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by Unibot III » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:13 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Fauxia » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:25 pm
Agalaesia wrote:So is Balder in a catch 22, where NSGP hates them for keeping all the power, but they can't relinquish the power because NSGP would overthrow them?
Pretty much, yes. Balder is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and most people don't want them to just reform. They want NES and Onder out, and you can't just expect them to do that, so I think NSGP should be realistic about that.
by A Bloodred Moon » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:55 pm
Fauxia wrote:Proscribing non-GP regions definitely seems outlandish (and just unnecessary) to me.
Tags: Defender, Game Player, LGBT, and Medium.
by Fauxia » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:39 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:04 pm
Fauxia wrote:A Bloodred Moon wrote:What?
I may or may not have gotten them mixed up with regionless in my attempt to criticize Balder.
Well, that makes more sense.
by Daytime to Night » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:22 pm
Jar Wattinree wrote:Fauxia wrote:I may or may not have gotten them mixed up with regionless in my attempt to criticize Balder.
Well, that makes more sense.
Regionless also has the tag Game Player.
by Fauxia » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:35 pm
Jar Wattinree wrote:Fauxia wrote:I may or may not have gotten them mixed up with regionless in my attempt to criticize Balder.
Well, that makes more sense.
Regionless also has the tag Game Player.
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by The Church of Satan » Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:10 am
North Prarie wrote:Does TRT care to comment on the King of Balder’s most recent address to Parliament where he says that the perception survey was, quote, “somewhat dubious”, “stacked with voters, many of whom from GCRs that regard us unfavorably”, and had “a modicum of credibility”?
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:33 am
North Prarie wrote:“stacked with voters, many of whom from GCRs that regard us unfavorably”
by Unibot III » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:54 am
North Prarie wrote:Does TRT care to comment on the King of Balder’s most recent address to Parliament where he says that the perception survey was, quote, “somewhat dubious”, “stacked with voters, many of whom from GCRs that regard us unfavorably”, and had “a modicum of credibility”?
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:03 pm
Unibot III wrote:(AND WE HAVE GREAT HAIR. We're not bald. It's real. It's real hair. Feel it. It's very real. No one has hair quite like our hair. Balder - the name is a joke, right? They named a region Balder but the people all have the bestest hair. Get it? It's a joke. You liberals can't take a joke.)
by Unibot III » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:Unibot III wrote:(AND WE HAVE GREAT HAIR. We're not bald. It's real. It's real hair. Feel it. It's very real. No one has hair quite like our hair. Balder - the name is a joke, right? They named a region Balder but the people all have the bestest hair. Get it? It's a joke. You liberals can't take a joke.)
Unibot is getting old confirmed.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Benevolent Thomas » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:08 am
Agalaesia wrote:
How is it doing?
Not too hot. It got involved in a few operations, but we weren't invited to much and didn't have any spectacular numbers, despite joining it being practically a requirement for citizens. I tried to host some operations under the Balder flag, but Onder was unwilling to take even the slightest risk. If the operation wasn't guaranteed to have multiple GCR's support, as well as TBH and Europeia, then it was a no go, as he was afraid that failing any sort of operation would destroy Balder's public image or something, as if it wasn't already a terrible public image. I think Onder has an issue where he is so afraid of failure he is unwilling to take any sort of risk, even just a measly military operation.
It sounds like Balder is rather insecure from that. Would this be a fair description?
That's the perfect description.
Wow.
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Onder Kelkia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:29 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Agalaesia wrote:
How is it doing?
Not too hot. It got involved in a few operations, but we weren't invited to much and didn't have any spectacular numbers, despite joining it being practically a requirement for citizens. I tried to host some operations under the Balder flag, but Onder was unwilling to take even the slightest risk. If the operation wasn't guaranteed to have multiple GCR's support, as well as TBH and Europeia, then it was a no go, as he was afraid that failing any sort of operation would destroy Balder's public image or something, as if it wasn't already a terrible public image. I think Onder has an issue where he is so afraid of failure he is unwilling to take any sort of risk, even just a measly military operation.
