Shall China exist?

[Feline Goetland]

Did you study Chinese history at all, most notably its colonization efforts in neighboring countries?

Again, im not defending the chinese government

Im an anarchist for christ sake, no state should exist in my opinion

Its ridiculously stupid to ignore the atrocities of the west and target the atrocities of the east

To me the latter is a lot more relevant so why shall I not focus on it?

[Port Spratly]

Just trying to remind everyone that the west is just as brutal if not more brutal

Stop. That is deflection. Create a new thread where you can spread your hatred about the West if you like, but we are talking about China here.

Why ? why it is allowed to discuss some flaws in another side of the world and taboo to speak about the flaws of the west including the "double standards" applied.

[Willtime]

Victory gives justice to victory itself,good point.

It does work. Without Israel liberals and some nice religious people will keep crying over one pogrom after another without actually solving the problem of Jewish safety. With Israel and IDF they have already been mostly solved.

Now Palestinians keep crying.

[Feline Goetland]

It does work. Without Israel liberals and some nice religious people will keep crying over one pogrom after another without actually solving the problem of Jewish safety. With Israel and IDF they have already been mostly solved.

Now Palestinians keep crying.

You already know my solution: there needs to be an independent Palestine. Though in practice it will probably be better if most Palestinians immigrate to the New World or Oceania since due to acute water shortage and climate change there will probably be even more problems in the region.

[Picairn]

Vietnam is still there.
And there is only one America.
Which one is more thorough?

Tibet and East Turkestan were all annexed into mainland China.

[Smenovekhovtia]

Vietnam is still there.
And there is only one America.
Which one is more thorough?

Tibet and East Turkestan were all annexed into mainland China.

No one is arguing which is worst or denying Chinese totalitarianism

The argument here is that if you want to abolish one on the basis of atrocities, you must be willing to abolish the other on the same basis

Either you want death to both states or your just a legitimate american bootlicker

[Willtime]

Now Palestinians keep crying.

You already know my solution: there needs to be a Palestine.

Then Palestine and Israel will try to destroy each other.
Of course,who will rule the Jerusalem?

[Port Spratly]

I support China's right to exist as a nation-state, but I also support its Balkanization and the independence of many smaller countries such as Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan. I pray for the CCP's demise every single day. I support the creation of a smaller, freer, more democratic China of which Hong Kong is not a constituent part. Only then can I say I'm proud to be Chinese without lying.

Along with your logic, Why US did not give back Hawaii its sovereignty, also the same logic why Japan keeps the Ryukyu Kingdom with them. Before Japanese occupation, Ryukyu Island is a kingdom of themselves pretty much like Kingdom of Korea. Even though the allies command Japan to withdraw all the territory that does not belong to them pre - WW2, why US did not say anything about Ryukyus, If US forces japan to withdrawn Ryukyu then the same standard is applied to US to release Hawaii.

Me myself did not live in china or support CCP but it is funny to see how hypocrite you guys are

[Feline Goetland]

You already know my solution: there needs to be a Palestine.

Then Palestine and Israel will try to destroy each other.
Of course,who will rule the Jerusalem?

That’s why there is a need for UN peacekeepers to separate them.

UN already had a solution for Jerusalem in 1947.

[Picairn]

Why ? why it is allowed to discuss some flaws in another side of the world and taboo to speak about the flaws of the west including the "double standards" applied.

Because screaming about tHe wEsT in a China thread is straying from the main topic. It's like talking about smartphones in a thread about PCs. Create a new thread about the West so you can spread your hatred about it all you want, while we will continue to discuss China in this thread.

[Feline Goetland]

I support China's right to exist as a nation-state, but I also support its Balkanization and the independence of many smaller countries such as Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan. I pray for the CCP's demise every single day. I support the creation of a smaller, freer, more democratic China of which Hong Kong is not a constituent part. Only then can I say I'm proud to be Chinese without lying.

Along with your logic, Why US did not give back Hawaii its sovereignty, also the same logic why Japan keeps the Ryukyu Kingdom with them. Before Japanese occupation, Ryukyu Island is a kingdom of themselves pretty much like Kingdom of Korea. Even though the allies command Japan to withdraw all the territory that does not belong to them pre - WW2, why US did not say anything about Ryukyus, If US forces japan to withdrawn Ryukyu then the same standard is applied to US to release Hawaii.

Me myself did not live in china or support CCP but it is funny to see how hypocrite you guys are

What really matters to Glorious HK and me is that the CCP and the centralized state of China have actually caused real problems in our lives. We want our problems resolved.

[Willtime]

Vietnam is still there.
And there is only one America.
Which one is more thorough?

Tibet and East Turkestan were all annexed into mainland China.

Right.
And of course I know,US didnot annex Canada.
Yeah,Canada defeated US and burned Whitehouse at that time, of course.
But,will you try to avenge the Indians?Not for Canada,for Indians.

[Feline Goetland]

Why ? why it is allowed to discuss some flaws in another side of the world and taboo to speak about the flaws of the west including the "double standards" applied.

Because screaming about tHe wEsT in a China thread is straying from the main topic. It's like talking about smartphones in a thread about PCs. Create a new thread about the West so you can spread your hatred about it all you want, while we will continue to discuss China in this thread.

Exactly. That’s basically the Soviet approach here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you ... ng_Negroes

We need to address human rights issues everywhere. This thread is about addressing them within China and whether it is necessary to split China to enforce human rights.

