What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Jakker]

I’m sure calling the voting population "cringe" is a great way to win them over

They don't care about winning them over. Leftists believe in slaughtering people who disagree with them to create paradises like the Soviet Union or Pol Pot's Cambodia.

That takes things a bit too far. *** Warned for Trolling (All X are Y) ***

[US-SSR]

It amuses me to no end that only third party voters get two votes. To Biden supporters, they’re backing trump, and to trump supporters they’re backing Biden.

Kinda preaching to the choir.

Roughly 51% of American voters want Biden and 48% want Trump. Convince one group of those 150 million Americans to vote for a third party candidate and we're in business.

... Maybe find a third party candidate that doesn't suck.

You might could update your figures there scout, according to fivethirtyeight.com it's more like 50-42 and third parties are polling in the sub-1% range. This is not Burger King people, you can't have it your way, sorry but them's the breaks. A vote for a third party candidate or a no-vote is a vote for the winner, whether that's Biden or Trump.

[Fahran]

You might could update your figures there scout, according to fivethirtyeight.com it's more like 50-42 and third parties are polling in the sub-1% range. This is not Burger King people, you can't have it your way, sorry but them's the breaks. A vote for a third party candidate or a no-vote is a vote for the winner, whether that's Biden or Trump.

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for a third party candidate. A no-vote isn't a vote at all. There are a good many arguments to be made for voting cynically/strategically but there are a good many arguments to be made for not voting for candidates that you dislike and distrust too.

[Outer Sparta]

You might could update your figures there scout, according to fivethirtyeight.com it's more like 50-42 and third parties are polling in the sub-1% range. This is not Burger King people, you can't have it your way, sorry but them's the breaks. A vote for a third party candidate or a no-vote is a vote for the winner, whether that's Biden or Trump.

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for a third party candidate. A no-vote isn't a vote at all. There are a good many arguments to be made for voting cynically/strategically but there are a good many arguments to be made for not voting for candidates that you dislike and distrust too.

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

[The Huskar Social Union]

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for a third party candidate. A no-vote isn't a vote at all. There are a good many arguments to be made for voting cynically/strategically but there are a good many arguments to be made for not voting for candidates that you dislike and distrust too.

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

FPTP is utter Garbajjje

[Telconi]

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for a third party candidate. A no-vote isn't a vote at all. There are a good many arguments to be made for voting cynically/strategically but there are a good many arguments to be made for not voting for candidates that you dislike and distrust too.

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

I mean, wrong party votes in like 47 states are just as wasteful.

[Des-Bal]

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

Ranked choice would be superior but but voting for a third party shows to the two competing parties that you ARE a voter and that you did NOT vote for them with the platform of your third party making it clear why. When the next election rolls around and they're campaigning they'll know they don't have your vote and what they have to do to get it. If enough people feel like you you influence the system whether or not your candidate wins.

[Outer Sparta]

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

Ranked choice would be superior but but voting for a third party shows to the two competing parties that you ARE a voter and that you did NOT vote for them with the platform of your third party making it clear why. When the next election rolls around and they're campaigning they'll know they don't have your vote and what they have to do to get it. If enough people feel like you you influence the system whether or not your candidate wins.

Ranked choice gives you more choices. I could vote for Greens as my first choice and then pick Democrats as my second one that counts. I'm not a Green voter since I am a Democrat, but it does give you that option.

[Fahran]

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

And if everybody continues to operate in that mindset in perpetuity we continue to elect candidates we don't actually like all that much in perpetuity or until we implement reforms, though voting in that way is going to make reforms a lot more difficult to obtain. The two-party system is already actively reinforced by the people that we'd have to vote for if our vote is to have a "meaningful impact."

If we "spoil" an election, it sends the message well enough.

[Cisairse]

Trump is conceited, self-important and vain. He is also the only stable choice the American people have. The Democrats are just petty obstructionist, and Biden is the trojan horse of dangerous leftist and Marxist ideas. People around the world are tired of do-nothing, know-nothing politicians. It was true in 2016, and it will be true in 2020. I know who I'd vote for.

I'm not American though, so what do I know?

God I fucking WISH biden was a trojan horse for Marxists. As an actual Marxist, that would be my wet dream. You'd actually see me planning on voting for him if that was the case.

(It's not, though.)

