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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Willtime wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.


What bullshit reframing of the truth.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Willtime wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.


Nice propaganda.

Now for what really happened: protesters demanded democracy peacefully, government told them to disperse, they refused, government butchered them in the streets.

The CCP can spin the story however they want. The truth has been known for almost 30 years. Your government is lying to you. It does that a lot, actually. To everyone as a matter of fact. Just like how they lied about environmental initiatives to the UN. Or COVID-19 to WHO. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

If you're buying into their lies then you're just gullible. If you don't care either way, you're as bad as them.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:47 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Willtime wrote:
At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.


What bullshit reframing of the truth.


Good,I will stop wasting our time.

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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:50 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Willtime wrote:
At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.


Nice propaganda.

Now for what really happened: protesters demanded democracy peacefully, government told them to disperse, they refused, government butchered them in the streets.

The CCP can spin the story however they want. The truth has been known for almost 30 years. Your government is lying to you. It does that a lot, actually. To everyone as a matter of fact. Just like how they lied about environmental initiatives to the UN. Or COVID-19 to WHO. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

If you're buying into their lies then you're just gullible. If you don't care either way, you're as bad as them.


Ok,just stop it.

But I want to know another thing.
What is the 'COVID-19 to WHO'
I mean,in your view,China said what to WHO?

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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:53 pm

Willtime wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Nice propaganda.

Now for what really happened: protesters demanded democracy peacefully, government told them to disperse, they refused, government butchered them in the streets.

The CCP can spin the story however they want. The truth has been known for almost 30 years. Your government is lying to you. It does that a lot, actually. To everyone as a matter of fact. Just like how they lied about environmental initiatives to the UN. Or COVID-19 to WHO. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

If you're buying into their lies then you're just gullible. If you don't care either way, you're as bad as them.


Ok,just stop it.

But I want to know another thing.
What is the 'COVID-19 to WHO'
I mean,in your view,China said what to WHO?

He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.

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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:55 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Willtime wrote:
Ok,just stop it.

But I want to know another thing.
What is the 'COVID-19 to WHO'
I mean,in your view,China said what to WHO?

He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.


Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:57 pm

Willtime wrote:
Fnargland wrote:He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.


Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Not letting in foreign scientists to assist in analyzing the virus, for one.
Not giving out their own analysis until well after it had jumped to other nations, to another.
Falsifying records distributed to the international community, for a third.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:59 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Willtime wrote:
Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Not letting in foreign scientists to assist in analyzing the virus, for one.
Not giving out their own analysis until well after it had jumped to other nations, to another.
Falsifying records distributed to the international community, for a third.


What is the time 'it had jumped to other nations' as you know?
And how much time do scientists need to make an analysis?

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:05 pm

Willtime wrote:
Fnargland wrote:He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.


Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?


Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:09 pm

Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:09 pm

Willtime wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Not letting in foreign scientists to assist in analyzing the virus, for one.
Not giving out their own analysis until well after it had jumped to other nations, to another.
Falsifying records distributed to the international community, for a third.


What is the time 'it had jumped to other nations' as you know?
And how much time do scientists need to make an analysis?

As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:11 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Willtime wrote:
What is the time 'it had jumped to other nations' as you know?
And how much time do scientists need to make an analysis?

As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

>As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks.

Yeah Willtime's gonna say the West lies lmao.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:11 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?


I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:12 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?


I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..

>inb4 Willtime says this is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:13 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?


I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..


Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.
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Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:15 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

>As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks.

Yeah Willtime's gonna say the West lies lmao.


The West lies a lot. Russia and China just lie a lot more to completely insane and hilarious levels.

More importantly the West (and in fact almost any other country) treats even Chinese people better than how China treats Chinese people..
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Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:16 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..


Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.


Frankly they should be showing far greater gratitude for all that's being done for them.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:16 pm

Ethnonationalists doing ethnonationalist things. Sooner or later, they will always, inevitably, resort to ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:16 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..


Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.

I completely agree with everything you've said in this thread. However, I can't help but notice the stuff in your sig.

>America, Israel are inherently awesome
Can you elaborate on this?
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:17 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.


Frankly they should be showing far greater gratitude for all that's being done for them.

Lmeow.

According to CCP, yes.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:21 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Willtime wrote:
Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?


Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.


There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:23 pm

Willtime wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.


There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?


You actually think statistics in China are real? Lol.

Yeah and Taiwan which has its own military hostile to PRC & president is actually a province of China. Ok. Using the same logic maybe Vietnam is also a province of China. So are the United States, Russia, Germany etc..
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China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:26 pm

Willtime wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.


There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?


Well that very much assumes those figures are correct. Seems odd to me that some 5M people can escape from Wuhan with so little transmission in other provinces. Anyone looking at China data can see it doesn't make much sense given the ease and stubbornness with which this virus spreads.

What we can learn from Taiwan is the number one factor in considering the response to a virus which is: don't trust anything China is saying and act accordingly.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

>As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks.

Yeah Willtime's gonna say the West lies lmao.


Just choose between this.
1.China start to be serious about this when Jan23 (the day Wuhan was lockdowned),after weeks(four weeks),China told others the analysis in late February.
2.West lies,it need days,not weeks.Maybe hours,minutes,seconds.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:32 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Willtime wrote:
There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?


Well that very much assumes those figures are correct. Seems odd to me that some 5M people can escape from Wuhan with so little transmission in other provinces. Anyone looking at China data can see it doesn't make much sense given the ease and stubbornness with which this virus spreads.

What we can learn from Taiwan is the number one factor in considering the response to a virus which is: don't trust anything China is saying and act accordingly.



Exactly. Never trust China on anything.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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