NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Immoren]

I am reading this book about history of cadre NCO/Junior leadership in Finnish military and I wonder how common it's been in other countries with cadre/conscription system that part of cadre NCO's basic education is to bring them up patch up their civilian education if it's been spotty. Well in Form of crash course and even then it seems to have been at level that's just before high school/gymnasium and nothing fancy. Because education was laxer and shorter even in first half of 1900. lol

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Unlike a certain other weapon for speshul forces a nail gun doesn't punch through the front of a BMP-2.

Oh, special forces would definitely have way better weapons at their disposal than a nail gun, yeah. The nail gun for me just didn't seem like something which would be used by a regular soldier so it was one of the guesses.

A pistol firing 9 mm PB would probs have:
1. Better range
2. Far higher lethality

[Ideal Britain]

How can prisons turn criminals into good potential soldiers?

For reference Colchester Barracks turns military offenders into disciplined soldiers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23793619 But how could a civilian prison do that?

[Dayganistan]

How can prisons turn criminals into good potential soldiers?

For reference Colchester Barracks turns military offenders into disciplined soldiers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23793619 But how could a civilian prison do that?

That's not and should not be the point of a civilian prison. The point of a civilian prison is to reform people to participate in civilian society. They are not sources of bodies to throw at your problems.

[Ideal Britain]

How can prisons turn criminals into good potential soldiers?

For reference Colchester Barracks turns military offenders into disciplined soldiers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23793619 But how could a civilian prison do that?

That's not and should not be the point of a civilian prison. The point of a civilian prison is to reform people to participate in civilian society. They are not sources of bodies to throw at your problems.

It is to reform them but why not reform them to participate in military society?
The British Army accepts ex-convicts for some crimes if it was years ago or they can prove they’ve reformed and most marines in the ‘90s Gulf War needed criminal history waivers.

[Ideal Britain]

Are Rastafarians likely to be bad soldiers?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That's not and should not be the point of a civilian prison. The point of a civilian prison is to reform people to participate in civilian society. They are not sources of bodies to throw at your problems.

It is to reform them but why not reform them to participate in military society?
The British Army accepts ex-convicts for some crimes if it was years ago or they can prove they’ve reformed and most marines in the ‘90s Gulf War needed criminal history waivers.

Why don't you go toddle off to your own "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers??????????????????" thread?

[Ideal Britain]

It is to reform them but why not reform them to participate in military society?
The British Army accepts ex-convicts for some crimes if it was years ago or they can prove they’ve reformed and most marines in the ‘90s Gulf War needed criminal history waivers.

Why don't you go toddle off to your own "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers??????????????????" thread?

I never said career criminal,
I’m mostly talking about dumb kids, first time offenders etc.
or habitual but petty young criminals.
See the link,
Colchester shows criminals can be reformed and made to be good soldiers

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why don't you go toddle off to your own "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers??????????????????" thread?

I never said career criminal,
I’m mostly talking about dumb kids, first time offenders etc.
or habitual but petty young criminals.
See the link,
Colchester shows criminals can be reformed and made to be good soldiers

Every time you try to argue this the questionmarks behind "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers..." grows logarithmically.

[Dayganistan]

So most contemporary, non stealth fighter aircraft (I.e. Super Hornet Block III, Rafale, Gripen E, Eurofighter, Su-35, F-16V) all seem roughly equivalent to each other in capabilities. What are the specific factors a nation would look for when trying to select one over the other? I know cost and compatibility with existing stocks of weaponry is a big one. And obviously international politics would prevent certain countries from purchasing certain aircraft. But is there anything else that would lead a nation to pick one of these aircraft over the other or does it really just boil down to cost when they're all so similar in capability and the biggest difference is a couple thousand pounds of weapons payload or a couple hundred kilometers of range.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Procurement in 2020 irl is 99% politics, 90% corruption and maybe 0.1% actual need. Of course you could have rational military actors requesting what they actually need and getting it in a timely and not too expensive manner in your fictional country instead.

[Triplebaconation]

When the special forces sneak into your bunker and hang a lot of drywall

[Gallia-]

i swear there was a door here where did it go hmmmstve

[The New California Republic]

Why don't you go toddle off to your own "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers??????????????????" thread?

