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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:12 am

Good morning! Long time no see. Not long enough, to be honest, but these things happen.

Just to clear up a few things I hear are of the utmost concern to some very bored people...

Yes, I was involved in whatever that thing was that Bowzin was doing in Balder.

No, I did not get anyone else I knew involved in it. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: Exshaw, Asgard, The North Pacific (okay, let's cut to the chase and say all the Pacifics), Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers), the UDL, the FRA, Spiritus, The Brotherhood of Malice, The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, The DEN, The Invaders, the Empire, Lone Wolves United (well, actually, I hear Evil Wolf was involved, so like, maybe Empire and LWU after all...) and... well, you get the idea. None of my friends were involved, defender, raider, or otherwise. As so many of you are by now so well aware, I have a tendency to do my own thing from time to time. When I want to be a defender, I become a defender. When I want to be a raider, I become a raider. And most certainly, when I want to annoy NES, I annoy NES. I don't consult a committee beforehand, and as per usual, I'm not sorry about it.

But now onto the thing I actually came back -- very briefly, I promise, I'm not back to stay -- to say.

Which is, why in Max Barry's bloated ad revenue check do any of you care what NES thinks or says?

He is the has-been Delegate of a washed up region which is part of a totally irrelevant group of regions in a game that is way past its prime and should have gone the way of the dinosaur sometime when George W. Bush was still President of the United States (those were the days, eh?). He has nothing diplomatically to offer except the endorsements he has just from sitting in a Sinker for a long time. He has nothing militarily to offer except the dwindling number of pilers the decaying imperialist sphere has on hand. Because he has so little to offer, he also has very little to threaten. Whatever pilers he might deign to taketh away in his fit of totally in-character paranoid delusions could be easily made up because, guess what, his whole sphere of regions hasn't actually been relevant in... how long has it even been now? It's been a while. Aside from that, all the pilers belong to regions that aren't Balder because, well, Balder doesn't really exist except on paper (hence why Bowzin was doing the thing). So it would have to be Europeia and The LKE that would yank their pilers away, and in order to do that they'd have to all finally admit they're basically all run by the same oligarchy of people. They hate admitting that. So your tiny little stock of pilers are safe without Balder, at least until NES can find some reason for Europeia and The LKE to get "independently" (every pun intended) mad at you, and even then you won't really be missing much. Nothing you can't make up on your own.

Point is, folks, why do any of you care what NES does? Or Onder or any of their other little minions. Why not beat him to the punch and just tell Balder to make like a banana and split? Granted, that would probably be a messy affair, because Balder would most certainly be a rotten decomposing banana and that's not a fun smell. Stock up on some Febreze, I guess. Is it emissions free? Idk.

So anyway, with that all cleared up now I will happily be ceasing to exist again 28 days from today. I'd like to say this has been fun but, much like the eight years I wasted on this game, it really hasn't been. I do appreciate that even in retirement I'm scaring the shit out of NES though. At least that's something.

In closing, let me just say: Execute Order 66. Dance, puppets, dance! Etc.

Until we meet again. <3

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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:13 am

Oh god no

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Postby North East Somerset » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:16 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Good morning! Long time no see. Not long enough, to be honest, but these things happen.

Just to clear up a few things I hear are of the utmost concern to some very bored people...

Yes, I was involved in whatever that thing was that Bowzin was doing in Balder.

No, I did not get anyone else I knew involved in it. This includes, but is not necessarily limited to: Exshaw, Asgard, The North Pacific (okay, let's cut to the chase and say all the Pacifics), Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers), the UDL, the FRA, Spiritus, The Brotherhood of Malice, The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, The DEN, The Invaders, the Empire, Lone Wolves United (well, actually, I hear Evil Wolf was involved, so like, maybe Empire and LWU after all...) and... well, you get the idea. None of my friends were involved, defender, raider, or otherwise. As so many of you are by now so well aware, I have a tendency to do my own thing from time to time. When I want to be a defender, I become a defender. When I want to be a raider, I become a raider. And most certainly, when I want to annoy NES, I annoy NES. I don't consult a committee beforehand, and as per usual, I'm not sorry about it.

But now onto the thing I actually came back -- very briefly, I promise, I'm not back to stay -- to say.

Which is, why in Max Barry's bloated ad revenue check do any of you care what NES thinks or says?