It sounds like Balder is rather insecure from that. Would this be a fair description?
That's the perfect description.
Wow.
This is incredible. Playing NS had a role in my overcoming of fear of failure in real life. I can't imagine allowing a similar fear to cripple how I play this game. I think I actually feel sorry for Balder after reading this... I did not think this was possible.
by North East Somerset » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:58 am
When North East Somerset found out about the Heimdall server, he appears to have requested that its conspirators confess to treason and declare loyalty to the Crown. In exchange, the players would be granted immunity. This is ostensibly a legal requirement per section 3.1.b of the Criminal Code. The law, provided to me by North East Somerset, specifically states that “any party, upon having made a reasonable attempt in a timely fashion to disclose [information regarding treason], shall have impunity of this offense”. The law appears to read as though anyone who leaked the activities receives immunity, while those who did not leak it but chose to cooperate still do not receive immunity, because that would not be made in a “timely fashion” or be a “reasonable attempt” at all. They were given immunity regardless, likely in order to facilitate their cooperation.
Aquila was indifferent (as he was with the entire debacle) to receiving immunity.17 Unlike his friend, Adriatican was not happy about the agreement. In a conversation with Griffindor, Adriatican explained that he and Bowzin were “forced” to condemn Griffindor’s actions and swear loyalty to the Crown. “NES has essentially rendered [Griffindor] unable to call a witness involved, as we would either have to perjure ourselves to side with [Griffindor] and get kicked out, or recant our condemnations to side with [Griffindor], and get kicked out”, he tells Griffindor. “He very much blackmailed us, or at the very least, seriously leaned on us in a way unbecoming of the Crown. [...] He forced us to choose between our collective citizenship and political careers, or the guillotine, and I’m honestly disappointed in myself, that I didn’t choose the latter”.18 19 While the accusations directed at North East Somerset may be exaggerations, it is a major flaw of the judicial system in Balder that witnesses would be granted immunity in exchange for signing a statement that didn’t allow them to testify.
Anyway, it wasn't until a little later that I created the Heimdall server, and at this point I had already decided I was going to expose the coup plot to NES [refers to North East Somerset]. I told him before creating the server, and told him I intended to create the server to keep an eye on them and gather more evidence. NES seemed pretty neutral at that point, not considering them a threat, or even considering it treason since it seemed more like they were trying to reform.
In this depiction of the events, Bowzin may have assisted North East Somerset to conduct a sting operation against those who may have been seen as a threat to the Crown. Bowzin would’ve found the players who he knew expressed anti-Balder opinions, feign sympathy and agreement, and proceed to suggest reform. It was Bowzin who recruited Aquila and Griffindor. It was Bowzin who formalized Operation Heimdall by creating the server. He simply had to bide his time until one of the players messed up. Bowzin then provided the direct message (i.e. just Bowzin and Griffindor) logs which were crucial in convicting Griffindor. This scenario possibly implicates not only King North East Somerset, but also Crown Prince Onderkelkia, the Arbiter in Griffindor’s trial, as he works closely with North East Somerset. That would make Griffindor’s trial phony and unfair.
by Agalaesia » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:05 am
by Bormiar » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:25 pm
North East Somerset wrote:without giving the Balder Crown a chance to refute any of the points made following the publishing of the original article, and the "tell-all".
North East Somerset wrote:I would notice for instance that Bormiar completely overlooked Bowzin soundly contradicting a key part of the original article, ie. that Bowzin recruited Aquila and Griffindor, and was the "origin" of the coup plots. Bowzin says on the 16th August edition; "At this point I had also been talking with Griff, just about normal Balder business, and had seen he was very negative towards the Balder government setup and inner circle. On top of this, I was reached out to by Aq regarding Griff's intentions as well. Aq had said Griff had been planning a coup since he joined". When it suited for the narrative he follows Bowzins testimony, and when it doesn't, Griffindor. They cant both be innocent! And their contradictory testimony can't both be true. Its unquestionably true Bowzin created the server, but whether or not that meant he was the origin of all the plotting is not clear, and depends which testimony you believe.
