Yep, October 17, same day as NZ.
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by Shrillland » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:19 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:26 am
Shrillland wrote:Major-Tom wrote:I’m a bit shocked Morrison and the Liberals are seemingly popular again, kinda figured a lot of Australians would never quite forget the botched response to your harrowing wildfire season.
Australia's always been something of a conservative nation, I call it Little America for a reason. Labor's been pretty weak for a long time, they simply can't excite their voters or get the Greens excited about them.
by Shrillland » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:29 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Australia's always been something of a conservative nation, I call it Little America for a reason. Labor's been pretty weak for a long time, they simply can't excite their voters or get the Greens excited about them.
Greens would be a lot more attractive to Labor if the Greens weren't coming at Labor from both sides. From the left and from the "brown" center. Environmental policies have considerable cross-party appeal, for instance primary producers care about the environment, yet the Greens make enemies of them.
I would be whole-heartedly for the Greens, if they tried to center themselves, and argue for environmentalism from the center. Sure, some of the issues extend into social justice and equality (Labor territory), but they clearly extend into primary production and industry too (that's Coalition territory). Situated left of Labor, voting usually with Labor in the Senate, Greens aren't doing anything for the issues of Environment and are arguably driving Labor to the center.
As it is, I vote for Labor in the Parliament and state House. I vote for Greens sometimes in the Senate and state Upper House. But I'm one election away from voting straight Labor, because I want two things: environmental regulation (eg a carbon tax), and kinder policies on immigrants. I know I can't have both, and the Green party needs to realize that too if they want to keep my vote. If they can't stop splitting voters off the left of Labor, they can get the fuck out and leave environmental advocacy to some other party, or to a centrist alliance from both parties. Environmentalism tied to leftism, is environmentalism delayed, and time is running out.
by Mathuvan Union » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:51 am
Shrillland wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greens would be a lot more attractive to Labor if the Greens weren't coming at Labor from both sides. From the left and from the "brown" center. Environmental policies have considerable cross-party appeal, for instance primary producers care about the environment, yet the Greens make enemies of them.
I would be whole-heartedly for the Greens, if they tried to center themselves, and argue for environmentalism from the center. Sure, some of the issues extend into social justice and equality (Labor territory), but they clearly extend into primary production and industry too (that's Coalition territory). Situated left of Labor, voting usually with Labor in the Senate, Greens aren't doing anything for the issues of Environment and are arguably driving Labor to the center.
As it is, I vote for Labor in the Parliament and state House. I vote for Greens sometimes in the Senate and state Upper House. But I'm one election away from voting straight Labor, because I want two things: environmental regulation (eg a carbon tax), and kinder policies on immigrants. I know I can't have both, and the Green party needs to realize that too if they want to keep my vote. If they can't stop splitting voters off the left of Labor, they can get the fuck out and leave environmental advocacy to some other party, or to a centrist alliance from both parties. Environmentalism tied to leftism, is environmentalism delayed, and time is running out.
The immigration issue is what ultimately leads me to supporting Greens for first preference myself(if I were Australian, of course).
by Imperial isa » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:28 am
by Mathuvan Union » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:32 am
Imperial isa wrote:Was Gladys behind those ferries where you can not have passengers on top when going under bridges ?
by Dazchan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:20 pm
Imperial isa wrote:Was Gladys behind those ferries where you can not have passengers on top when going under bridges ?
by Australian rePublic » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:47 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:07 pm
by Acwth » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:15 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:52 pm
Acwth wrote:RE: Labor and elections, it's worth noting that Labor does fine at the state level, because state governments are directly responsible for the administration of things that voters actually trust Labor more than the L/NP on: health and education, mainly.
Federally we almost never win, but that's a separate issue.
by Kenobot » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:40 am
Shrillland wrote:The Coalition has unofficially split in NSW thanks to...koala protection legislation: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-government-crisis-as-john-barilaro-says-nationals-will-leave/12648966
Whomever has "LNP Coalition Destroyed by Koalas" on their 2020 Bingo card, please step up and claim your prize of a "Wartime Banana."
by Acwth » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:36 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Acwth wrote:RE: Labor and elections, it's worth noting that Labor does fine at the state level, because state governments are directly responsible for the administration of things that voters actually trust Labor more than the L/NP on: health and education, mainly.
Federally we almost never win, but that's a separate issue.
Since 1941, Labor has been in power Federally for 30 years, the Coalition for 50 years.
So 37.5% Labor. Not great, but not "almost never" either.
by Australian rePublic » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:14 am
Shrillland wrote:The Coalition has unofficially split in NSW thanks to...koala protection legislation: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-government-crisis-as-john-barilaro-says-nationals-will-leave/12648966
Whomever has "LNP Coalition Destroyed by Koalas" on their 2020 Bingo card, please step up and claim your prize of a "Wartime Banana."
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:06 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Shrillland wrote:The Coalition has unofficially split in NSW thanks to...koala protection legislation: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/nsw-government-crisis-as-john-barilaro-says-nationals-will-leave/12648966
Whomever has "LNP Coalition Destroyed by Koalas" on their 2020 Bingo card, please step up and claim your prize of a "Wartime Banana."
What exactly is that about anyway? I just know it has something to do with koalas and angry farmers
by Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:46 am
by Mathuvan Union » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:54 am
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I don’t care who is in power in Australia as long as they stop selling their country out to China and start resisting it. The Quad Alliance was a good start, not enough though
by Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:57 am
Mathuvan Union wrote:Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I don’t care who is in power in Australia as long as they stop selling their country out to China and start resisting it. The Quad Alliance was a good start, not enough though
We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
by New Carthagea » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:01 am
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
Australia is willingly letting the Chinese Communist government practice neo-colonialism and basically buy the country
Australia is a wealthy country, there is no desperate need for money in Australia, and hence there is no reason for them to sell out to China like they do right now
The Father Has Come: The Pope has started his 5 day visit to New Carthagea today in Phoenicia. He will meet HM The King later this day, and will address the joint session of the Parliament.
America Leaves Egypt! In a surprising turn of events, US President Biden has announced that he will be ordering the retreat of all American troops from American-occupied Egypt, says will work towards restoration of democracy.
by Gondwana island » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:29 am
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
Australia is willingly letting the Chinese Communist government practice neo-colonialism and basically buy the country
Australia is a wealthy country, there is no desperate need for money in Australia, and hence there is no reason for them to sell out to China like they do right now
by Mathuvan Union » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:33 am
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
Australia is willingly letting the Chinese Communist government practice neo-colonialism and basically buy the country
Australia is a wealthy country, there is no desperate need for money in Australia, and hence there is no reason for them to sell out to China like they do right now
by Shrillland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:33 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:42 am
Shrillland wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Koalas need particular kinds of tree. Liberals want to widen the definition of protected trees. Nationals are usually in favor of clearing trees.
On top of that, the story says that the bill would require farmers to manage koalas if there are any found on their land.
by Kenobot » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:41 pm
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I don’t care who is in power in Australia as long as they stop selling their country out to China and start resisting it. The Quad Alliance was a good start, not enough though
Mathuvan Union wrote:Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I don’t care who is in power in Australia as long as they stop selling their country out to China and start resisting it. The Quad Alliance was a good start, not enough though
We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Mathuvan Union wrote:We aren’t selling ourselves to China - I doubt that Morrison will keep his job in the next election though.
Australia is willingly letting the Chinese Communist government practice neo-colonialism and basically buy the country
Australia is a wealthy country, there is no desperate need for money in Australia, and hence there is no reason for them to sell out to China like they do right now
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