He is the has-been Delegate of a washed up region which is part of a totally irrelevant group of regions in a game that is way past its prime and should have gone the way of the dinosaur sometime when George W. Bush was still President of the United States (those were the days, eh?). He has nothing diplomatically to offer except the endorsements he has just from sitting in a Sinker for a long time. He has nothing militarily to offer except the dwindling number of pilers the decaying imperialist sphere has on hand. Because he has so little to offer, he also has very little to threaten. Whatever pilers he might deign to taketh away in his fit of totally in-character paranoid delusions could be easily made up because, guess what, his whole sphere of regions hasn't actually been relevant in... how long has it even been now? It's been a while. Aside from that, all the pilers belong to regions that aren't Balder because, well, Balder doesn't really exist except on paper (hence why Bowzin was doing the thing). So it would have to be Europeia and The LKE that would yank their pilers away, and in order to do that they'd have to all finally admit they're basically all run by the same oligarchy of people. They hate admitting that. So your tiny little stock of pilers are safe without Balder, at least until NES can find some reason for Europeia and The LKE to get "independently" (every pun intended) mad at you, and even then you won't really be missing much. Nothing you can't make up on your own.

Point is, folks, why do any of you care what NES does? Or Onder or any of their other little minions. Why not beat him to the punch and just tell Balder to make like a banana and split? Granted, that would probably be a messy affair, because Balder would most certainly be a rotten decomposing banana and that's not a fun smell. Stock up on some Febreze, I guess. Is it emissions free? Idk.

So anyway, with that all cleared up now I will happily be ceasing to exist again 28 days from today. I'd like to say this has been fun but, much like the eight years I wasted on this game, it really hasn't been. I do appreciate that even in retirement I'm scaring the shit out of NES though. At least that's something.

In closing, let me just say: Execute Order 66. Dance, puppets, dance! Etc.

Until we meet again. <3


*Cackles* This seems to have hit a nerve.

I think I'll decide who knew what, rather than take your word for it, if you don't mind.

Certainly now we know who is still talking to you.

Are you going to save your friends who apparently can't defend themselves without running to you for help, or are you committed to retirement?
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Postby Queen Yuno » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:08 am

Great writing as always XD
I don't really follow the context as I'm as out of the loop as you are, but I love how these types of posts mention many various NS regions and entities and nations, in NS. Everyone gets their place in NSGP RP Lore history.

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Postby Catalyse » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:02 am

Hey Cormac. :)

Cormactopia Prime wrote:[...] Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers) [...]

But what about TRR? :^)
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:04 am

Catalyse wrote:Hey Cormac. :)

Cormactopia Prime wrote:[...] Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers) [...]

But what about TRR? :^)

pats TRR will find its place in the world someday :P

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Postby Sail Nation » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:55 pm

Hey Cormac, never thought I'd see you again (I was a random nation in Thalassia while you were President - since then I've moved on to bigger things in a smaller region).

So what is this about Balder that everyone doesn't like? I hear all sorts of complaints here about them, I might even consult the NS history thread if I want some backstory, but also what has NES done wrong?

Hope you enjoy your retirement - if it will end up being that.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:45 pm

hi Cormac!

bye Cormac!

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Postby Toerana » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 pm

Catalyse wrote:Hey Cormac. :)

Cormactopia Prime wrote:[...] Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers) [...]

But what about TRR? :^)

He did say sinker not catcher :>

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Postby Ikania » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:07 pm

Just when we thought we'd gotten rid of you... :p
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Postby Bormiar » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:17 pm

Sail Nation wrote:Hey Cormac, never thought I'd see you again (I was a random nation in Thalassia while you were President - since then I've moved on to bigger things in a smaller region).

So what is this about Balder that everyone doesn't like? I hear all sorts of complaints here about them, I might even consult the NS history thread if I want some backstory, but also what has NES done wrong?

Hope you enjoy your retirement - if it will end up being that.

Read the interview that prompted this for info: viewtopic.php?p=37530019#p37530019

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Postby The Church of Satan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:03 pm

Sail Nation wrote:Hey Cormac, never thought I'd see you again (I was a random nation in Thalassia while you were President - since then I've moved on to bigger things in a smaller region).

So what is this about Balder that everyone doesn't like? I hear all sorts of complaints here about them, I might even consult the NS history thread if I want some backstory, but also what has NES done wrong?