North East Somerset wrote:I just want to clarify 2 false points of fact that I do have absolute facts on, and which are key to the articles:
The first concerns the dramatic testimony of Adriatican that I "forced" him to condemn Griffindor's actions, swear loyalty to the Crown, and recant things. This then seems to have become the basis of criticisms of the Balder Crown made by Church of Satan in recent days in another thread (addressed here; viewtopic.php?p=37553815#p37553815). It needs to be said, Adriatican's testimony is a completely fabricated fantasy - and the easiest way for me to prove that is simply to publish ALL of my conversation logs with Adriatican, which I have done below. If you read them, you'll see I never demanded any of the things he alleges, and simply gave him the option to disclose who was involved in Operation Heimdell and what was said. (Note embedded images have not copied over, but are not necessary to prove my point)
Adriaticans allegations as published in TRT (Aug 4th article) - bolded the section of testimony that is blatantly false as shown by the logs below;When North East Somerset found out about the Heimdall server, he appears to have requested that its conspirators confess to treason and declare loyalty to the Crown. In exchange, the players would be granted immunity. This is ostensibly a legal requirement per section 3.1.b of the Criminal Code. The law, provided to me by North East Somerset, specifically states that “any party, upon having made a reasonable attempt in a timely fashion to disclose [information regarding treason], shall have impunity of this offense”. The law appears to read as though anyone who leaked the activities receives immunity, while those who did not leak it but chose to cooperate still do not receive immunity, because that would not be made in a “timely fashion” or be a “reasonable attempt” at all. They were given immunity regardless, likely in order to facilitate their cooperation.
Aquila was indifferent (as he was with the entire debacle) to receiving immunity.17 Unlike his friend, Adriatican was not happy about the agreement. In a conversation with Griffindor, Adriatican explained that he and Bowzin were “forced” to condemn Griffindor’s actions and swear loyalty to the Crown. “NES has essentially rendered [Griffindor] unable to call a witness involved, as we would either have to perjure ourselves to side with [Griffindor] and get kicked out, or recant our condemnations to side with [Griffindor], and get kicked out”, he tells Griffindor. “He very much blackmailed us, or at the very least, seriously leaned on us in a way unbecoming of the Crown. [...] He forced us to choose between our collective citizenship and political careers, or the guillotine, and I’m honestly disappointed in myself, that I didn’t choose the latter”.18 19 While the accusations directed at North East Somerset may be exaggerations, it is a major flaw of the judicial system in Balder that witnesses would be granted immunity in exchange for signing a statement that didn’t allow them to testify.
Honestly, this is worth a read for anyone that wants a flavour of the "truth" - as its just so different from what the article portrays... below, All logs between me and Adriatican, totally unredacted, and the most relevant section bolded:NES02/14/2020
Hello
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Your Majesty.
NES02/14/2020
Good Evening
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Good evening to you as well.
NES02/14/2020
I wish it was under better circumstances we had this first conversation
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
As do I. I am here to bow to your greater wisdom however. What may I help you with in service to the Realm?
NES02/14/2020
I wanted to know what your perspective is broadly on the role of the Crown in Balder?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Well, I can tell you only what the general consensus is regarding His Majesty’s Ministers and constituents.
That being, that the Crown has positioned itself as limiting to the delegates which run the government in its name, and should strive to emulate the British Government via the Advisory, Assent, and Guidance role, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has positioned her monarchy under.
My experience working with His Royal Highness the Crown Prince, and serving in the Government in His Majesty’s name has been pleasant and efficient, but I must highlight the will of our constituents for more autonomy, and greater ability to make the changes they wish to see, something a strong monarch may not be conducive to.
