by Feline Goetland » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:13 pm
by Twicetagram and JYPe » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:42 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:56 pm
by Feline Goetland » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:57 pm
Twicetagram and JYPe wrote:What do you mean 'still exist'? Do you mean physically alive, spiritually alive, or something else? Because for the first one it's obvious that they're dead. If you meant spiritually alive that's a matter of faith. Since I'm a liberal Christian I can't really say anything for the Mr Ali. Even if I did try to answer for the rest my faith isn't that strong anymore.
The question you ask really depends on how religious the person is.
As for question c, all I can say is that all of them are a bit extreme in their faith, trying to survive through/do life-threatening things without any help. God can work miracles, but it's a matter of when he chooses to do it.
The question of why you would refuse medical help though is a while ' other level
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:04 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Twicetagram and JYPe wrote:What do you mean 'still exist'? Do you mean physically alive, spiritually alive, or something else? Because for the first one it's obvious that they're dead. If you meant spiritually alive that's a matter of faith. Since I'm a liberal Christian I can't really say anything for the Mr Ali. Even if I did try to answer for the rest my faith isn't that strong anymore.
The question you ask really depends on how religious the person is.
As for question c, all I can say is that all of them are a bit extreme in their faith, trying to survive through/do life-threatening things without any help. God can work miracles, but it's a matter of when he chooses to do it.
The question of why you would refuse medical help though is a while ' other level
My point is that obviously it is impossible for people who disagree on religious premises to agree on facts, let alone other stuff.
by Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:08 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Feline Goetland wrote:
My point is that obviously it is impossible for people who disagree on religious premises to agree on facts, let alone other stuff.
We can agree on facts like the color of the sky, or even political "facts" like Nixon was a crook.
You have tailored some questions deliberately to create disagreement between those who believe in the soul, and others. And then between people who believe in heaven and others. Also between believers in a loving "god" who would never punish people in the afterlife, and the ... other kind of "god".
It does not matter to me whether I can reach agreement with religious OR atheist people. The universe I live in is just the same whether there are god(s) or not. If a person is hanging other ideas like creationism or moral rules on abortion, from their religious beliefs, then they are just exercising bad method in knowing and interacting with the world. We live in the same universe but I have a clearer view of it, since I avoid as much as possible beliefs that cannot be proven or disproven.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:12 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
We can agree on facts like the color of the sky, or even political "facts" like Nixon was a crook.
You have tailored some questions deliberately to create disagreement between those who believe in the soul, and others. And then between people who believe in heaven and others. Also between believers in a loving "god" who would never punish people in the afterlife, and the ... other kind of "god".
It does not matter to me whether I can reach agreement with religious OR atheist people. The universe I live in is just the same whether there are god(s) or not. If a person is hanging other ideas like creationism or moral rules on abortion, from their religious beliefs, then they are just exercising bad method in knowing and interacting with the world. We live in the same universe but I have a clearer view of it, since I avoid as much as possible beliefs that cannot be proven or disproven.
I disagree. You just haven’t found people whose religion requires them to believe that the sky is black or Nixon was awesome. All beliefs are religion-dependent.
by Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:17 am
by The Lone Alliance » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:45 am
by Twicetagram and JYPe » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Twicetagram and JYPe wrote:What do you mean 'still exist'? Do you mean physically alive, spiritually alive, or something else? Because for the first one it's obvious that they're dead. If you meant spiritually alive that's a matter of faith. Since I'm a liberal Christian I can't really say anything for the Mr Ali. Even if I did try to answer for the rest my faith isn't that strong anymore.
The question you ask really depends on how religious the person is.
As for question c, all I can say is that all of them are a bit extreme in their faith, trying to survive through/do life-threatening things without any help. God can work miracles, but it's a matter of when he chooses to do it.
The question of why you would refuse medical help though is a while ' other level
My point is that obviously it is impossible for people who disagree on religious premises to agree on facts, let alone other stuff.
by The Alma Mater » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:15 am
by Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:37 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
We can agree on facts like the color of the sk.
Can we? When you ask people they will often say it is blue. Machines however will tell you that violet is actually the dominantly scattered colour.in the visible spectrum and thst our eyes are deceiving us due to them favouring certain colours over others. Other animals have different eyes and visible spectra and will disagree. On a cloudy day the sky is grey. At night it is black with stars.
