NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Let's be real here the Sharifistani horde hasn't got this thing called "discipline" and judging by their horrendous casualty numbers they are about as effective as the Mahdis were when faced with Maxims and state of the art field artillery at Omdurman.

[Purpelia]

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. All criminals are simply ill trained attempts at humanity that are best discarded at a garbage heap rather than accepted into society. Putting firearms in their hands is a recipe for disaster.

Are you serious?
Obama smoked weed in Uni, doesn’t mean he was an ineffective lawyer or statesman.
And people can be sent to county jail for that, getting a criminal record

He is the guy that won a nobel peace prize and than started a war. Do I need to provide commentary?

[Ideal Britain]

Let's be real here the Sharifistani horde hasn't got this thing called "discipline" and judging by their horrendous casualty numbers they are about as effective as the Mahdis were when faced with Maxims and state of the art field artillery at Omdurman.

The difference is they have better technology and strategy than the Madhists.
The casualties were high because they were replaceable.
Also the Sharifistani Armed Forces are disciplined except for the fact that they gamble.

And even then when explicitly ordered not to either gamble or womanise as part of the strategy (during the Danistarab campaign, to avoid offending their local Islamist allies) they don’t.

[Gallia-]

Let's be real here the Sharifistani horde hasn't got this thing called "discipline" and judging by their horrendous casualty numbers they are about as effective as the Mahdis were when faced with Maxims and state of the art field artillery at Omdurman.

just stop replying to him lol

he's literally like 14 just add him to ignore and move on

[The New California Republic]

Except the job that you seem to want to give them involves them having access to heavy weapons.

True but people with misdemeanour convictions can own firearms in both the UK and USA and that’s for owning than rather than bearing them subject to strict military discipline.

"May have a gun" is entirely different from "will have access to heavy weapons"...

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Let's be real here the Sharifistani horde hasn't got this thing called "discipline" and judging by their horrendous casualty numbers they are about as effective as the Mahdis were when faced with Maxims and state of the art field artillery at Omdurman.

just stop replying to him lol

he's literally like 14 just add him to ignore and move on

I’m 18.

[Mitheldalond]

Idea for a new weapon system for modern fighters: ASW pods. Basically to turn (almost) any modern fighter into an anti-sub aircraft, since dedicated long-range platforms like the S-2 Tracker or S-3 Viking don't really exist anymore. Mostly intended for carrier-based aircraft; helicopters like the SH/MH-60 are fine for defending a carrier group, but really lack the range and endurance if you need to support a different allied formation (say, another carrier group) farther away.

The system would consist of two or more pods: 1-2 for sonobuoys, and another containing the equipment to allow the aircraft to interface/communicate with the buoys, plus a towed MAD array (like on the SH-60B). The later might have to be two seperate pods depending on how much room the sonobuoy interface equipment takes up, and on the aircraft carrying it. As it turns out, a typical sonobuoy (A-size; 36 in x 4.875 in) is about the same size as a BLU-108 submunition (31 in x 5.25 in), of which the CBU-97 cluster bomb carries 10. So two pods about the size of a CBU-97 (or one larger pod) would get you 20 sonobuoys. The aircraft would also carry ASW torpedoes like the Mk 46, which (I assume) would be parachute deployed.

An installation for say, an F-15E Strike Eagle would perhaps carry two sonobuoy pods - one on each wing pylon, an interface/MAD pod on the centerline fuselage hardpoint, and four torpedoes on the front and back fuselage hardpoints. It would still be able to carry four AAMs on the side rails on the wing pylons.

This would probably be best for two-seat fighters (with a weapon system officer) since the pilot is most likely too busy flying at wave top height to also be keeping track of a bunch of sonobuoys and a MAD array.

Thoughts?

[The New California Republic]

Idea for a new weapon system for modern fighters: ASW pods. Basically to turn (almost) any modern fighter into an anti-sub aircraft, since dedicated long-range platforms like the S-2 Tracker or S-3 Viking don't really exist anymore. Mostly intended for carrier-based aircraft; helicopters like the SH/MH-60 are fine for defending a carrier group, but really lack the range and endurance if you need to support a different allied formation (say, another carrier group) farther away.

The system would consist of two or more pods: 1-2 for sonobuoys, and another containing the equipment to allow the aircraft to interface/communicate with the buoys, plus a towed MAD array (like on the SH-60B). The later might have to be two seperate pods depending on how much room the sonobuoy interface equipment takes up, and on the aircraft carrying it. As it turns out, a typical sonobuoy (A-size; 36 in x 4.875 in) is about the same size as a BLU-108 submunition (31 in x 5.25 in), of which the CBU-97 cluster bomb carries 10. So two pods about the size of a CBU-97 (or one larger pod) would get you 20 sonobuoys. The aircraft would also carry ASW torpedoes like the Mk 46, which (I assume) would be parachute deployed.