NES02/14/2020
I would say the chances of changing the constitutional settlement and fundamental balance of power that was only just recently come to, are fairly remote.
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Indeed. I believe if we had a solid executive in the legislative, or a liaison between the Crown and Government, willing to calmly, effectively, constructively, and productively, work with, and between the two, there may be significant improvement.
NES02/14/2020
However, its come to my attention that treasonous plotting has been undertaken.
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Indeed.
NES02/14/2020
With a view to removing power from the Crown, even if necessary securing the delegacy militarily.
Which is clearly a bit out of hand.
What are your views on this?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
A military security of the delegacy? This I was unaware of.
NES02/14/2020
Right, but a general movement to remove power from the Crown?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
The most I have been akin to was a coordination between Ministers and the Government to limit the power of the Crown within the powers of their respective roles and institutions.
Unethical perhaps, but perhaps also not illegal. Indeed however, that falls to the jurisdiction of Your Majesty’s opinion.
NES02/14/2020
Coordination between Ministers and the Government?
Who was involved in this?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Indeed, and I beg Your Majesty’s pardon, but if I inform you of such, I must be guaranteed anonymity, and immunity from retribution from the Government.
NES02/14/2020
Its definitely in your interests to inform me as such
See 3.1.a; "This shall include collusion; any and all parties, upon discovery of such activities or plans, having made no reasonable attempt in a timely fashion, to disclose any pertinent information to the Delegate, Vice Delegate or a member of the Royal family shall be found guilty of the same offense and liable to the same punishment"
I'm trying to give you a route out basically.
So I can only advise you to talk to me, the full story, and quickly.
Given that I have approached you, it might be dubious whether you have made a "reasonable attempt in a timely fashion" - but regardless, its better to make an attempt in any fashion than none.
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Mmmm, then it’s my sad duty to inform you that the Rt. Honorable Statsminister, the Delegate from Bowzin, the Rt. Honorable Talman, the Delegate from Gryffindor, and the Rt. Honorable Deputy Talman, the Delegate from Aquila, that were directly involved in attempts as described, to limit the Crown’s power, with myself as an advocate of working with the Crown wherever possible.
NES02/14/2020
Thank you.
In your view
Who was ringleader of this?
Who approached you about it initially.
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
In order, Gryffindor, then Bowzin, with Aquila as a vigorous cheerleader, but, to my knowledge, not much more.
NES02/14/2020
Thank you.
And I think its "Griffindor" not with a y.
But nonetheless, no loss of clarity from that.
Sorry, so, who approached you initially again?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Griffindor.
NES02/14/2020
On what date in your view did the endeavour take an organised form?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Shortly after my initial submission of the RAEA, January 30, 2020 or so.
NES02/14/2020
Can you tell me what the "codename" of that organisation was called?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
I believe it was titled “Operation Hemdall” or something akin to that.
NES02/14/2020
Heimdall, yes
Did you speak with all 3 of the other individuals involved privately outside of this server?
And can I just say, sorry for the questioning, it will be over soon, and I immensely appreciate your co-operation - you're doing the right thing.
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
How do you mean?
And at the end of the day, I’m here to serve the Realm.
NES02/14/2020
nods
So yeah, you spoke with the other 3 privately outside of the server?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Like outside of the Hemdall server? Here on Balder supported servers?
NES02/14/2020
No personal conversations I mean
1 to 1
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
In DM’s?
I’m sorry
NES02/14/2020
Yes
DM's
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Yes.
NES02/14/2020
All 3?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Yes.
NES02/14/2020
Your on mobile atm?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Yes.
NES02/14/2020
Will you be on desktop any time in the near future?
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
No, but what do you need?
NES02/14/2020
Would it possible for you to furnish me with relevant, non-personal logs of your discussions in relation to these matters with those individuals?
Obviously that might require some editing in terms of removal of non-Balder related business.
Hence why it might not be possible to do on mobile.
