[PASSED] Commend the Red Fleet

[Outer Sparta]

OOC: If The Red Fleet was indeed fighting against hateful ideologies, as they and this proposal claim, one would expect that they would also denounce communism, and ideology that has caused far more harm and destruction upon the human race than any other ideology except for fascism/nazism. It sounds to me like The Red Fleet uses the guise of "fighting hate ideology" as an excuse to purge political opponents from the site, hypocritically, a tactic used by the very people they claim to oppose. This resolution commends communists for successfully griefing hundreds of region, many of which were nothing more than roleplay regions.

Not only is this assembly commending raiders (nothing new here), but it is also commending people who follow an ideology just as hateful as fascism. This is a no-brainer against vote from me.

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

[JC Cavs]

Attacking your enemies and and defending your allies isn't commendable. It's expected of any military organisation.

Well some of the regions defended weren't exactly allies of the Red FLeet, more like random leftist regions targeted by Nazis I suppose. I should make that clear

I fully support this because nations defending countries that are and are not their allies against a common enemy Helps create world unity. The Red Fleet should be recognized for their efforts because it resulted in a more united world and can help achieve world peace.

[Gaen Vale Queendom]

OOC: If The Red Fleet was indeed fighting against hateful ideologies, as they and this proposal claim, one would expect that they would also denounce communism, and ideology that has caused far more harm and destruction upon the human race than any other ideology except for fascism/nazism. It sounds to me like The Red Fleet uses the guise of "fighting hate ideology" as an excuse to purge political opponents from the site, hypocritically, a tactic used by the very people they claim to oppose. This resolution commends communists for successfully griefing hundreds of region, many of which were nothing more than roleplay regions.

Not only is this assembly commending raiders (nothing new here), but it is also commending people who follow an ideology just as hateful as fascism. This is a no-brainer against vote from me.

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

Here is the definition of facism : A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

In other words, communism is the same as facism with a few economical differences since the definition of facism can apply to any communist government. In fact, the WA should just condemn both since they are agressive and oppressive military regimes that are a threat to democracy.

[Sodoran Alesia]

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

Here is the definition of facism : A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

In other words, communism is the same as facism with a few economical differences since the definition of facism can apply to any communist government. In fact, the WA should just condemn both since they are agressive and oppressive military regimes that are a threat to democracy.

lol, it's clear you don't know what communism actually is or have actually explored it beyond the typical American education that makes out communism as some great evil. Not only that, but TRF isn't communist, it's Pan-Leftist, like there's anarchists as well too lol

Also, it seems you don't understand what condemnations are actually for, they're for regions or nations who play the villain well. I am perplexed though, how is TRF a threat to democracy on a trivial internet game lol

[Gaen Vale Queendom]

Here is the definition of facism : A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

In other words, communism is the same as facism with a few economical differences since the definition of facism can apply to any communist government. In fact, the WA should just condemn both since they are agressive and oppressive military regimes that are a threat to democracy.

lol, it's clear you don't know what communism actually is or have actually explored it beyond the typical American education that makes out communism as some great evil. Not only that, but TRF isn't communist, it's Pan-Leftist, like there's anarchists as well too lol

Also, it seems you don't understand what condemnations are actually for, they're for regions or nations who play the villain well. I am perplexed though, how is TRF a threat to democracy on a trivial internet game lol

I'm not american otherwise I would be calling it socialism since they don't know the difference between the two. But yeah, communism is pretty bad. Let's look at communist countries : You got the USSR that commited the holodomor, you got China's Great Leap Forward that killed tens of millions and many mass killings, political assasinations and repression from all communist nations. Sure, the concept of perfect equality sounds a lot nicer than facism, but when put in action, they are very similar.

I said that TRF is a threat to democracy because I was roleplaying. Roleplaying is litteraly the reason the WA exists.

[Calibert]

Against, by this resolution's logic we have to commend every raider region.

[Makdon]

Against, by this resolution's logic we have to commend every raider region.

What you’re saying makes literally no sense. How does the extrapolation of the logic in this proposal make every raider group commendable? Also, please recall that TRF was commended for years, and that didn’t magically completely change SC standards

[Outer Sparta]

lol, it's clear you don't know what communism actually is or have actually explored it beyond the typical American education that makes out communism as some great evil. Not only that, but TRF isn't communist, it's Pan-Leftist, like there's anarchists as well too lol

Also, it seems you don't understand what condemnations are actually for, they're for regions or nations who play the villain well. I am perplexed though, how is TRF a threat to democracy on a trivial internet game lol

I'm not american otherwise I would be calling it socialism since they don't know the difference between the two. But yeah, communism is pretty bad. Let's look at communist countries : You got the USSR that commited the holodomor, you got China's Great Leap Forward that killed tens of millions and many mass killings, political assasinations and repression from all communist nations. Sure, the concept of perfect equality sounds a lot nicer than facism, but when put in action, they are very similar.

I said that TRF is a threat to democracy because I was roleplaying. Roleplaying is litteraly the reason the WA exists.

So you don't think that TRF should be commended just because they're communist? Is that your logic there?

[Honeydewistania]

Against, by this resolution's logic we have to commend every raider region.

