[PASSED] Liberate Syria

[Kuriko]

The region Syria was recently taken in a stealth operation and passworded by the forces of the former region Hydra Command. Since they've begun to pile it we believe their intent is to kick the remaining native nations and hold it as a trophy either the way it is or through refounding. I've telegrammed a native for support, as well as a former native, and I am waiting on a reply.

The Security Council,

Honoring the age-old tradition of using a Security Council Liberation to save innocent regions from occupation and destruction through this proposal;

Noting that in this instance, as stated above, an innocent region is under threat of destruction after being passworded by a nation created for the sole purpose of violating the sovereignty of the regional community;

Believing that the region of Hydra Main Command, believed to be run by none other than Alpha Wolf through their puppet state Hydra Wolf, should not be allowed to claim Syria as a trophy through the use of their puppet state Airport Manager Services, taking away the sovereignty of the remaining native community;

Hoping that through the act of this liberation the defender forces from multiple defender aligned regions will be able to free Syria from its current oppressors, and return the region to its current or a possibly future native community;

Hereby liberates the region of Syria.

[Tinhampton]

Good spot! I await native response

[Kuriko]

Good spot! I await native response

There's a very real likelihood that there won't be a reply. It seems the natives in the region are just puppets, and there's no telling if they're active enough to reply.

[A Bloodred Moon]

Good spot! I await native response

There's a very real likelihood that there won't be a reply. It seems the natives in the region are just puppets, and there's no telling if they're active enough to reply.

So, in essence, you are not sure if there even is a native community to liberate? Why should this particular region be liberated, why is it worth the Security Council’s time?

[Kuriko]

There's a very real likelihood that there won't be a reply. It seems the natives in the region are just puppets, and there's no telling if they're active enough to reply.

So, in essence, you are not sure if there even is a native community to liberate? Why should this particular region be liberated, why is it worth the Security Council’s time?

Because it's a region named after a real life location/nation.

[North American Imperial State]

So, in essence, you are not sure if there even is a native community to liberate? Why should this particular region be liberated, why is it worth the Security Council’s time?

Because it's a region named after a real life location/nation.

To me thats not enough to liberate the region
Sorry but no support from me on this one

[Kuriko]

Because it's a region named after a real life location/nation.

To me thats not enough to liberate the region
Sorry but no support from me on this one

Regions named after real life locations are usually special. Most are taken by trophy collectors such as Macedon or Queens State, while a very few were able to survive and grow communities such as Australia, Canada, Belgium, Philippines, etc etc.

[Refuge Isle]

To me thats not enough to liberate the region
Sorry but no support from me on this one

Regions named after real life locations are usually special. Most are taken by trophy collectors such as Macedon or Queens State, while a very few were able to survive and grow communities such as Australia, Canada, Belgium, Philippines, etc etc.

I guess the question, then, is whether it's appropriate to use use a liberation for the sole purpose of denying a trophy. There's a heck of a lot of dead trophy regions out there (still founderless even), is the argument that they're not worth liberating because their name isn't interesting or a real life place?

This region was founded ten years ago, and surely that's impressive, but throughout the time the population graph has existed, they haven't had over eighteen nations. Even in Wayback screenshots from 2012, 2011, and 2008 they haven't surpassed that. There's fourteen pages of RMB history retained at present. Why create another long-term occupation target for the purpose of preserving so little?

[Kuriko]

Regions named after real life locations are usually special. Most are taken by trophy collectors such as Macedon or Queens State, while a very few were able to survive and grow communities such as Australia, Canada, Belgium, Philippines, etc etc.

I guess the question, then, is whether it's appropriate to use use a liberation for the sole purpose of denying a trophy. There's a heck of a lot of dead trophy regions out there (still founderless even), is the argument that they're not worth liberating because their name isn't interesting or a real life place?

This region was founded ten years ago, and surely that's impressive, but throughout the time the population graph has existed, they haven't had over eighteen nations. Even in Wayback screenshots from 2012, 2011, and 2008 they haven't surpassed that. There's fourteen pages of RMB history retained at present. Why create another long-term occupation target for the purpose of preserving so little?

Just because the region has never had a large population, nor a large RMB, doesn't mean that it's not an inherently important region. Almost all regions in NS are made up, made up names, made up histories, made up laws in some cases. Real life regions are different by the fact that they have real life communities that identify with them, real life histories that can be celebrated or expanded upon (not the bad ones though :/).

A real life region should not be allowed to be the trophy of a raider organization, to never see a native community again. I know I would certainly never like to see Vermont, a region named after my state, become a trophy of anyone. And I think many feel that way when it comes to regions named after real life places.

[A Bloodred Moon]

A real life region should not be allowed to be the trophy of a raider organization, to never see a native community again. I know I would certainly never like to see Vermont, a region named after my state, become a trophy of anyone. And I think many feel that way when it comes to regions named after real life places.