Equally, if you have any conversations that are relevant to this matter, that you can obtain on mobile, that would be greatly appreciated.
NES02/14/2020
Anyway thanks for your time, lets talk again soon.
salutes
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
Here’s what I’d consider the most important:
NES02/14/2020
Have you got anything between you and Bowzin?
And thanks
dmofadriatican02/14/2020
I have to upload one by one, my internet is super slow
NES02/14/2020
Your doing great
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Thank you, Your Majesty.
NES02/15/2020
Send anything my way if you have anything from Bowzin or Eriadni that may shed any further light.
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
NES02/15/2020
Great
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
If I may ask, what are you going to do with these screenshots?
NES02/15/2020
Comparing them to what I already have at the moment is all :stuck_out_tongue:
I mean its all true, although you're all showing me slightly different bits, so piecing it together.
But I'm not getting the impression you are the problem here tbh.
You were led astray ultimately.
Anything of interest with Eriadni?
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Just this:
NES02/15/2020
Haha, cheers
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
So what’s going to happen to everyone?
NES02/15/2020
I think you're going to be okay.
I can't speak for everyone else Im afraid.
I want the best outcome for Balder.
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Of that I’m certain, but what punishment are you going to pursue for them?
NES02/15/2020
Its up to the Courts to enforce but most likely; Griffindor - treason and deception - I can't see how he can come back from this.
Eriadni is teetering on the brink, and you and Bowzin are ok.
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
I must ask His Majesty to come into the employ of the Royal Family, after this is all said and done, as I doubt I will be able to serve the government under Bowzin’s Statsministry.
NES02/15/2020
Go on?
Why would you not be able to serve?
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Griffindor is a mutual friend and colleague, and with him gone, or punished, the suspicion amongst those who shared the server with him, would create an untenable environment under which to be subordinate.
NES02/15/2020
Suspicion of what?
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Who said what, and was largely responsible for his punishment and this entire situation
NES02/15/2020
Well you said he was ringleader and he approached you initially.
And so has everyone else basically.
So its pretty obvious he was at the root of this.
Clearly he may have been a mutual friend and colleague, but he's committed treason and deception, and all 3 of the rest of you have independently named him as the ringleader, and given the others up.
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
I do understand, but the animosity will remain, in my opinion.
Creating an untenable Cabinet for anyone who was also involved.
However, if you’d rather me remain, and Bowzin intends to appoint me as Exchequer as was originally planned, then remain and serve I shall.
NES02/15/2020
Absolutely I would rather you remain.
And I hope we will have a many more productive and positive discussions in the future.
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
I have published a post condemning the former Talman and his acts, affirming and swearing loyalty to the Crown, and assuming the Talmany (retaining Aquila as Deputy since Bowzin’s statement insinuated you will not be prosecuting anyone but Griffindor)
If you approve of the statement, and me assuming the role of Acting Talman for the reminder of the Term, with Aquila as my Deputy, I humbly ask for a post affirming such, and the appropriate masking and authority as well.
NES02/15/2020
An excellent address. I'll make a formal response tomorrow. Thanks for your time. :thumbsup:
dmofadriatican02/15/2020
Thank you. I hope I can count on your support for my Talmany in said response, and across the remainder of the Term.
I look forward to putting this behind us, and building a fruitful and engaging region for our constituents.
When North East Somerset found out about the Heimdall server, he appears to have requested that its conspirators confess to treason and declare loyalty to the Crown. In exchange, the players would be granted immunity. This is ostensibly a legal requirement per section 3.1.b of the Criminal Code. The law, provided to me by North East Somerset, specifically states that “any party, upon having made a reasonable attempt in a timely fashion to disclose [information regarding treason], shall have impunity of this offense”. The law appears to read as though anyone who leaked the activities receives immunity, while those who did not leak it but chose to cooperate still do not receive immunity, because that would not be made in a “timely fashion” or be a “reasonable attempt” at all. They were given immunity regardless, likely in order to facilitate their cooperation.