An installation for say, an F-15E Strike Eagle would perhaps carry two sonobuoy pods - one on each wing pylon, an interface/MAD pod on the centerline fuselage hardpoint, and four torpedoes on the front and back fuselage hardpoints. It would still be able to carry four AAMs on the side rails on the wing pylons.

This would probably be best for two-seat fighters (with a weapon system officer) since the pilot is most likely too busy flying at wave top height to also be keeping track of a bunch of sonobuoys and a MAD array.

Thoughts?

Fighters aren't really designed for loitering persistently over an area at fairly low speeds while searching for subs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Idea for a new weapon system for modern fighters: ASW pods. Basically to turn (almost) any modern fighter into an anti-sub aircraft, since dedicated long-range platforms like the S-2 Tracker or S-3 Viking don't really exist anymore. Mostly intended for carrier-based aircraft; helicopters like the SH/MH-60 are fine for defending a carrier group, but really lack the range and endurance if you need to support a different allied formation (say, another carrier group) farther away.

The system would consist of two or more pods: 1-2 for sonobuoys, and another containing the equipment to allow the aircraft to interface/communicate with the buoys, plus a towed MAD array (like on the SH-60B). The later might have to be two seperate pods depending on how much room the sonobuoy interface equipment takes up, and on the aircraft carrying it. As it turns out, a typical sonobuoy (A-size; 36 in x 4.875 in) is about the same size as a BLU-108 submunition (31 in x 5.25 in), of which the CBU-97 cluster bomb carries 10. So two pods about the size of a CBU-97 (or one larger pod) would get you 20 sonobuoys. The aircraft would also carry ASW torpedoes like the Mk 46, which (I assume) would be parachute deployed.

An installation for say, an F-15E Strike Eagle would perhaps carry two sonobuoy pods - one on each wing pylon, an interface/MAD pod on the centerline fuselage hardpoint, and four torpedoes on the front and back fuselage hardpoints. It would still be able to carry four AAMs on the side rails on the wing pylons.

This would probably be best for two-seat fighters (with a weapon system officer) since the pilot is most likely too busy flying at wave top height to also be keeping track of a bunch of sonobuoys and a MAD array.

Thoughts?

Acquire Common Support Aircraft or a flying boat with air air refuelling capability instead.

[New Vihenia]

Idea for a new weapon system for modern fighters: ASW pods. Basically to turn (almost) any modern fighter into an anti-sub aircraft, since dedicated long-range platforms like the S-2 Tracker or S-3 Viking don't really exist anymore. Mostly intended for carrier-based aircraft; helicopters like the SH/MH-60 are fine for defending a carrier group, but really lack the range and endurance if you need to support a different allied formation (say, another carrier group) farther away.

The system would consist of two or more pods: 1-2 for sonobuoys, and another containing the equipment to allow the aircraft to interface/communicate with the buoys, plus a towed MAD array (like on the SH-60B). The later might have to be two seperate pods depending on how much room the sonobuoy interface equipment takes up, and on the aircraft carrying it. As it turns out, a typical sonobuoy (A-size; 36 in x 4.875 in) is about the same size as a BLU-108 submunition (31 in x 5.25 in), of which the CBU-97 cluster bomb carries 10. So two pods about the size of a CBU-97 (or one larger pod) would get you 20 sonobuoys. The aircraft would also carry ASW torpedoes like the Mk 46, which (I assume) would be parachute deployed.

An installation for say, an F-15E Strike Eagle would perhaps carry two sonobuoy pods - one on each wing pylon, an interface/MAD pod on the centerline fuselage hardpoint, and four torpedoes on the front and back fuselage hardpoints. It would still be able to carry four AAMs on the side rails on the wing pylons.

This would probably be best for two-seat fighters (with a weapon system officer) since the pilot is most likely too busy flying at wave top height to also be keeping track of a bunch of sonobuoys and a MAD array.

Thoughts?

Sounds like Su-32.

The Russians at one point desired to fashion Su-34 for a Survivable MPA. Long tailsting will carry the MAD, centerlines for sonobuoys, Khisnik (V004) Radar adopted for maritime strike/patrol role. and AAM's just in case a close encounter with NATO fighters.

[Gallia-]

It would be a good naval strike fighter.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

alternatively just drop nucc depth charges with guidance from your MPA

[Snoodum]

Hello everyone. First time posting but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me if the Ares APC used by the British Army could take an RPG to the side on the part that carries the soldiers. I'm thinking of basing my government cars with those little flags out front around the Ares given I'm roleplaying a Psychotic dictatorship and all. Thanks for any feedback!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ares APC used by the British Army could take an RPG to the side on the part that carries the soldiers.

