UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[The Nihilistic view]

Better is based human decency and empathy which is the same except it doesn't apply to anyone who is cringe.

Thing is - what is cringe? From my perspective it is a matter of subjectivity.

Also cringe is probably the most cringe word.

Stop it you're making me cringe.......

[Hurdergaryp]

Thing is - what is cringe? From my perspective it is a matter of subjectivity.

Also cringe is probably the most cringe word.

Stop it you're making me cringe.......

Now you know how that flag of yours makes us feel.

[Nuroblav]

Stop it you're making me cringe.......

Just wait till we drop the word beginning with m that shall not be named...

Now you know how that flag of yours makes us feel.

Perhaps Boris is simply a modern art enthusiast, which would be fair enough.

[Vassenor]

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

So prove that moving right and abandoning policies people like will get the party elected.

[Souseiseki]

you've combined death penalty and life sentence into one category when these are obviously two very different things. please provide actual figures and the wording of the questions used to get those figures.

though you're right in that whether or not the british public are based or unbased on any given issue once the government has made its mind up what the public wants is irrelevant.

When you compare how far the death penalty is to locking them up and throwing away the key, and then how far that is to the current policy on paedos where they get like two years in prison, the difference is minuscule. Here you go, from twenty years ago but I can't find any others. also check this out

a 20 year poll is useless because afaik the trend in the UK is that support for the death penalty has ebbed up and down over the years but has been on a downward trend long term.

when asked the public tend to support the worst possible punishment for the worst possible version of a crime which does not reflect the reality of most cases. this is made worse by decades of tough on crime rhetoric which has inflated people's ideas of what is and is not justice. when left to their own devices they will come up with all sorts of things like quotas for rape prosecutions, three strikes laws which get you life sentences for stealing a donut, double digit mandatory minimums for everything under the sun and generally other ideas that will utterly break the justice system that they're not even willing to pay for. so the rhetoric of "the people want this, why won't the government give them it?!" has always been massively undersimplified. it's obviously a massive vote winner, so why don't they do it? because it's not actually feasible.

[Souseiseki]

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.

Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.

You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.

i mean if you wanna go into full spicy territory all ideologies are excuses for social control except for the libertarian ones whose adherents want less control because they think they'll be the unconstrained kings. even the so called liberal democracies, when examined, are ravenous and ruthless social engineering machines that mercilessly hound wrongthinkers.

[-Ra-]

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

So prove that moving right and abandoning policies people like will get the party elected.

Let me introduce you to a fellow by the name of Tony Blair, and to a little thing called New Labour...

[Vassenor]

So prove that moving right and abandoning policies people like will get the party elected.

Let me introduce you to a fellow by the name of Tony Blair, and to a little thing called New Labour...

That was twenty years ago. You need to stop living in the past when we're talking about the here and now.

[Souseiseki]

So prove that moving right and abandoning policies people like will get the party elected.

Let me introduce you to a fellow by the name of Tony Blair, and to a little thing called New Labour...

new labour lead directly to the collapse of the labour vote in scotland and northern england and subsequently brexit. though admittedly you could probably blame a lot of that on legitimate right-wing zealots tanking their own party because they don't want a left-wing government.

[Hurdergaryp]

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.


Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.

Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.

You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.

i mean if you wanna go into full spicy territory all ideologies are excuses for social control except for the libertarian ones whose adherents want less control because they think they'll be the unconstrained kings. even the so called liberal democracies, when examined, are ravenous and ruthless social engineering machines that mercilessly hound wrongthinkers.

Say what you want, but -Ra- is the spiciest newcomer I have seen today, effortlessly owning us all and claiming this territory as his own. He's, like, so smart and intimidating!

[Vassenor]

i mean if you wanna go into full spicy territory all ideologies are excuses for social control except for the libertarian ones whose adherents want less control because they think they'll be the unconstrained kings. even the so called liberal democracies, when examined, are ravenous and ruthless social engineering machines that mercilessly hound wrongthinkers.

Say what you want, but -Ra- is the spiciest newcomer I have seen today, effortlessly owning us all and claiming this territory as his own. He's, like, so smart and intimidating!

And all because they were expected to explain the Conservatives' positions on LGBT rights and how privatisation is always a good thing.

[Hirota]

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

Labour under Corbyn and its Adherence to identity politics is not correlative with Marxism.

Marx argued revolutions can only be successful if oppressed classes become sufficiently unified to be able to outnumber and overcome those in power. Identity politics is decisive and arguably counter to marx - after all, how can the workers unite across racial lines if today’s anti-racist movement is right that the lived experiences of black and white people are so totally different? And if white workers are inherently racist, why would black workers want to join with them?