North East Somerset wrote:Then, secondly, I just want to address a point from the "tell-all" interview with Bowzin on 16th Aug:Anyway, it wasn't until a little later that I created the Heimdall server, and at this point I had already decided I was going to expose the coup plot to NES [refers to North East Somerset]. I told him before creating the server, and told him I intended to create the server to keep an eye on them and gather more evidence. NES seemed pretty neutral at that point, not considering them a threat, or even considering it treason since it seemed more like they were trying to reform.
This is not correct. The first I knew of anything was Bowzin reporting generic unspecified "suspicious behaviour" of Griffindor on 29th January, to which I responded that it seemed strange as he's been with us for a long time. Bowzin said he would keep an eye on it, but made no mention of making a server. The first I knew of any server being created was when Bowzin sent me this screenshot on the 1st February, which was the one where Griffindor mentioned military action:
I then asked him for full text logs en masse, because I needed more context as "you might have started the discussion of securing the delegacy for all I know from the context of that screenshot". I then received a full download of logs from the server, which precipitated the full investigation and subsequent actions. So any concept of a "sting operation" is utterly false and easily disproveable from my perspective - should anyone have bothered to ask me in their quest for "truth". Although that didn't stop such a conspiracy theory becoming a whole paragraph of the original 4th Aug article;In this depiction of the events, Bowzin may have assisted North East Somerset to conduct a sting operation against those who may have been seen as a threat to the Crown. Bowzin would’ve found the players who he knew expressed anti-Balder opinions, feign sympathy and agreement, and proceed to suggest reform. It was Bowzin who recruited Aquila and Griffindor. It was Bowzin who formalized Operation Heimdall by creating the server. He simply had to bide his time until one of the players messed up. Bowzin then provided the direct message (i.e. just Bowzin and Griffindor) logs which were crucial in convicting Griffindor. This scenario possibly implicates not only King North East Somerset, but also Crown Prince Onderkelkia, the Arbiter in Griffindor’s trial, as he works closely with North East Somerset. That would make Griffindor’s trial phony and unfair.
The other scenario is that Griffindor or Aquila discussed reform with Bowzin, and, in what could only be called opportunism, Bowzin decided to inform North East Somerset of a “coup attempt”, intended to weaken the Crown. Bowzin created the Operation Heimdall server, formalizing the idea of reforming Balder. He then waited for Griffindor to slip up, and they would have the evidence to convict. As his plan had come to fruition, Bowzin informed North East Somerset of the coup attempt. In protecting North East Somerset’s power, Bowzin would’ve likely solidified trust from North East Somerset during the early days of his statsminister service. This is by far the most likely scenario, as it is devoid of wicked conspiring with questionable likelihood for success, and fits all the evidence perfectly. It is also a textbook case of opportunism consuming a player.
North East Somerset wrote:Again, just proving the point I started with. That this whole "journalistic endeavour" is little more than a shambolic and transparent smear attempt. One that has miserably failed, drowned in it's own inconsistencies between the testimony of different individuals involved in the plot - and failure to consult the Balder Crown following any of the publications, to allow it to refute any of the more fanciful allegations made against it, which it then chose to use as the central basis for its narratives.
by North East Somerset » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:51 pm
Bormiar wrote:As such, the articles portrays Adriatican as what he was -- a in-over-his-head, hyperbolic zealot -- when I speculated that he was Popular Front for United Balder (suggested to me by NES). I only actually brought up Adriatican's thoughts on the matter because Griffindor accused the Crown of blackmail or similar during his trial and using that quote as evidence. I said that Adriatican may have been exaggerating, which is essentially code for "Don't take this at face value!". I don't think anyone who read my article believed Adriatican. His claim was too obviously exaggerated.
Bormiar wrote:The part of this section that I can see NES being reasonably upset about is me writing "it is a major flaw of the judicial system in Balder that witnesses would be granted immunity in exchange for signing a statement that didn’t allow them to testify." Evidently, this claim was founded on a lie from Adriatican to Griffindor. Mea Culpa.
