In “Treacherous Stab”, Bahrain Normalises Tie With Israel

[Kowani]

Case example, me. I cam get away with anti-Zionism because I don't think nations should exist at all.
But most people think I'm a wacko.

Sure, but then you are not really anti Zionist specifically. You oppose the existence of nation states in general, but not the future establishment of a Jewish one in the Levant in particular (which again is silly to really specifically support or oppose, now that it is already done).

The issue is most people who claim to oppose Zionism support the establishment of another nation in the place of Israel.
Support other nations existing.

Well now that’s just silly.

You are an outlier. You can get away with it because your outside the box (maybe outside the realm of sanity) ideology and views, but most others do not have that benefit.

Ouch. I’m hurt.

[Atheris]

Interesting. I won't say I'm not surprised.

Here's hoping more Arab states begin to follow suit and pressure begins to build on both parties to make peace.

[SD_Film Artists]

Interesting. I won't say I'm not surprised.

Here's hoping more Arab states begin to follow suit and pressure begins to build on both parties to make peace.

Yes, then Palestine will look like the relatively small land dispute that it is rather than pretending that it speaks for the whole of the arab world.

[Insaanistan]

Interesting. I won't say I'm not surprised.

Here's hoping more Arab states begin to follow suit and pressure begins to build on both parties to make peace.

Yes, then Palestine will look like the relatively small land dispute that it is rather than pretending that it speaks for the whole of the arab world.

Sigh You aren’t Arab or Muslim, so I understand why Filasteen isn’t something big to you.

[Genivaria]

Yes, then Palestine will look like the relatively small land dispute that it is rather than pretending that it speaks for the whole of the arab world.

Sigh You aren’t Arab or Muslim, so I understand why Filasteen isn’t something big to you.

No no, they actually have a point.
It's a matter between Israel and Palestine, other Arab nations only start with the solidarity rhetoric as propaganda and rarely actually do anything to support Palestine.

[Northern Davincia]

The Ottoman Empire comes to mind.

I didn’t know you meant that. Ottomans are known for generally treating minorities well. When they tried to abolish the Janissaries one time, the Janissaries and their families revolted. I don’t like the system, but there’s a reason many historians have trouble call it slavery. Yes, they were tragically kidnapped or forced into service and forcibly converted to Islam. However, they were paid handsomely. They could marry into noble families and have children. They had power and were respected. A significant amount of non-Muslim parents actually liked the system and wanted their children in it, though most simply accepted or hated it (and rightly so!).

This is literal apologia for slavery, and it's the kind of sentiment that forces me to side with Zionists rather than subject Jews to non-Jewish governance.

[Novus America]

Yes, then Palestine will look like the relatively small land dispute that it is rather than pretending that it speaks for the whole of the arab world.

Sigh You aren’t Arab or Muslim, so I understand why Filasteen isn’t something big to you.

I mean realistically it is hardly the biggest or bloodiest conflict.
We are talking one that directly affects some 14 million people, and killed some 100,000 people over 72 years, it hardly in terms of scale deserves the press it gets relative to other conflicts (that is far more press than any other post WWII conflict). More Arab Muslims died in Syria in 9 years then Israel and Palestine killed in 72.

We have to keep it in perspective. It is sad and it would be nice to see it resolved (even if this is unlikely) but I it should hardly be our top foreign policy priority. An need not be the top foreign policy priority for the UAE or Bahrain who are more concerned about Turkey and Iran than some conflict that does not directly involve them.

[La Xinga]

After several rockets fired from Gaza were fired into Israel (no group has claimed responsibility) and injured two, Israel has begun relentlessly bombarding Gaza, causing massive property damage. No casualties have yet been reported.

I like the title "Israel strikes Gaza" rather than "Gaza strikes Israel, Israel retaliates."

[Insaanistan]

After several rockets fired from Gaza were fired into Israel (no group has claimed responsibility) and injured two, Israel has begun relentlessly bombarding Gaza, causing massive property damage. No casualties have yet been reported.

I like the title "Israel strikes Gaza" rather than "Gaza strikes Israel, Israel retaliates."