So.. what colour is it ?
by Salandriagado » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:38 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
We can agree on facts like the color of the sk.
Can we? When you ask people they will often say it is blue. Machines however will tell you that violet is actually the dominantly scattered colour.in the visible spectrum and thst our eyes are deceiving us due to them favouring certain colours over others. Other animals have different eyes and visible spectra and will disagree. On a cloudy day the sky is grey. At night it is black with stars.
So.. what colour is it ?
by Dofstrittopia » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:55 am
Feline Goetland wrote:There are some interesting questions about reality I would like to ask you guys.
1. Pastor John Andrews handled a venomous snake, believing that he would not be harmed by the venom, was bitten by the snake, refused medical attention because he still believed that he would recover due to divine assistance and died.
Questions:
a. Does Pastor Andrews still exist?
b. If so, where is Pastor Andrews?
c. Was the action of handling a venomous snake beneficial or harmful to him? Why?
2. Mr. Ibrahim Ali joined the Sunni Islamist militant group, al-Nusra Front. He then died due to a bullet from the Syrian Army.
Questions:
a. Does Mr. Ali still exist?
b. If so, where is Mr. Ali?
c. Was Mr. Ali dying in the war against Assad regime beneficial or harmful to himself?
3. Ms. Mary Idahosa had AIDS. She believed that T.B. Joshua was a real Christian prophet, supposedly got healed by him, refused to take medicine and died due to AIDS.
Questions:
a. Does Ms. Idahosa still exist?
b. If so, where is Ms. Idahosa?
c. Was Ms.Idahosa forgoing medical treatment in favor of T.B. Joshua’s miracle healing beneficial or harmful to herself?
by Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:58 am
Dofstrittopia wrote:Feline Goetland wrote:There are some interesting questions about reality I would like to ask you guys.
1. Pastor John Andrews handled a venomous snake, believing that he would not be harmed by the venom, was bitten by the snake, refused medical attention because he still believed that he would recover due to divine assistance and died.
Questions:
a. Does Pastor Andrews still exist?
b. If so, where is Pastor Andrews?
c. Was the action of handling a venomous snake beneficial or harmful to him? Why?
2. Mr. Ibrahim Ali joined the Sunni Islamist militant group, al-Nusra Front. He then died due to a bullet from the Syrian Army.
Questions:
a. Does Mr. Ali still exist?
b. If so, where is Mr. Ali?
c. Was Mr. Ali dying in the war against Assad regime beneficial or harmful to himself?
3. Ms. Mary Idahosa had AIDS. She believed that T.B. Joshua was a real Christian prophet, supposedly got healed by him, refused to take medicine and died due to AIDS.
Questions:
a. Does Ms. Idahosa still exist?
b. If so, where is Ms. Idahosa?
c. Was Ms.Idahosa forgoing medical treatment in favor of T.B. Joshua’s miracle healing beneficial or harmful to herself?
Some of these questions are pretty good, some are meaningless. No offense.
by Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:00 am
by Tinhampton » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:05 am
by Australian rePublic » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:59 am
by The Alma Mater » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:04 am
Tinhampton wrote:Can Feline Goetland name me one actual religion that refuses to believe in the existence of forum.nationstates.net?
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:40 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Can Feline Goetland name me one actual religion that refuses to believe in the existence of forum.nationstates.net?
Does flat-earthism count as a religion ? Many of those deny Australia exists; which means that Australian products like Nationstates cannot exist either.
And yes, Australian flat-earthers exist for the ultimate irony.
by Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:11 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:Does flat-earthism count as a religion ? Many of those deny Australia exists; which means that Australian products like Nationstates cannot exist either.
And yes, Australian flat-earthers exist for the ultimate irony.
That actually makes more sense. You can walk all around the coast and confirm that the ocean horizon is unbroken.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:18 am
Purpelia wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
That actually makes more sense. You can walk all around the coast and confirm that the ocean horizon is unbroken.
Given this is Australia we are talking about I am not sure you could try that and survive the experience. I mean spiders and serpents and platupy! Oh my!
by Purpelia » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:21 am
by Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 pm
by Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 pm
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