Out of the 28 posts on Syria’s RMB within the last 2 years, 15 were made by the current delegate, 2 by raider puppets, 6 by Smash Sans (who seems to be a defender puppet), and 5 by embassy partners or a soldier from one of the embassies. There is no one actually in Syria that cared enough to make it live. This seems a lot like defenders lost and are now trying to use the SC to cover up their defeat. There is no native community to speak of left to liberate, and there is no one who cares enough to set one up.

It is interesting to see the narrative shift from “we need to protect the community” to “it’s a real-life place” when confronted with a complete lack of evidence for the former’s existence. Whether it serves as a trophy of Hydra Main Command or an equally dead puppet storage that serves no purpose is irrelevant - in both cases, the region is dead and generally purposeless, and should not be the concern of the Security Council.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It's the ~*concept*~ of the native that matters, not the actual natives themselves.

Anyways, Hydra seems to be more "native" than anyone else. Stop trying to take their region from them. It's not nice.

[Kuriko]

A real life region should not be allowed to be the trophy of a raider organization, to never see a native community again. I know I would certainly never like to see Vermont, a region named after my state, become a trophy of anyone. And I think many feel that way when it comes to regions named after real life places.

Out of the 28 posts on Syria’s RMB within the last 2 years, 15 were made by the current delegate, 2 by raider puppets, 6 by Smash Sans (who seems to be a defender puppet), and 5 by embassy partners or a soldier from one of the embassies. There is no one actually in Syria that cared enough to make it live. This seems a lot like defenders lost and are now trying to use the SC to cover up their defeat. There is no native community to speak of left to liberate, and there is no one who cares enough to set one up.

It is interesting to see the narrative shift from “we need to protect the community” to “it’s a real-life place” when confronted with a complete lack of evidence for the former’s existence. Whether it serves as a trophy of Hydra Main Command or an equally dead puppet storage that serves no purpose is irrelevant - in both cases, the region is dead and generally purposeless, and should not be the concern of the Security Council.

The narrative hasn't shifted at all, so you can stop trying to shove that shtick. It's about the current community, a possible future community, and the fact that its named after an RL country.

It's the ~*concept*~ of the native that matters, not the actual natives themselves.

Anyways, Hydra seems to be more "native" than anyone else. Stop trying to take their region from them. It's not nice.

The natives do matter Mall, so you can stop that too. It's not the raiders region, it never will be. They just want it as a trophy.

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

It's about the current community

What community is that exactly? You yourself said that the natives seem to be puppets.

a possible future community

Wasn't aware that the SC was supposed to be looking out for future communities that don't exist currently.

and the fact that its named after an RL country.

Doesn't make the region special. Just makes it a region named after a real place. It'd be easier to just say you don't want to let raiders get a win no matter how dead or inactive their targets are. That would make more sense then what you're going for here.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It's the ~*concept*~ of the native that matters, not the actual natives themselves.

Anyways, Hydra seems to be more "native" than anyone else. Stop trying to take their region from them. It's not nice.

The natives do matter Mall, so you can stop that too. It's not the raiders region, it never will be. They just want it as a trophy.

Why isn't it their region? You can't point to anyone else who it belongs to. It belongs to the raiders more than any hypothetical future natives that might one day settle the region.

[Sodoran Alesia]

I guess the question, then, is whether it's appropriate to use use a liberation for the sole purpose of denying a trophy. There's a heck of a lot of dead trophy regions out there (still founderless even), is the argument that they're not worth liberating because their name isn't interesting or a real life place?

This region was founded ten years ago, and surely that's impressive, but throughout the time the population graph has existed, they haven't had over eighteen nations. Even in Wayback screenshots from 2012, 2011, and 2008 they haven't surpassed that. There's fourteen pages of RMB history retained at present. Why create another long-term occupation target for the purpose of preserving so little?

Just because the region has never had a large population, nor a large RMB, doesn't mean that it's not an inherently important region. Almost all regions in NS are made up, made up names, made up histories, made up laws in some cases. Real life regions are different by the fact that they have real life communities that identify with them, real life histories that can be celebrated or expanded upon (not the bad ones though :/).

A real life region should not be allowed to be the trophy of a raider organization, to never see a native community again. I know I would certainly never like to see Vermont, a region named after my state, become a trophy of anyone. And I think many feel that way when it comes to regions named after real life places.

So because there's an rl Syria we should liberate NS Syria despite no connection at all whatsoever besides a name, just a name, no community, no history, no anything, nothing to justify a liberation. What piss poor reasoning. How you feel about it isn't evidence and honestly it's laughable you'd think regions with RL names are inherently more important than "made up" regions.

[Daytime to Night]

Refounds of regions like France and India have shown that RL named regions naturally build communities, especially when the conditions allow them to (i.e. not locked by a password as a shitty trophy region).