Bormiar wrote:They're both guilty. The Heimdall article shows Griffindor clearly planning a military coup, lying, and not refuting all of the defense's (prosecution's) evidence. Frankly, I think he's guilty of both treason and espionage, and I thought that was an obvious conclusion.
4th Aug article wrote:It is the story of a proponent of democracy making a bold, unlikely-to-succeed attempt at reforming his region via legislative means, who screwed up badly along the way. His first mistake was proposing a militaristic contingency plan. His second mistake was putting so much trust into an opportunist. He was not, however, a prospective couper.
by Bormiar » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:05 pm
North East Somerset wrote:Well that all appears very reasonable on the face of it, I'm just not sure your readers are drawing all the wise and sensible conclusions that you seemingly have, from these articles.
You claim that (pertinent point bolded):Bormiar wrote:As such, the articles portrays Adriatican as what he was -- a in-over-his-head, hyperbolic zealot -- when I speculated that he was Popular Front for United Balder (suggested to me by NES). I only actually brought up Adriatican's thoughts on the matter because Griffindor accused the Crown of blackmail or similar during his trial and using that quote as evidence. I said that Adriatican may have been exaggerating, which is essentially code for "Don't take this at face value!". I don't think anyone who read my article believed Adriatican. His claim was too obviously exaggerated.
But yet a distinguished member of TRR, and Senior Correspondant of The Rejected Times, the Church of Satan, appears to have absolutely taken Adriatican's points at face value here; https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=37546804#p37546804 Presumably if anyone could read through your "essentially code" style writing, a Senior Correspondant of this actual paper would be able to, yet he took it for fact.
The Church of Satan wrote:If I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) military action was a last resort option. He specifically stated he was first attempting to make change legally. To work within the system. Then of course opportunity came knocking. The information was leaked and the two ruling elite of Balder saw fit to (in their "benevolence") pardon the ones willing to go back to being professional suck-ups and yes men while the one of the three that actually was charged decided that groveling to NES and Onder in order to avoid punishment was too much of an indignity. Especially when it would have meant that nothing would change anyways. His career in Balder was most assuredly dead at that point either way because it had then been known that he was adamantly opposed to keeping the ineffective and inefficient system in place. For Bowzin it was a lose-lose situation. They didn't prevent a coup. They got rid of someone that actually wanted to help the region at the expense of the very people that have had their hands around its neck for so long.
North East Somerset wrote:Bormiar wrote:They're both guilty. The Heimdall article shows Griffindor clearly planning a military coup, lying, and not refuting all of the defense's (prosecution's) evidence. Frankly, I think he's guilty of both treason and espionage, and I thought that was an obvious conclusion.
Again, yes this is objectively true, and its nice to see you state this so plainly and unadultered now, but I'm not sure that the majority of the readers of the article would have come away with that as a clear conclusion from reading these articles. I'd remind you of the closing paragraph summarising the story;4th Aug article wrote:It is the story of a proponent of democracy making a bold, unlikely-to-succeed attempt at reforming his region via legislative means, who screwed up badly along the way. His first mistake was proposing a militaristic contingency plan. His second mistake was putting so much trust into an opportunist. He was not, however, a prospective couper.
Hmmm... I dunno, but it feels like the tone has changed a fair bit...
The simultaneous existence of lawful activities on the Heimdall server and in the conspirators' Discord DMs does not excuse the presence of unlawful activities alongside them. Obviously part of what was discussed between the plaintiff and his co-conspirators was lawful. The plaintiff points Your Lordship to those legal activities. The plaintiff and his co-conspirators discussed legal reforms to the government of Balder. However, as is proved beyond doubt by Defense Exhibit 1, the discussions involving the plaintiff were not confined to activities solely within the legal and constitutional framework of Balder. In addition to discussing legal reforms, the plaintiff also planned to secure control of the delegacy.
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