If you’re going to make a slippery slope argument, at least make one that is based on common sense

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: If The Red Fleet was indeed fighting against hateful ideologies, as they and this proposal claim, one would expect that they would also denounce communism, and ideology that has caused far more harm and destruction upon the human race than any other ideology except for fascism/nazism. It sounds to me like The Red Fleet uses the guise of "fighting hate ideology" as an excuse to purge political opponents from the site, hypocritically, a tactic used by the very people they claim to oppose. This resolution commends communists for successfully griefing hundreds of region, many of which were nothing more than roleplay regions.

Not only is this assembly commending raiders (nothing new here), but it is also commending people who follow an ideology just as hateful as fascism. This is a no-brainer against vote from me.

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

[Refuge Isle]

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

That's some pretty yikes stuff. Most of NS is united behind the idea that fash shouldn't be given a platform, including through regions in this game. Fash bashes are basically the most uncontroversial raids that exist, as is recognising people who put in the time to make sure their lives are difficult.

Politics are great when you're talking about what taxes should be applied where, not when you're discussing what people get to be people.

[Silver Commonwealth]

Already voted in support with my WA nation.

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

That's some pretty yikes stuff. Most of NS is united behind the idea that fash shouldn't be given a platform, including through regions in this game. Fash bashes are basically the most uncontroversial raids that exist, as is recognising people who put in the time to make sure their lives are difficult.

Politics are great when you're talking about what taxes should be applied where, not when you're discussing what people get to be people.

Seconded.

[Outer Sparta]

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

Frankly them raiding fascist regions and getting them out is a good thing. Well it is a good thing unless you happen to be from those fascist regions.

[Honeydewistania]

Would you do the reverse and commend fascist regions that raid communist ones?

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

The most shocking part of this is that I’m not surprised at all that you’re making this statement.

[Outer Sparta]

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

The most shocking part of this is that I’m not surprised at all that you’re making this statement.

Fascist regions will agree with that statement.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: I personally believe that no raider should be Commended in the first place. The Condemn button exists for a reason. Innocent communist regions have just as much right to exist as do fascist regions or regions of neither ideology.

That's some pretty yikes stuff. Most of NS is united behind the idea that fash shouldn't be given a platform, including through regions in this game. Fash bashes are basically the most uncontroversial raids that exist, as is recognising people who put in the time to make sure their lives are difficult.

Politics are great when you're talking about what taxes should be applied where, not when you're discussing what people get to be people.

OOC: Funnily enough, the communists also dehumanise the dehumanisers, which makes them no different at all.

The most shocking part of this is that I’m not surprised at all that you’re making this statement.

Fascist regions will agree with that statement.

Fascist regions will agree that [insert basic human function] is necessary, therefore, it must be banned.

[Outer Sparta]

That's some pretty yikes stuff. Most of NS is united behind the idea that fash shouldn't be given a platform, including through regions in this game. Fash bashes are basically the most uncontroversial raids that exist, as is recognising people who put in the time to make sure their lives are difficult.

Politics are great when you're talking about what taxes should be applied where, not when you're discussing what people get to be people.

OOC: Funnily enough, the communists also dehumanise the dehumanisers, which makes them no different at all.

Fascist regions will agree with that statement.

Fascist regions will agree that [insert basic human function] is necessary, therefore, it must be banned.

No they'll agree with you on that sentiment that regions that raid fascist regions should not get commended, even if they're not communist.

[Secteria]

I am disgusted that we are commending a bunch of communists just because they RAID fascists.

Communists are just as bad as fascists, and raiding is terrible. We might as well commend The Black Hawks while we're at it

[Sanghyeok]

Communists are just as bad as fascists, and raiding is terrible. We might as well commend The Black Hawks while we're at it

Please stop making the comparison that "x" is bad as fascism. Fascism, outside of literal slavery, is the worst possible government system.

[Sodoran Alesia]

I am disgusted that we are commending a bunch of communists just because they RAID fascists.

What's with the emphasis on raid? Fascism is a racist, hateful ideology, de-platforming it on NS sounds like a pretty good thing to me. You got any better suggestions other than freeze peach or something just as nonsensical?

Communists are just as bad as fascists, and raiding is terrible. We might as well commend The Black Hawks while we're at it

How are communists just as bad as fascists? Raiding in IC is considered bad yes, but raiding fash pushes them down and stops them from building a platform. Again, just what do you want us to do then? Let fascism fester? Also, no one said anything about commending The Black Hawks, maybe try to stay on topic and read the context of the proposal?

[Outer Sparta]

I am disgusted that we are commending a bunch of communists just because they RAID fascists.

Communists are just as bad as fascists, and raiding is terrible. We might as well commend The Black Hawks while we're at it

Why go and make it sound like that raiding fascist regions is a bad thing? If TRF weren't communist, you probably still won't want to commend them.

[SherpDaWerp]

The Security Council resolution Commend The Red Fleet was passed 11,237 votes to 2,667.

[Caelapes]

Glad to see that, despite my retirement as Secretary-General, the World Assembly is still firmly in the grasp of Communists.

Workers and oppressed people of all NationStates, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

[Sanghyeok]

Glad to see that, despite my retirement as Secretary-General, the World Assembly is still firmly in the grasp of Communists.

Workers and oppressed people of all NationStates, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

The Internationale/Shall be realized.

[Honeydewistania]

Glad to see that, despite my retirement as Secretary-General, the World Assembly is still firmly in the grasp of Communists.

Workers and oppressed people of all NationStates, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Pax ignescens, death to fascism!

Anyways seeing this passed by a higher margin than the original despite the repeal is quite the icing on the cake. Everyone loves TRF!