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North Prarie
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Postby North Prarie » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:49 pm

Davelands wrote:
North Prarie wrote:What?? TEP brought charges against people from TWP who worked to coup their region. How is this their fault?

Because it's a farce and everyone knows it.

In the TEP leadership's desperate need to have a bogeyman to either distract the region from their disastrous FA debacle or to try to make the leadership seem powerful, they decided to go after some people who were unrelated to the events of last year. Halo was barely active in TEP (in case you don't know, he was TWP's Delegate at the time) and Badger, while active in TEP, was not even considered for charges at that time.


Closing an embassy with a region that (it looks like) committed espionage against you is a 'disastrous FA debacle'?
News to me.
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Dilber
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Postby Dilber » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:08 pm

North Prarie wrote:
Davelands wrote:Because it's a farce and everyone knows it.

In the TEP leadership's desperate need to have a bogeyman to either distract the region from their disastrous FA debacle or to try to make the leadership seem powerful, they decided to go after some people who were unrelated to the events of last year. Halo was barely active in TEP (in case you don't know, he was TWP's Delegate at the time) and Badger, while active in TEP, was not even considered for charges at that time.


Closing an embassy with a region that (it looks like) committed espionage against you is a 'disastrous FA debacle'?
News to me.


We have asked them to post public proof of espionage, as we have actively stated that we did not commit espionage.

According to their own statement, their internal discussion ended up relating to changing the treaty, and not cutting it. If we were spying on them, we would have known this. As stated, it was a bluff.

Furthermore, in their statement they talk about us using the logs from the discussion. That was done as a counter point, as numerous TEP officials claimed that Bran was not banned, and effectively were calling us liars. I merely posted the language to show that our usage of the term was in-line with the usage from the discussions on their end.
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Postby Davelands » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:48 am

North Prarie wrote:Closing an embassy with a region that (it looks like) committed espionage against you is a 'disastrous FA debacle'?
News to me.

The disastrous FA debacle is their opening embassies with regions with very bad histories and actions, some here and some outside which can't be discussed in the Forum.
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Postby Wymondham » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:56 am

Dilber wrote:
North Prarie wrote:
Closing an embassy with a region that (it looks like) committed espionage against you is a 'disastrous FA debacle'?
News to me.


We have asked them to post public proof of espionage, as we have actively stated that we did not commit espionage.

According to their own statement, their internal discussion ended up relating to changing the treaty, and not cutting it. If we were spying on them, we would have known this. As stated, it was a bluff.

Furthermore, in their statement they talk about us using the logs from the discussion. That was done as a counter point, as numerous TEP officials claimed that Bran was not banned, and effectively were calling us liars. I merely posted the language to show that our usage of the term was in-line with the usage from the discussions on their end.

I am seriously unsure how bluffing about how much you know hoping that your opposite number will reveal stuff, which is a common tactic in NS, can be considered espionage in any way shape or form. If that is seriously considered espionage now then, TEP shall have to ban 90% of the FA ministers they've ever dealt with
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:02 am

I do love to watch a train wreck now and then, but does it always have to be TEP's weird ass decisions that cause them? :P

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Postby Av Libertas Vindex » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:29 pm

I'm new to all of this, but to me it sounds like TEP was trying to pull off some Pretty shady sh*t. Accusing others of doing what they themselves were probably trying to do. Who bans a Delegate? I know where I can find some chocolate (maybe) I just gotta come up with some Grahm Crackers to go with those Marshmallows. Smores anyone?

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Postby Sancta Romana Ecclesia » Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:35 pm

Aivintis wrote:Article V says "There will then be a seven-day period before the treaty cancellation is considered final" yet TWP ordered the closure of in-game embassies two hours before you even announced the cancellation of the treaty, thus violating Article II, "The signatories shall maintain in-game embassies (i.e., on the NationStates site) and off-site embassies (i.e., on their regional forums) with one another." while the treaty was still in effect.

Can I just say that I hate this type of clauses in treaties? Like, what does this notice accomplish? Do you expect them to be your allies for seven days after they decided to dump you? And if they are not, what would be the consequence? You withdrawing from the treaty, so it's double-dead?

It's a pretty standard clause but yet its prevalence really irks me. And yeah, when I was wearing another, more shiny hat, in another region, I was a part of the negotiating team that produced a treaty with a similar clause, so maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite here. Still you can't really expect that a region will remain allied to you for an arbitrary amount of time, just because a piece of parchment dictates it so. The only use of this clause appears to me to be a situation, when the (soon to be former) ally still has some hope in the relationship, so they post a notice that is intended to serve as a final wake-up call for the other side and the last means of salvaging the alliance. Clearly TWP has no such hope.

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Davelands wrote:The disastrous FA debacle is their opening embassies with regions with very bad histories and actions, some here and some outside which can't be discussed in the Forum.

This.
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Postby Bachtendekuppen » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:48 am

Arkadia Universalis wrote:While it is always disheartening to see any alliance dissolve, especially such a long-lived one, Osiris understands and respects this decision. We would also like to reaffirm that we stand with the West Pacific and its people as allies. We cannot say what the future holds, but we admire the West for taking action to protect its own people.

