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New yugoslavaia
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:19 am

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Fascist PRUESSENS wrote:People keep saying that this is the mark of the beast. Is this true?


No, and going forward, you should apply extreme suspicion to any and all claims made by anybody who said such an utterly absurd thing.


Really, anything fundies say should be approached with caution.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:20 am

Valrifell wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
How difficult is it to fix one town's water?


Well, actually it seems that their lead levels fell back to well within Federal guidelines in 2018.

What are the federal guidelines btw?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fiction is useful for exploring the downsides of potential new technologies, but it would be silly to wholly write off a field of technological study just because once someone told a story where they had that technology and it was bad.

Science fiction has been phenomenal at predicting the future and been warning us about the dangers of certain technologies for years yet scientists refuse to heed such warnings


Literally no part of this is true.
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Do you really think that those movies didn’t have scientists and other experts weighing in on the movie during production?


Even if they did some scientists seem keen on creating things in some of those films.

Probably because scientists are nerds
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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:22 am

Salandriagado wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:AI is an existential threat.


About as much as any child is. Also, there's no AI here.

This is a threat to freedom.


I don't see how.

It's also on a par with Edison electrocuting an elephant for publicity.


Except not in any way at all.


Whatever.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:22 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Even if they did some scientists seem keen on creating things in some of those films.

Probably because scientists are nerds


And those nerds could cause terrible consequences. But progress for the sake of progress right?
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Salandriagado
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:23 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
About as much as any child is. Also, there's no AI here.



I don't see how.



Except not in any way at all.


Whatever.


A truly spectacular argument there.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:23 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, and going forward, you should apply extreme suspicion to any and all claims made by anybody who said such an utterly absurd thing.


Really, anything fundies say should be approached with caution.

They might have a point in this case.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:23 am

Geneviev wrote:
Fascist PRUESSENS wrote:People keep saying that this is the mark of the beast. Is this true?

It could be. If it's forced on people, I think it might be the mark.


Why would it be the mark?
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Probably because scientists are nerds


And those nerds could cause terrible consequences. But progress for the sake of progress right?


Have you actually met anyone who is/wants to be a scientist? Do you actually know anything of the scientific process/science that hasn't been reaped from science fiction films?
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Well, actually it seems that their lead levels fell back to well within Federal guidelines in 2018.

What are the federal guidelines btw?


Like 15 micrograms/Liter.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:24 am

Valrifell wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And those nerds could cause terrible consequences. But progress for the sake of progress right?


Have you actually met anyone who is/wants to be a scientist? Do you actually know anything of the scientific process/science that hasn't been reaped from science fiction films?


Yes I do.
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Salandriagado
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:25 am

Geneviev wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
Really, anything fundies say should be approached with caution.

They might have a point in this case.


No, they absolutely do not.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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Kiu Ghesik
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:25 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Fascist PRUESSENS wrote:People keep saying that this is the mark of the beast. Is this true?


No, and going forward, you should apply extreme suspicion to any and all claims made by anybody who said such an utterly absurd thing.

NTM that even in Revelations it implies quite strongly that the people faced with the Mark will know it is the Mark explicitly. This is just Elon Musk's latest pipe dream.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:26 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Geneviev wrote:They might have a point in this case.


No, they absolutely do not.


lets keep researching AI because there is no chance of Terminator or I, Robot becoming reality? That's all just complete fantasy.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, they absolutely do not.


lets keep researching AI because there is no chance of Terminator or I, Robot becoming reality? That's all just complete fantasy.


You literally have no idea what AI is. Moreover, you very clearly did not read the discussion that you just jumped into the middle of, because it wasn't about fucking AI.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]
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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
They know stuff you don't. You'll have to study hard for years to catch up ... or you could get over it.


Yeah there’s no possible way technology like this or AI couldn’t lead to the film Upgrade, Terminator or The Matrix

Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:29 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It could be. If it's forced on people, I think it might be the mark.


Why would it be the mark?

It will be used to control people even if that isn't the purpose now. Technology can be hacked.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:29 am

Salandriagado wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
lets keep researching AI because there is no chance of Terminator or I, Robot becoming reality? That's all just complete fantasy.


You literally have no idea what AI is. Moreover, you very clearly did not read the discussion that you just jumped into the middle of, because it wasn't about fucking AI.

And in I, Robot and the whole Robot and Foundation series it was people's fear of progress that was more often the antagonist than the robots themselves.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:29 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah there’s no possible way technology like this or AI couldn’t lead to the film Upgrade, Terminator or The Matrix

Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.

Once you get self awareness you are in uncharted waters
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:30 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah there’s no possible way technology like this or AI couldn’t lead to the film Upgrade, Terminator or The Matrix

Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.


There's not even research pressure towards self-aware AI.

People only want an artificial intelligence to solve very complicated but also niche problems for them. Why would a physicist concerned with cosmology waste precious AI resources on a machine that's also a great conversationalist? Specialization saves us again!
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:30 am

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What are the federal guidelines btw?


Like 15 micrograms/Liter.

Damn that’s pretty good then
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Postby Andsed » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:32 am

I am cautious of this. IF (and that is a big if) it could do what it is saying, then I think it should be looked into. But I would reserve it for those it is necessary for. Also I would want it to be done by someone who is not Elon Musk because I do not trust him.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:32 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah there’s no possible way technology like this or AI couldn’t lead to the film Upgrade, Terminator or The Matrix

Malevolent self-aware AI’s like Skynet and Zero-One hardly seems very likely.

AI would most likely just get you in trouble because you told it to get you somewhere fast
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:32 am

Geneviev wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Why would it be the mark?

It will be used to control people even if that isn't the purpose now. Technology can be hacked.

The mark doesn't control people though?
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