Nice try. I already did one about rockets from Gaza striking Israel before. You also have the ability to, ya know, read what I said...

[La Xinga]

I like the title "Israel strikes Gaza" rather than "Gaza strikes Israel, Israel retaliates."

Nice try. I already did one about rockets from Gaza striking Israel before. You also have the ability to, ya know, read what I said...

Quote?

[Feline Goetland]

Sigh You aren’t Arab or Muslim, so I understand why Filasteen isn’t something big to you.

I mean realistically it is hardly the biggest or bloodiest conflict.
We are talking one that directly affects some 14 million people, and killed some 100,000 people over 72 years, it hardly in terms of scale deserves the press it gets relative to other conflicts (that is far more press than any other post WWII conflict). More Arab Muslims died in Syria in 9 years then Israel and Palestine killed in 72.

We have to keep it in perspective. It is sad and it would be nice to see it resolved (even if this is unlikely) but I it should hardly be our top foreign policy priority. An need not be the top foreign policy priority for the UAE or Bahrain who are more concerned about Turkey and Iran than some conflict that does not directly involve them.

Yup from a secular POV. I would assume that the main reason why Muslims are really into Palestine is the same reason why Shia Muslims are really into Karbala, namely religion, which has an effect of freezing a period of history and replaying it again and again. Without Shia Islam who will really care about Battle of Karbala and the slain guy (Hussein)? It is the Mongol invasion that really messed up Iraq. The few who perished in Karbala are nothing compared to the many who perished in Baghdad. Without Christianity who will really care about yet another (maybe real, maybe not) unjust crucification in a distant Roman province known as Iudea? Rome has always been assholish towards the provinces anyway and random cricification of a dude is nothing compared to for example the brutal suppression of the Jewish Revolts.

However religion places infinite emphasis on certain places and real & supposed historical events hence they really care about stuff secular people don’t.

[Insaanistan]

After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13.

This.

[Insaanistan]

I didn’t know you meant that. Ottomans are known for generally treating minorities well. When they tried to abolish the Janissaries one time, the Janissaries and their families revolted. I don’t like the system, but there’s a reason many historians have trouble call it slavery. Yes, they were tragically kidnapped or forced into service and forcibly converted to Islam. However, they were paid handsomely. They could marry into noble families and have children. They had power and were respected. A significant amount of non-Muslim parents actually liked the system and wanted their children in it, though most simply accepted or hated it (and rightly so!).

This is literal apologia for slavery, and it's the kind of sentiment that forces me to side with Zionists rather than subject Jews to non-Jewish governance.

I literally said I was against it, I just acknowledged that historians (yes, non-Muslim ones) are wary of calling it slavery because of the reasons I listed above.

[Feline Goetland]

After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13.

This.

Israel won’t bomb Gaza for lulz. So let’s look up why that happened.

[La Xinga]

After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13.

This.

The beginning of your post............literally.........

[Insaanistan]

This.

Israel won’t bomb Gaza for lulz. So let’s look up why that happened.

Be my guest.

[Insaanistan]

This.

The beginning of your post............literally.........

Literally........... is exactly what happened. Like how in the one about Israel bombing Gaza, I included that rockets from Gaza had been fired before the bombings.

[Feline Goetland]

Israel won’t bomb Gaza for lulz. So let’s look up why that happened.

Be my guest.

Not even Wikipedia contains recent history of the Israel-Gaza conflict.

[La Xinga]

The beginning of your post............literally.........

Literally........... is exactly what happened. Like how in the one about Israel bombing Gaza, I included that rockets from Gaza had been fired before the bombings.

You said "After weeks of the Israeli bombing in Gaza and the recent deals between Israel and Bahrain and the UAE brokered by the US, Hamas has fired several rockets into Israel, injuring 13."

You don't mention the reason why, making it seem like Israel is completely guilty, and making it seem like you support Hamas, even though you don't.

[Northern Davincia]

This is literal apologia for slavery, and it's the kind of sentiment that forces me to side with Zionists rather than subject Jews to non-Jewish governance.