I never said career criminal,
I’m mostly talking about dumb kids, first time offenders etc.
or habitual but petty young criminals.
See the link,
Colchester shows criminals can be reformed and made to be good soldiers

...didn't you ask about turning criminals into soldiers about a month back? Why are you asking again?

[Purpelia]

Why don't you go toddle off to your own "Can Career Criminals be Soldiers??????????????????" thread?

I never said career criminal,
I’m mostly talking about dumb kids, first time offenders etc.
or habitual but petty young criminals.
See the link,
Colchester shows criminals can be reformed and made to be good soldiers

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. All criminals are simply ill trained attempts at humanity that are best discarded at a garbage heap rather than accepted into society. Putting firearms in their hands is a recipe for disaster.

[Austrasien]

So most contemporary, non stealth fighter aircraft (I.e. Super Hornet Block III, Rafale, Gripen E, Eurofighter, Su-35, F-16V) all seem roughly equivalent to each other in capabilities. What are the specific factors a nation would look for when trying to select one over the other? I know cost and compatibility with existing stocks of weaponry is a big one. And obviously international politics would prevent certain countries from purchasing certain aircraft. But is there anything else that would lead a nation to pick one of these aircraft over the other or does it really just boil down to cost when they're all so similar in capability and the biggest difference is a couple thousand pounds of weapons payload or a couple hundred kilometers of range.

The most important considerations in modern international procurement contests are generally:

• Who can provide the most benefits to local industry through jobs and technology transfers
• What political benefits can the maker provide
• How many bribes are paid (not being flippant here there is substantial evidence of gross corruption in international procurement)

[Small Calibre Automatics]

Bullpup weapons platform. Some basing off the AR line and the AUG line. 6.8x55mm. GP, AP, API.

Special forces use exosuits and subsonic heavy calibre rifles, alongside thermobaric explosives and long distance hypersonic guided rifles.

[Ideal Britain]

I never said career criminal,
I’m mostly talking about dumb kids, first time offenders etc.
or habitual but petty young criminals.
See the link,
Colchester shows criminals can be reformed and made to be good soldiers

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. All criminals are simply ill trained attempts at humanity that are best discarded at a garbage heap rather than accepted into society. Putting firearms in their hands is a recipe for disaster.

Are you serious?
Obama smoked weed in Uni, doesn’t mean he was an ineffective lawyer or statesman.
And people can be sent to county jail for that, getting a criminal record

[Gallia-]

Yeah, the reasons for Obama's ineffectiveness as a lawyer and statesman are probably unrelated to smoking one weed. One awkward joint later and he probably skidaddled back to his dorm for another 6 months to hide out reading books or whatever. Good thing he didn't join the army otherwise he might have been exposed as a weak leader early on.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If one makes a habit of criminality one would probs be better off consigned by the courts to hard labour for life tbh since clearly one is too dumb to obey rules followed by literally everybody else not a criminal.

[Ideal Britain]

If one makes a habit of criminality one would probs be better off consigned by the courts to hard labour for life tbh since clearly one is too dumb to obey rules followed by literally everybody else not a criminal.

Being dumb in that sense is possible to change,
Especially if one is given a job.

[The New California Republic]

If one makes a habit of criminality one would probs be better off consigned by the courts to hard labour for life tbh since clearly one is too dumb to obey rules followed by literally everybody else not a criminal.

Being dumb in that sense is possible to change,
Especially if one is given a job.

Except the job that you seem to want to give them involves them having access to heavy weapons.

[Gallia-]

"Confined sweatshop laborer" literally is a job.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Being dumb in that sense is possible to change,
Especially if one is given a job.

Except the job that you seem to want to give them involves them having access to heavy weapons.

True but people with misdemeanour convictions can own firearms in both the UK and USA and that’s for owning than rather than bearing them subject to strict military discipline.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Yeah, the reasons for Obama's ineffectiveness as a lawyer and statesman are probably unrelated to smoking one weed. One awkward joint later and he probably skidaddled back to his dorm for another 6 months to hide out reading books or whatever. Good thing he didn't join the army otherwise he might have been exposed as a weak leader early on.

Ineffective lawyer?