Hope you enjoy your retirement - if it will end up being that.

Basically Balder is a dead fish that manages to let out NES' and Onderkelkia's low-toned zombie groans about how "great" it is. But then its corruption and inactivity was investigated and publicized so Onder came out of Balder's grave to say (in comparatively fewer words than usual) "Balder is amazing! Balder is amazing! I'm not an oligarch of a dead region! Check out my dead region!" Balder is amazing! Balder is amazing!"
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:46 pm

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Postby Onder Kelkia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:44 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:But then its corruption and inactivity was investigated and publicized so Onder came out of Balder's grave to say (in comparatively fewer words than usual) "Balder is amazing! Balder is amazing! I'm not an oligarch of a dead region! Check out my dead region!" Balder is amazing! Balder is amazing!"

You clearly have a vivid imagination, because my post earlier does not say any of that and I have made no other remarks on the subject.

What "corruption"? Despite TRR Times's "investigation", the only wrongful acts that I saw proved were: (1) Griffindor engaged in planning to use military force to unlawfully seize the Delegacy and (2) Bowzin entered and pursued a political career in Balder with the intent to coup in coordination with external actors. Both schemes were futile, but it is not like Balder's native leadership is paranoid - if Balder allowed it to happen, our enemies would undertake a coup. There was some hostile speculation, unsupported by any solid proof, in the first article, much of it refuted by the very next interview with Bowzin.

What exactly is it that justifies the venom of these attacks? That Balder is undemocratic? Putting aside the issue of if all regions should be democratic - and that Balder's institutions are (for better or worse) indisputably more democratic than than many other prominent regions - what seems to be the principal charge shared by most critics is that Balder is run by an oligarchy and outsiders cannot rise up. If that was true, then neither Griffindor nor Bowzin - both figures with origins in spheres well outside those of NES or me - would have attained their positions as Talman of the Odelsting or Statsminister. The fact is that, through the choices that they themselves made, both Griffindor and Bowzin's actions ruined their own ability to make a difference in Balder.

Balder has a monarchy and that monarchy acts as a safeguard which provides security and stability to the region. We do not deny that we have a monarchy or, particularly following the late-2019 referendum (as part of a package of reforms that Griffindor had a role in crafting as well as myself), that the monarchy has a significant role in the governance of the region. The monarchy is neither powerless, nor all-powerful. At times it almost seems as if some of our critics would prefer it if our monarchy was absolute and not constitutional. Within the framework of security provided by the monarchy, however, there are plenty of opportunities for politicians to democratically shape the future of Balder. It was interesting that individuals that Bowzin named in his interview as "inner circle" - in particular Fuzzy and Linkin - are among the Balder natives who have consistently contributed the most to domestic activity on Balder's forums, on top of being loyal to the region. It is not hard to see why hard work and loyalty pay off more than Grififndor or Bowzin's scheming.

Indeed, Bowzin's lack of work during his term as Statsminister was, in addition to his highly concerning role in the Heimdall affair, a large part of why the Odelsting (comprising all Balder's WA-member citizens) voted - by over two-thirds majority - to elect Fuzzy to take his place in an election in May. That kind of accountability for the Statsminister - delivered in a vote of the people of Balder, not any decision by NES or me - is what confirms Balder's status as a parliamentary democracy. The Statsminister - a position that I previously held for several terms, presiding over considerable domestic improvement when I did - is the job that has responsibility for the performance of Balder's government and it is a job for which there is democratic accountability. Balder has both democratic institutions and the demonstrated capacity for newer members like Vulturret in 2019 or Bowzin in 2020 to rise to the top within them.
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Postby Boda » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:57 pm

I cannot help but to point out that balders paranoia is now justified due to the regional meddling and the coup balder jokes in nsgp.
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Postby Apostate » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:17 pm

Balder: The Forgotten Hero

The only GCR not ruled by the same clique of nations.

Gee, I wonder why they are criticized constantly?

I read the article, I just didn't get the point. I mean, who cares about a failed coup attempt really, besides the c-conspirato....

Sorry I forgot whom the audience is reading this post. Here you have it Watson, another case of Tyranny by Majority in action!

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Postby Flanderlion » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:24 pm

Despite some of the supporters of Balder being bad, Balder is in the right here. They repelled a coup, why should they trust some of the failed coupers attempts to hide other coupers?

