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by Badivermeraed » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:50 pm
by Numero Capitan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:55 pm
Badivermeraed wrote:It's not an OOC attack by any means, but it's just plain mean nevertheless.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:00 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:Badivermeraed wrote:It's not an OOC attack by any means, but it's just plain mean nevertheless.
So this mean but occupying someone’s region who doesn’t want to play your game, to the point that long term NSers quit or get mod-bombed for flaming you is all good and fair game? Got it.
Smh
by Agalaesia » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:01 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:Badivermeraed wrote:It's not an OOC attack by any means, but it's just plain mean nevertheless.
So this mean but occupying someone’s region who doesn’t want to play your game, to the point that long term NSers quit or get mod-bombed for flaming you is all good and fair game? Got it.
by Dawn Denac » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:03 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:Dyll tried to be to clever to sneak some wins and lost, I’m sure they can own that or they wouldn’t have taken the risks
OOC attack, umm nope, pretty shameful to describe it in those terms. Let’s reserve that terminology for actual issues please.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:04 pm
by Numero Capitan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:06 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Numero Capitan wrote:
So this mean but occupying someone’s region who doesn’t want to play your game, to the point that long term NSers quit or get mod-bombed for flaming you is all good and fair game? Got it.
Smh
Sorry is your stance that because raiding is mean defenders can single people out for ridicule in mean ways too?
by Badivermeraed » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:08 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:Badivermeraed wrote:It's not an OOC attack by any means, but it's just plain mean nevertheless.
So this mean but occupying someone’s region who doesn’t want to play your game, to the point that long term NSers quit or get mod-bombed for flaming you is all good and fair game? Got it.
Smh
by Benevolent Thomas » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:08 pm
Refuge Isle wrote:I don't speak for anyone but myself in this post, but I don't consider it a positive point for TGW to specifically single out members of an org to personally attack or shame them. That kind of stuff goes into OOC territory and in my opinion is thoroughly beyond the scope of what largely IC update reports should involve.
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:11 pm
by Mallorea and Riva » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:12 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Sorry is your stance that because raiding is mean defenders can single people out for ridicule in mean ways too?
It’s some dodgy sensitivity from a group that is built on doing mean IC things. Fees like sour grapes more than genuine concern.
People need to learn how to take an L, we all get em in this game.
by Lord Dominator » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:13 pm
Numero Capitan wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Sorry is your stance that because raiding is mean defenders can single people out for ridicule in mean ways too?
It’s some dodgy sensitivity from a group that is built on doing mean IC things. Fees like sour grapes more than genuine concern.
People need to learn how to take an L, we all get em in this game.
by Sweeze » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:33 pm
Refuge Isle wrote:That kind of stuff goes into OOC territory
by Jakker » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Refuge Isle » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Refuge Isle wrote:I don't speak for anyone but myself in this post, but I don't consider it a positive point for TGW to specifically single out members of an org to personally attack or shame them. That kind of stuff goes into OOC territory and in my opinion is thoroughly beyond the scope of what largely IC update reports should involve.
Because TBH would never single out members of an org to personally attack or shame them. If you truly felt that pointing out IC incompetence, as we all do all the time, is an out of character attack, I'd expect you to report it to moderation. I'd also suggest that you log out of the game and allow your nations to CTE as you clearly have lost any perspective as to what is In-Character and what is Out of Character. I'm honestly dumbfounded how anyone can tolerate this hypocritical faux-moralism that TBH comes up with time and time again.
by Dawn Denac » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:33 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Refuge Isle wrote:I don't speak for anyone but myself in this post, but I don't consider it a positive point for TGW to specifically single out members of an org to personally attack or shame them. That kind of stuff goes into OOC territory and in my opinion is thoroughly beyond the scope of what largely IC update reports should involve.
Because TBH would never single out members of an org to personally attack or shame them. If you truly felt that pointing out IC incompetence, as we all do all the time, is an out of character attack, I'd expect you to report it to moderation. I'd also suggest that you log out of the game and allow your nations to CTE as you clearly have lost any perspective as to what is In-Character and what is Out of Character. I'm honestly dumbfounded how anyone can tolerate this hypocritical faux-moralism that TBH comes up with time and time again.
Dyll, I'm sure you're a lovely person. You done fucked up in your gameplay last night, as we all do from time to time. I hope you read our post and said to yourself "fuck those guys, Imma show 'em next chance I get", because that's honestly how I expect anyone to react. I also invite you, and anyone else who may have been offended by this most recent report, to join our discord server and judge for themselves if we're as mean-spirited as we're being made out to be.
by Flanderlion » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:20 pm
by Frenchy II » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:41 pm
by Jakker » Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:45 pm
Flanderlion wrote:This is the kind of thing which takes away from actual OOC stuff. I don't think it's very nice highlighting a specific players failures at R/D and wouldn't love it if it happened to me (there are plenty of times I've done worse and I'm not quite a noob now), but it's attacking the in game actions of the player.
Frenchy II wrote:I think that calling this "OOC Toxic" or anything synonymous takes away from issues surrounding people who are legitimately OOC problematic. As someone who is regularly shit on for being a bad updater, I understand any emotions that Dyllonia (who I consider to actually be quite a good updater, nice person, and great trigger!) is experiencing. Though I hope that everyone takes into account that this post was made in an incredibly shitposty nature and is supposed to be entirely in good fun.
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Guy » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:13 pm
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Dawn Denac » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:58 pm
Guy wrote:I don’t think the purpose of that update, nor its author’s intent, was to make Dyll feel bad. It was probably seen as friendly banter between competing sides.
Was it appropriate? I re-read the text of the update a couple of times. It makes fun of a failure, and it’s quite public. But I don’t think it demeans or bullies Dyll in a targeted way, nor makes him the target of *personal* ridicule. I also don’t think it’s particularly out of step with similar communications other groups put out.
Personally I don’t see the utility in highlighting an individual player’s failures if they are not going to take it in that positive, banterish way. And there is a lot of cultural context here.
We have had, and I would wager continue to have, a problem with how we interact with each other.
People develop strong feelings about Gameplay. We push the IC/OOC distinction, but as here these feelings can run strong even if it’s not ‘harassment’ or similar. Sometimes there is friendly competition, but other times people do get quite invested. And people do sometimes inflict personal jibes at people. We for years celebrated a player whose modus operandi was to make people feel like shit.
In this context, it would be appropriate for TGW to note that no hurt was intended, withdraw the update, and leave it at that.
Perhaps in the future we’ll have a better gameplay culture where it’s easier to interact in the context of the game without introducing negative personal feelings. We’re not there yet.
by Kyorgia » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:47 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Numero Capitan wrote:
So this mean but occupying someone’s region who doesn’t want to play your game, to the point that long term NSers quit or get mod-bombed for flaming you is all good and fair game? Got it.
Smh
Sorry is your stance that because raiding is mean defenders can single people out for ridicule in mean ways too?
by Daytime to Night » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:02 am
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