There are probably good reasons why the region Syria hasn't developed in the same way in recent years, wonder if anyone commenting on this topic has picked up on that , but sure lets poke fun about the lack of people from that country who have had the ability to enjoy trivial browser games over the last few years...

Either way, we should allow Syrian nationals a place to gather on this game without it being locked away by some very Wolf Clan looking 'raiders'

[Kuriko]

It's about the current community

What community is that exactly? You yourself said that the natives seem to be puppets.

a possible future community

Wasn't aware that the SC was supposed to be looking out for future communities that don't exist currently.

and the fact that its named after an RL country.

Doesn't make the region special. Just makes it a region named after a real place. It'd be easier to just say you don't want to let raiders get a win no matter how dead or inactive their targets are. That would make more sense then what you're going for here.

Hi Dakota, Liberate Iran would like to have a word with you.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Refounds of regions like France and India have shown that RL named regions naturally build communities, especially when the conditions allow them to (i.e. not locked by a password as a shitty trophy region).

There are probably good reasons why the region Syria hasn't developed in the same way in recent years, wonder if anyone commenting on this topic has picked up on that , but sure lets poke fun about the lack of people from that country who have had the ability to enjoy trivial browser games over the last few years...

Either way, we should allow Syrian nationals a place to gather on this game without it being locked away by some very Wolf Clan looking 'raiders'

Well there you have it. Once fendas have brought peace to the Middle East irl, Syria will have natives.

Meanwhile, Woodhouse has the NS version already as a "shitty trophy region" that seems to gather no attention. Think of the future natives!

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

Hi Dakota, Liberate Iran would like to have a word with you.

Iran had an active native -- Iramerica. They were even named in the liberation proposal. Since you're trying to compare the two -- who's an active native in Syria? Who there isn't just a puppet? Where's the community at?

[Kuriko]

Hi Dakota, Liberate Iran would like to have a word with you.

Iran had an active native -- Iramerica. They were even named in the liberation proposal. Since you're trying to compare the two -- who's an active native in Syria? Who there isn't just a puppet? Where's the community at?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nom ... rth_africa

Is a former native I'm trying to make contact with. Same as it was with Iran.

[Tinhampton]

Iran had an active native -- Iramerica. They were even named in the liberation proposal. Since you're trying to compare the two -- who's an active native in Syria? Who there isn't just a puppet? Where's the community at?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nom ... rth_africa

Is a former native I'm trying to make contact with. Same as it was with Iran.

Iramerica was at least a bona fide native who Feux mentions as having made a sincere, if plagiarised, attempt to Liberate Iran. Nomadic sister of shawnas north africa, by contrast, currently resides in United Empire of Islam and appears to have left Syria at some point between March 2015 and September 2015; that nation also refers to itself in five of its seven other RMB posts in Syria as an "Ambassador," and on some occasions explicitly identify themselves as being an ambassador from the UEI.

Since when has a retired ambassador from a region to another region been a "former native" of that second region?

[Kuriko]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nom ... rth_africa

Is a former native I'm trying to make contact with. Same as it was with Iran.

Iramerica was at least a bona fide native who Feux mentions as having made a sincere, if plagiarised, attempt to Liberate Iran. Nomadic sister of shawnas north africa, by contrast, currently resides in United Empire of Islam and appears to have left Syria at some point between March 2015 and September 2015; that nation also refers to itself in five of its seven other RMB posts in Syria as an "Ambassador," and on some occasions explicitly identify themselves as being an ambassador from the UEI.

Since when has a retired ambassador from a region to another region been a "former native" of that second region?

Its not unheard of for ambassadors to become natives, you know.

Edit: This is something that's well known throughout NS, so you can't say it doesn't apply. It's also really hard to read what they were posting, due to not being fluent in English.

[All Wild Things]

Hi Dakota, Liberate Iran would like to have a word with you.

It's nice that Iramerica got their region back, but it's not like they're doing anything interesting with it. (See Iran)

Most are taken by trophy collectors such as Macedon or Queens State

Queens State does at least look after these RL places, though they're on a par with Iran for excitement.

while a very few were able to survive and grow communities such as Australia, Canada, Belgium, Philippines, etc etc.

I'm possibly missing your point, but as far as I am aware, of those four, only belgium was Liberated.

And I'd note that two years after being Liberated, Boston is still just a poor parody of a native-less Warzone.

[Nomadic sister of shawnas north africa]

Syria a very old region and I wish the Syrian region the best my Islamic region will be there for a helpful hand inshallah and watching for others who try attacking the unoccupied innocent region.

Queen Shawna ❤️

[Honeydewistania]

While I agree with the ‘bad raiders, no biscuit!’ sentiment, is this necessary? It’s not like Asia, where there was a community. Even not passworded Syria didn’t have a community