*coughs* Treaty of Tranquility.. *coughs*
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:31 am

Bachtendekuppen wrote:
Arkadia Universalis wrote:While it is always disheartening to see any alliance dissolve, especially such a long-lived one, Osiris understands and respects this decision. We would also like to reaffirm that we stand with the West Pacific and its people as allies. We cannot say what the future holds, but we admire the West for taking action to protect its own people.

*coughs* Treaty of Tranquility.. *coughs*

don't cough on that treaty Bach what are you doing
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:25 pm

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Queen Yuno wrote:I wonder what happened here???


my money is that AMOM told Libertanny that after they pull off a coup together, Libertanny can bring you back, Yuno. AMOM is sneaky like that.

Can also confirm that AMOM bribed us with a giant basket of candy bars to cause this. He’s also has a total of 42069 alts, which are infilitrating every region as we speak. The long updates and the Reptilian conspiracy theories are also him
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:55 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:Can also confirm that AMOM bribed us with a giant basket of candy bars to cause this.

pure evil
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Postby The West Pacific Master Dispatch » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:14 am

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The Western Post - September 2020 Issue



It's a new name, but the same great content. This month's issue of The Western Post is now available. Among the issue's highlights are:
  • A feature article raising awareness about Hydrocephalus
  • A Foreign Affairs Feature on Europeia
  • Info on the launch of the West Pacific Cultural Trust
  • Musical musings
  • A great multistep puzzle that we are re-running because it's quite challenging
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Postby North Prarie » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:12 pm

Bachtendekuppen wrote:
Arkadia Universalis wrote:While it is always disheartening to see any alliance dissolve, especially such a long-lived one, Osiris understands and respects this decision. We would also like to reaffirm that we stand with the West Pacific and its people as allies. We cannot say what the future holds, but we admire the West for taking action to protect its own people.

*coughs* Treaty of Tranquility.. *coughs*

This aged extremely well, lol
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Postby The West Pacific Master Dispatch » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:23 am

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The Western Post - October 2020 Issue


The October 2020 issue of The Western Post is now available. Among the issue's highlights are a spotlight for Trading Card collections, more musical musings, a spooky puzzle, as well as a great comic and poem!


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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:42 am

Bran Astor appears to have appointed himself(sorry if I misgendered you) as RO titled “Naming Successor October 7”. Will TWP have a new delegate soon?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:47 am

Comfed wrote:Bran Astor appears to have appointed himself(sorry if I misgendered you) as RO titled “Naming Successor October 12”. Will TWP have a new delegate soon?

The current RO title is "Naming Successor Oct. 7."

Since the URA shitshow, Elegarth, Badger, Davelands, Halo and now Bran have all served for approximately a year as TWP's WA Delegate. Are Delegates constitutionally obliged to stand down after a year, or can they stand down whenever they like but it typically happens 12 months after accession?
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Postby Altmoras » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:39 pm

Thanks for the poem.
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Postby Bran Astor » Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:07 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Comfed wrote:Bran Astor appears to have appointed himself(sorry if I misgendered you) as RO titled “Naming Successor October 12”. Will TWP have a new delegate soon?

The current RO title is "Naming Successor Oct. 7."

Since the URA shitshow, Elegarth, Badger, Davelands, Halo and now Bran have all served for approximately a year as TWP's WA Delegate. Are Delegates constitutionally obliged to stand down after a year, or can they stand down whenever they like but it typically happens 12 months after accession?


Traditional, but not mandated.
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Postby Comfed » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:41 pm

I see that Dilber will succeed Bran Astor...
Congratulations to both!
I notice Dilber doesn’t have polls authority. Are TWPers opposed to polls or something? :p
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:05 pm

Comfed wrote:I see that Dilber will succeed Bran Astor...
Congratulations to both!
I notice Dilber doesn’t have polls authority. Are TWPers opposed to polls or something? :p

Our Monster Mash (Round 1) poll finished yesterday so I don’t know where you got that idea from.
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Postby Fuentana » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:51 am

Altmoras wrote:Thanks for the poem.


Glad you enjoyed it! :)
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Postby The West Pacific Master Dispatch » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:11 pm

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Delegate Dilber's First Speech


The West Pacific's new Delegate is Dilber! In the first day of his term, he has made a speech about the future of the region. Please congratulate him on a well deserved Delegacy and be sure to read the speech by clicking the dispatch link below!


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Onder Kelkia
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Postby Onder Kelkia » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:57 pm

An impressive first speech. Many congratulations to Dilber on his well-earned ascension to the Delegacy; I am sure that he will achieve much in the role.

Congratulations also and thank you to Bran Astor on completing his successful tenure as TWP Delegate.
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:00 pm

Congratulations Dilber! May your delegacy be successful.

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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 pm

Fantastic Speech! Excited for the new chapter for TWP. So thankful to have gotten to know Bran during his tenure as Delegate, and looking forward to getting to know Dilber as delegate as well.
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