No. It will explode and die.

[The New California Republic]

Hello everyone. First time posting but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me if the Ares APC used by the British Army could take an RPG to the side on the part that carries the soldiers. I'm thinking of basing my government cars with those little flags out front around the Ares given I'm roleplaying a Psychotic dictatorship and all. Thanks for any feedback!

You could put BAR armour on it to short out the piezo fuse on the RPG...

[New Vihenia]

I assume even a sub-Kilotonne nuclear warhead will still leave considerable radiation signature ? Is it true ?.

[The Akasha Colony]

Hello everyone. First time posting but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me if the Ares APC used by the British Army could take an RPG to the side on the part that carries the soldiers. I'm thinking of basing my government cars with those little flags out front around the Ares given I'm roleplaying a Psychotic dictatorship and all. Thanks for any feedback!

It can if properly armored. But dictators generally do not prefer to ride around in such vehicles for a number of good reasons.

[The New California Republic]

I assume even a sub-Kilotonne nuclear warhead will still leave considerable radiation signature ? Is it true ?.

Yes it'll likely still be picked up by gamma detectors.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I assume even a sub-Kilotonne nuclear warhead will still leave considerable radiation signature ? Is it true ?.

Yes it'll likely still be picked up by gamma detectors.

What if you blow it up 200 meters under the water? *thonking*

[Triplebaconation]

I assume even a sub-Kilotonne nuclear warhead will still leave considerable radiation signature ? Is it true ?.

Depends.

[Austrasien]

Idea for a new weapon system for modern fighters: ASW pods. Basically to turn (almost) any modern fighter into an anti-sub aircraft, since dedicated long-range platforms like the S-2 Tracker or S-3 Viking don't really exist anymore. Mostly intended for carrier-based aircraft; helicopters like the SH/MH-60 are fine for defending a carrier group, but really lack the range and endurance if you need to support a different allied formation (say, another carrier group) farther away.

The system would consist of two or more pods: 1-2 for sonobuoys, and another containing the equipment to allow the aircraft to interface/communicate with the buoys, plus a towed MAD array (like on the SH-60B). The later might have to be two seperate pods depending on how much room the sonobuoy interface equipment takes up, and on the aircraft carrying it. As it turns out, a typical sonobuoy (A-size; 36 in x 4.875 in) is about the same size as a BLU-108 submunition (31 in x 5.25 in), of which the CBU-97 cluster bomb carries 10. So two pods about the size of a CBU-97 (or one larger pod) would get you 20 sonobuoys. The aircraft would also carry ASW torpedoes like the Mk 46, which (I assume) would be parachute deployed.

An installation for say, an F-15E Strike Eagle would perhaps carry two sonobuoy pods - one on each wing pylon, an interface/MAD pod on the centerline fuselage hardpoint, and four torpedoes on the front and back fuselage hardpoints. It would still be able to carry four AAMs on the side rails on the wing pylons.

This would probably be best for two-seat fighters (with a weapon system officer) since the pilot is most likely too busy flying at wave top height to also be keeping track of a bunch of sonobuoys and a MAD array.

Thoughts?

https://navalnews.net/predator-b-used-i ... nstration/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzlTkXR9BEU
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... v-revealed

Fighters are a poor choice because you will need a fairly large number of fighters to keep even one in the air at all times. Especially if they are assigned somewhere a significant distance from their base of operations.

[Arkandros]

I assume even a sub-Kilotonne nuclear warhead will still leave considerable radiation signature ? Is it true ?.

Lower yield weapons are actually harder to get a “cleaner” burn of fuel on, largely based on the isotope decay chain and incomplete utilization as a single stage weapon. If you want to minimize post detonation contamination/fission products, you’ll want to look at the decay chain to stability, then multiply the sum of the chain’s half lives by 5 to estimate how long it will take to be safe to occupy the area, or by 10 to estimate how long that chain will be detectable.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Can Travellers or Romani make good soldiers?

I think they can but in this RP some guy said they would all steal from civilians and desert. I thought that sounded racist.

[Crookfur]

Can Travellers or Romani make good soldiers?

I think they can but in this RP some guy said they would all steal from civilians and desert. I thought that sounded racist.

Roflcopter

[Gallia-]

Can Travellers or Romani make good soldiers?

I think they can but in this RP some guy said they would all steal from civilians and desert. I thought that sounded racist.

It's probably right.

Gypsies/Roma communities have been hotbeds of petty crime since they arrived in Eastern Europe in the 1000's.

Can Travellers or Romani make good soldiers?

I think they can but in this RP some guy said they would all steal from civilians and desert. I thought that sounded racist.

Roflcopter

The virgin FOBbit vs the Chad Wandering Free Company.