Sinkers in general aren't super active, and Balder has the highest delegate endorsements of the Sinkers, and essentially the 1st equal of number of WAs for the Sinkers. (TRR has more raw WAs but it's a Catcher)
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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:57 pm

Catalyse wrote:Hey Cormac. :)

Cormactopia Prime wrote:[...] Osiris (again, let's cut to the chase and say all the Sinkers) [...]

But what about TRR? :^)

I call anti-ADN bias! :p

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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:35 am

Flanderlion wrote:Despite some of the supporters of Balder being bad, Balder is in the right here. They repelled a coup, why should they trust some of the failed coupers attempts to hide other coupers?

Sinkers in general aren't super active, and Balder has the highest delegate endorsements of the Sinkers, and essentially the 1st equal of number of WAs for the Sinkers. (TRR has more raw WAs but it's a Catcher)

If I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) military action was a last resort option. He specifically stated he was first attempting to make change legally. To work within the system. Then of course opportunity came knocking. The information was leaked and the two ruling elite of Balder saw fit to (in their "benevolence") pardon the ones willing to go back to being professional suck-ups and yes men while the one of the three that actually was charged decided that groveling to NES and Onder in order to avoid punishment was too much of an indignity. Especially when it would have meant that nothing would change anyways. His career in Balder was most assuredly dead at that point either way because it had then been known that he was adamantly opposed to keeping the ineffective and inefficient system in place. For Bowzin it was a lose-lose situation. They didn't prevent a coup. They got rid of someone that actually wanted to help the region at the expense of the very people that have had their hands around its neck for so long.
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Postby Xoriet » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:57 am

The Church of Satan wrote:
Flanderlion wrote:Despite some of the supporters of Balder being bad, Balder is in the right here. They repelled a coup, why should they trust some of the failed coupers attempts to hide other coupers?

Sinkers in general aren't super active, and Balder has the highest delegate endorsements of the Sinkers, and essentially the 1st equal of number of WAs for the Sinkers. (TRR has more raw WAs but it's a Catcher)

If I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) military action was a last resort option. He specifically stated he was first attempting to make change legally. To work within the system. Then of course opportunity came knocking. The information was leaked and the two ruling elite of Balder saw fit to (in their "benevolence") pardon the ones willing to go back to being professional suck-ups and yes men while the one of the three that actually was charged decided that groveling to NES and Onder in order to avoid punishment was too much of an indignity. Especially when it would have meant that nothing would change anyways. His career in Balder was most assuredly dead at that point either way because it had then been known that he was adamantly opposed to keeping the ineffective and inefficient system in place. For Bowzin it was a lose-lose situation. They didn't prevent a coup. They got rid of someone that actually wanted to help the region at the expense of the very people that have had their hands around its neck for so long.

The law itself gave Bowzin immunity for reporting the attempt, while Griffindor’s refusal to cooperate and getting caught in lies did him no favors. If anything, it was a win situation for him given the law that granted him immunity. Also, you guys are unconditionally defending someone who would have supported a coup ultimately to get rid of people you don’t like. Just because Bowzin was fine with letting them take all the heat doesn’t make Griffindor the innocent hero of the story.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:55 pm

Xoriet wrote:The law itself gave Bowzin immunity for reporting the attempt, while Griffindor’s refusal to cooperate and getting caught in lies did him no favors. If anything, it was a win situation for him given the law that granted him immunity. Also, you guys are unconditionally defending someone who would have supported a coup ultimately to get rid of people you don’t like. Just because Bowzin was fine with letting them take all the heat doesn’t make Griffindor the innocent hero of the story.

A law that gives people a "get out of jail free" card for selling out their co-conspirators and bending a knee to the ruling party doesn't make it right. It just makes it legal. It doesn't make the law itself any less corrupt or supportive of a corrupt system that is frankly holding the region back. NES and Onder could easily bring positive change to the region if they wanted too. They don't have to give up all their power in order to do it but they do need to loosen their hands so the region can breathe.