[Picairn]

Right.
And of course I know,US didnot annex Canada.
Yeah,Canada defeated US and burned Whitehouse at that time, of course.
But,will you try to avenge the Indians?Not for Canada,for Indians.

If I do, will you take up your arms and avenge the Uyghurs and Hong Kong-ers?

[Willtime]

Then Palestine and Israel will try to destroy each other.
Of course,who will rule the Jerusalem?

That’s why there is a need for UN peacekeepers to separate them.

UN already had a solution for Jerusalem in 1947.

They said Jerusalem would be ruled by UN.
Do you believe that Israel will give in?

[Port Spratly]

Vietnam is still there.
And there is only one America.
Which one is more thorough?

Tibet and East Turkestan were all annexed into mainland China.

OOT, are you related to Pitcairn Family or its business group

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That’s why there is a need for UN peacekeepers to separate them.

UN already had a solution for Jerusalem in 1947.

They said Jerusalem would be ruled by UN.
Do you believe that Israel will give in?

No, the best we can hope for is that Israel doesn't annex more land and stops building settlements, and even that is wishful thinking. The war will continue for the foreseeable future.

[Picairn]

OOT, are you related to Pitcairn Family or its business group

Actually no, when I founded this nation, I tried to come up with some names that wouldn't sound too embarassing. Unfortunately I couldn't, then I remember playing Hex Empire and this capital, Picairn, came up in my head. So I typed in Picairn, while the actual name is Pitcairn. Huh, so I missed a T. Too bad I can't change it back, so I settled with the name.

[Willtime]

Right.
And of course I know,US didnot annex Canada.
Yeah,Canada defeated US and burned Whitehouse at that time, of course.
But,will you try to avenge the Indians?Not for Canada,for Indians.

If I do, will you take up your arms and avenge the Uyghurs and Hong Kong-ers?

I will not.Many reasons including I dont think they are being killed.But even they are,I will not risk my life,I will only criticize.
And I will not avenge the Indians.I do think they were killed,and I will not risk my life,I will only criticize.

Now it is your problem.
Will you use the same way to treat them?

[Feline Goetland]

Right.
And of course I know,US didnot annex Canada.
Yeah,Canada defeated US and burned Whitehouse at that time, of course.
But,will you try to avenge the Indians?Not for Canada,for Indians.

If I do, will you take up your arms and avenge the Uyghurs and Hong Kong-ers?

I think they are Sinostatist.

Sinostatism is a pretty serious cancer to the point that even China-born people who hates China usually remain Sinostatist in a mutated manner in the same sense that communism and humanism are still related to Christianity.

When someone who is brainwashed by Sinostatism begins to hate China they often propose that all Chinese get genocided simply because there is no solution with nuances and individual rights to complex problems in the Sinostatist mind which tends to treat social problems as problems in animal husbandry or engineering.

[Kandorith]

I support China's right to exist as a nation-state, but I also support its Balkanization and the independence of many smaller countries such as Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan. I pray for the CCP's demise every single day. I support the creation of a smaller, freer, more democratic China of which Hong Kong is not a constituent part. Only then can I say I'm proud to be Chinese without lying.

Along with your logic, Why US did not give back Hawaii its sovereignty, also the same logic why Japan keeps the Ryukyu Kingdom with them. Before Japanese occupation, Ryukyu Island is a kingdom of themselves pretty much like Kingdom of Korea. Even though the allies command Japan to withdraw all the territory that does not belong to them pre - WW2, why US did not say anything about Ryukyus, If US forces japan to withdrawn Ryukyu then the same standard is applied to US to release Hawaii.

Me myself did not live in china or support CCP but it is funny to see how hypocrite you guys are

That is because the Ryukyus were annexed well before WW2... Because with this logic almost all countries should cede pretty much all of their territories, Germany for example should just cede half their territory to city states and smaller kingdoms then. Furthermore, the Ryukyus wouldn't really be in any position to be independent, there's no economic nor state base for it. (They wanted to become independent again ages ago and it turned out it would be a disaster for the Ryukyan people).

Anyway on topic: even though I have a massive dislike of China, a unified China is better than it falling apart. Every time China was not unified there have been massive wars and civil wars. However brutal the regime is right now, an alternative would most likely be even worse. Hong Kong and Taiwan should remain independent though.

[Picairn]

Anyway on topic: even though I have a massive dislike of China, a unified China is better than it falling apart. Every time China was not unified there have been massive wars and civil wars. However brutal the regime is right now, an alternative would most likely be even worse. Hong Kong and Taiwan should remain independent though.

I support the Japan solution, where China would be ruled by a democratic government with a demilitarised army, akin to Japan or Germany. Its territorial integrity would remain largely intact, with the exception of Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan. All three would gain independence.

[Willtime]

They said Jerusalem would be ruled by UN.
Do you believe that Israel will give in?

No, the best we can hope for is that Israel doesn't annex more land and stops building settlements, and even that is wishful thinking. The war will continue for the foreseeable future.

It is nearly imposible to stop a man who thinks he is powerful than you.
A shame fact for human.
I dont know how to slove it,a shame for myself.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Careful, you can get a nasty cut from broken China.

[Smenovekhovtia]

Right.
And of course I know,US didnot annex Canada.
Yeah,Canada defeated US and burned Whitehouse at that time, of course.
But,will you try to avenge the Indians?Not for Canada,for Indians.

If I do, will you take up your arms and avenge the Uyghurs and Hong Kong-ers?

Yes