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

If Labour needs to move right, why were its policies at the last election popular when given to people blind?

U.K. voters want Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘radical’ change. They’re not sure they want him.

Labour economic policies are popular, so why aren’t Labour?

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.

Things such as basic human decency and empathy?

Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.

Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.

You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.

Fascists do care for their community, just in their own way and often with a very specific definition of that community. If they wanted real 'social control' they would support the universalising liberal individualist order you (and the Jacobins you talk about in your factbook, lol) support.

[Souseiseki]

How popular something is matters for shit if you can't get fucking elected mate. Some Labour policies are popular, but Marxists aren't electable in liberal democracies.


Fascists and Marxists will pretend to care about things like building a better world. Fascists will rope you into their ideology by assuring you that they just want what's best for their people. Marxists will feign concern about the poor and "human decency" because presumably people care about that.

Of course, fascists don't actually care about the strength of the community and Marxists don't actually care about the poor or human decency. Both of these ideologies have historically been predicated on the murder of millions of people. Fascism and communism are just excuses for social control.

You don't actually care about human decency or empathy.

Fascists do care for their community, just in their own way and often with a very specific definition of that community. If they wanted real 'social control' they would support the universalising liberal individualist order you (and the Jacobins you talk about in your factbook, lol) support.

ah yes liberal individualist social control

[-Ra-]

Labour under Corbyn and its Adherence to identity politics is not correlative with Marxism.

Marx argued revolutions can only be successful if oppressed classes become sufficiently unified to be able to outnumber and overcome those in power. Identity politics is decisive and arguably counter to marx - after all, how can the workers unite across racial lines if today’s anti-racist movement is right that the lived experiences of black and white people are so totally different? And if white workers are inherently racist, why would black workers want to join with them?

Corbyn didn't on identity politics. Thankfully, identity politics is less common here than across the pond it seems to me.

Corbyn is an avowed Marxist who has been on record praising Marx.

[Vassenor]

And how are we defining "identity politics" today?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The only people truly celebrating privatisations of everything are the CPC Chairmen residing in Peking as they buy up ever greater portions of the British industrial sphere. And when you've been ruling the country like it was the Ancien Regime of France in 1789 maybe the popularity of Marxism is not so surprising.

[Jedi Council]

And how are we defining "identity politics" today?

Its bandied about so much and with such ignorance it has basically lost all meaning.

[The New California Republic]

Fascists do care for their community, just in their own way and often with a very specific definition of that community. If they wanted real 'social control' they would support the universalising liberal individualist order you (and the Jacobins you talk about in your factbook, lol) support.

ah yes liberal individualist social control

Yeah bit of a weird contradiction on his part.

[-Ra-]

The only people truly celebrating privatisations of everything are the CPC Chairmen residing in Peking as they buy up ever greater portions of the British industrial sphere. And when you've been ruling the country like it was the Ancien Regime of France in 1789 maybe the popularity of Marxism is not so surprising.

Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...

... has worked nowhere

... has killed millions of people

... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.

Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.

[Vassenor]

The only people truly celebrating privatisations of everything are the CPC Chairmen residing in Peking as they buy up ever greater portions of the British industrial sphere. And when you've been ruling the country like it was the Ancien Regime of France in 1789 maybe the popularity of Marxism is not so surprising.

Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...

... has worked nowhere

... has killed millions of people

... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.

Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.

But that's enough about Capitalism.

[-Ra-]

Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...

... has worked nowhere

... has killed millions of people

... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.

Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.

But that's enough about Capitalism.

I like how you criticise capitalism and yet are able to use this site on a computer that all exist because of capitalism.

If you want to stay true to the revolution you should buy computers from Venezuela

[The New California Republic]

I like how you criticise capitalism and yet are able to use this site on a computer that all exist because of capitalism.

If you want to stay true to the revolution you should buy computers from Venezuela

Yes, we should transition into an economic system that...

... has worked nowhere

... has killed millions of people

... is associated with some of the world's most brutal dictatorships.

Also tfw you compare modern Britain to the Ancien Regime and don't understand how good you have it as a British citizen living in one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

Some people (cough cough Labour) are rather entitled in this country.

Many of your posts consist of railing against the Left. Please don't try to turn this thread into that please.

[-Ra-]

Many of your posts consist of railing against the Left. Please don't try to turn this thread into that please.

"Please do not challenge my political opinions thank you"

[The New California Republic]

Many of your posts consist of railing against the Left. Please don't try to turn this thread into that please.

"Please do not challenge my political opinions thank you"

No, that's not it at all. I really don't give a shit if you challenge political opinions, just don't drift into threadjack while you are doing it, thanks.