I wouldn't say I don't like NES and Onder. Frankly I haven't had enough interactions (if any at all) with NES to like or dislike him/her. I don't dislike Onder either. Onder is just irrationally paranoid. In that respect Onder is no different than Fratt and Guy. That level of paranoia is just detrimental.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:11 am

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Xoriet wrote:The law itself gave Bowzin immunity for reporting the attempt, while Griffindor’s refusal to cooperate and getting caught in lies did him no favors. If anything, it was a win situation for him given the law that granted him immunity. Also, you guys are unconditionally defending someone who would have supported a coup ultimately to get rid of people you don’t like. Just because Bowzin was fine with letting them take all the heat doesn’t make Griffindor the innocent hero of the story.

A law that gives people a "get out of jail free" card for selling out their co-conspirators and bending a knee to the ruling party doesn't make it right. It just makes it legal. It doesn't make the law itself any less corrupt or supportive of a corrupt system that is frankly holding the region back. NES and Onder could easily bring positive change to the region if they wanted too. They don't have to give up all their power in order to do it but they do need to loosen their hands so the region can breathe.

I wouldn't say I don't like NES and Onder. Frankly I haven't had enough interactions (if any at all) with NES to like or dislike him/her. I don't dislike Onder either. Onder is just irrationally paranoid. In that respect Onder is no different than Fratt and Guy. That level of paranoia is just detrimental.


It doesn't seem like Onder is the paranoid one here, given you are literally just making up conspiracy theories about these things without any basis other than you think Balder is bad = the laws must be "corrupt".

The law you refer to was part of the original Criminal Code written in 2012, by a player called Cold Ice, someone who had no association with either Onder or myself. Nor did we have any role drafting it either, nor has any subsequent law changed the wording of the relevant clause.

For the record it states;

3.1.b) Any party, upon having made a reasonable attempt in a timely fashion to disclose such information, shall have impunity of this offense.


The Church of Satan wrote:If I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) military action was a last resort option. He specifically stated he was first attempting to make change legally. To work within the system. Then of course opportunity came knocking. The information was leaked and the two ruling elite of Balder saw fit to (in their "benevolence") pardon the ones willing to go back to being professional suck-ups and yes men while the one of the three that actually was charged decided that groveling to NES and Onder in order to avoid punishment was too much of an indignity. Especially when it would have meant that nothing would change anyways. His career in Balder was most assuredly dead at that point either way because it had then been known that he was adamantly opposed to keeping the ineffective and inefficient system in place. For Bowzin it was a lose-lose situation. They didn't prevent a coup. They got rid of someone that actually wanted to help the region at the expense of the very people that have had their hands around its neck for so long.


Nor is this remotely true. No one was offered immunity for being a "professional suck-up", that is entirely false. It wasn't a case of grovelling, nor was an apology ever requested, it was just a case that I gave everyone involved the opportunity to disclose who else was involved. They all took that up bar Griffindor, who initially denied there was a plot at all, and then lied about who was involved and what was discussed.

So all in all, it looks like your entire argument is baseless.
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:17 am

It’s funny watching NPO’s surrogates out in full force to defend Balder. The two GCRs with the lowest endorsement cap (NPO’s defense here of Balder doesn’t support their own endo cap). The two GCRs ruled by an outright authoritarian regime. The two GCRs with the poorest records in supporting Lazarene sovereignty. All democrats should take note.

We should all just support Balder’s enforcement of its laws, NPO says. The law is the law after all. This is the same region that’s been defending its Civil Code and the legitimacy of its Revolution (and denying responsibility for coups) since before some of you were born.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:41 am

Unibot III wrote:The two GCRs ruled by an outright authoritarian regime. The two GCRs with the poorest records in supporting Lazarene sovereignty. All democrats should take note.

We should all just support Balder’s enforcement of its laws, NPO says. The law is the law after all. This is the same region that’s been defending its Civil Code and the legitimacy of its Revolution (and denying responsibility for coups) since before some of you were born.


Whilst this is a transparent attempt to distract from my post above, I shall indulge it.

I would point out that how can both Balder and NPO both simoultaneously have the poorest records in supporting Lazarene sovereignty when they were on opposing sides of the Lazarus conflicts for most of the past decade.

And then, Unibot criticises NPO for respecting the laws of its ally. What would he have them do, not respect Balder’s right to enforce its own laws? If they did that, he'd criticise that too! It looks like no matter what NPO does, Unibot will criticise it.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:02 am

North East Somerset wrote: It looks like no matter what NPO does, Unibot will criticise it.

You've only clicked that now? He's been like that for years, once you read a Uniparagraph you've read them all :blush:
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