's leading Trump in the double digits among older voters.
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