I literally said I was against it, I just acknowledged that historians (yes, non-Muslim ones) are wary of calling it slavery because of the reasons I listed above.

I often hear neo-confederates in the US claim opposition to slavery, only to say "it wasn't that bad."
That is what you are doing.

In any case, the Jews have a right to their own nation.

[Feline Goetland]

I literally said I was against it, I just acknowledged that historians (yes, non-Muslim ones) are wary of calling it slavery because of the reasons I listed above.

I often hear neo-confederates in the US claim opposition to slavery, only to say "it wasn't that bad."
That is what you are doing.

In any case, the Jews have a right to their own nation.

I think some people need to understand confounding factors. The QOL of Southern slaves greatly exceeded that of the average Northeast Asian or Indian free person (since they had pork and fruits to eat while the average peasant in China was barely alive and could never find meat) and probably the average European / New England laborer as well. However that’s due to the fact that the south was warm, humid and not very populated. That doesn’t imply that slavery is something awesome. We need to note that slavery was not only harmful to black people but also white people and their freedom as well since the very existence of slave labor threatens free labor worldwide (which is also why China needs to be abolished since it ruins everyone’s wages and introduces high tech mass surveillance everywhere ) and threatens liberal democracy. I definitely don’t believe that the average New England merchant or laborer was that concerned about welfare of black people. Instead they knew that they had to dismantle a system that threatened their own quality of life and diluted their political representation (3/5 compromise means more slaves = more seats in the House).

[Insaanistan]

I literally said I was against it, I just acknowledged that historians (yes, non-Muslim ones) are wary of calling it slavery because of the reasons I listed above.

I often hear neo-confederates in the US claim opposition to slavery, only to say "it wasn't that bad."
That is what you are doing.

In any case, the Jews have a right to their own nation.

Crack open a detailed history book, and you’ll find that historians repeatedly stated it is incorrect to equate the chattel slavery of the Atlantic Slave Trade to the slavery practiced in most of Afrasia at the time. For reference, watch the Extra History video on the Mali Empire. Slaves in the South couldn’t become generals, viziers and kings. Slaves in the east could. Just look at Malik Ammar and many others.

[MC United]

This topic reminds me of a joke:

God appeared to Donald Trump, Xi Jinping and Bibi Netanyahu, and told them He was so displeased with the human race that He was going to end the world in three days.

Donald Trump addressed the American people from the Oval Office. "I have good news and bad news," he said. "The good news is, there is a God. The bad news is, the world will end in three days."

Xi Jinping spoke to the citizens of the PRC. "I have bad news and terrible news," he said. "The bad news is, there is a God. The terrible news is, the world will end in three days."

Then Bibi Netanyahu appeared before the Knesset, live on television. "I have good news and great news," he said. "The good news is, there is a God. The great news is, there will never be a Palestinian state!"

The Palestinians, the Israel-haters, the Trump-haters, and assorted others are acting like the world is ending, thanks to peace breaking out. And the Palestinians can't get it through their heads that, the more they refuse, reject and deny, the more likely it is that there will never be a Palestinian state.

[Kowani]

I often hear neo-confederates in the US claim opposition to slavery, only to say "it wasn't that bad."
That is what you are doing.

In any case, the Jews have a right to their own nation.

Crack open a detailed history book, and you’ll find that historians repeatedly stated it is incorrect to equate the chattel slavery of the Atlantic Slave Trade to the slavery practiced in most of Afrasia at the time. For reference, watch the Extra History video on the Mali Empire. Slaves in the South couldn’t become generals, viziers and kings. Slaves in the east could. Just look at Malik Ammar and many others.

"Crack open a detailed history book"
"Extra credits"

Look, I love EC too, but a history book they are not.

[SD_Film Artists]

Yes, then Palestine will look like the relatively small land dispute that it is rather than pretending that it speaks for the whole of the arab world.

Sigh You aren’t Arab or Muslim, so I understand why Filasteen isn’t something big to you.

The average Israeli is neither Arab nor Muslim yet they seem to have things under control there, increasingly so.