[Rusozak]

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

And if everybody continues to operate in that mindset in perpetuity we continue to elect candidates we don't actually like all that much in perpetuity or until we implement reforms, though voting in that way is going to make reforms a lot more difficult to obtain. The two-party system is already actively reinforced by the people that we'd have to vote for if our vote is to have a "meaningful impact."

If we "spoil" an election, it sends the message well enough.

That's a nice sentiment and I look forward to the end of the democrat and republican hegemony, but I don't want to take any chances this time around. Trump is too dangerous to be allowed 4 more years.

[Outer Sparta]

Ultimately that vote for a third party doesn't make any meaningful impact due to the nature of FPTP and the EC that prevents third parties from getting recognition. Ranked choice would give you more choice and cuts down on the spoiler effect.

And if everybody continues to operate in that mindset in perpetuity we continue to elect candidates we don't actually like all that much in perpetuity or until we implement reforms, though voting in that way is going to make reforms a lot more difficult to obtain. The two-party system is already actively reinforced by the people that we'd have to vote for if our vote is to have a "meaningful impact."

If we "spoil" an election, it sends the message well enough.

That's why I only see the way out of it is with actual structural reforms instead of going the way out and voting third party. I wouldn't want to waste my vote for the Greens or something.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

A job similar to my current one in a US town reasonably free of gun violence and the right to vote in their elections within 3 months of arriving.

[Jedi Council]

And if everybody continues to operate in that mindset in perpetuity we continue to elect candidates we don't actually like all that much in perpetuity or until we implement reforms, though voting in that way is going to make reforms a lot more difficult to obtain. The two-party system is already actively reinforced by the people that we'd have to vote for if our vote is to have a "meaningful impact."

If we "spoil" an election, it sends the message well enough.

That's why I only see the way out of it is with actual structural reforms instead of going the way out and voting third party. I wouldn't want to waste my vote for the Greens or something.

The only issue is that the Parties that support structural reforms to break up the two Party system are Third Parties. Neither the Democrats nor the GOP want any kind of reform because, while they may lose power, they will never be be challenged for second place.

No Democrat, and no Republican will ever try to dismantle a system that privileges both sides so perfectly.

[New Vedan]

I would love it if America could do away with this toxic two party system. If a third party canidate was truley viable I would vote for them, rather there the Libertarians or the Greens. Just in the Hope's of having a president that's neither a republican or a democrat for once. But let's be real that's never gonna happen

[Outer Sparta]

That's why I only see the way out of it is with actual structural reforms instead of going the way out and voting third party. I wouldn't want to waste my vote for the Greens or something.

The only issue is that the Parties that support structural reforms to break up the two Party system are Third Parties. Neither the Democrats nor the GOP want any kind of reform because, while they may lose power, they will never be be challenged for second place.

No Democrat, and no Republican will ever try to dismantle a system that privileges both sides so perfectly.

Other nations with proportional systems have two traditionally bigger parties with many smaller ones getting representation. Of course Dems and the GOP doni want to dismantle the FPTP system and having to try and form coalitions with the smaller parties. The big tent tries to get as many people as possible in your broad coalition, but it also means the parties may not fit your best interests and people can't truly vote how they feel and achieve representation.

[South Odreria 2]

Trump is conceited, self-important and vain. He is also the only stable choice the American people have. The Democrats are just petty obstructionist, and Biden is the trojan horse of dangerous leftist and Marxist ideas. People around the world are tired of do-nothing, know-nothing politicians. It was true in 2016, and it will be true in 2020. I know who I'd vote for.

I'm not American though, so what do I know?

God I fucking WISH biden was a trojan horse for Marxists. As an actual Marxist, that would be my wet dream. You'd actually see me planning on voting for him if that was the case.

(It's not, though.)

“As a Marxist.” you’re literally Vaush’s nationstates account.

[Cannot think of a name]

A job similar to my current one in a US town reasonably free of gun violence and the right to vote in their elections within 3 months of arriving.

Impossible and yet not the most intractable condition presented in this thread...

[Blargoblarg]

Trump is conceited, self-important and vain. He is also the only stable choice the American people have. The Democrats are just petty obstructionist, and Biden is the trojan horse of dangerous leftist and Marxist ideas. People around the world are tired of do-nothing, know-nothing politicians. It was true in 2016, and it will be true in 2020. I know who I'd vote for.

I'm not American though, so what do I know?

[Jedi Council]

The only issue is that the Parties that support structural reforms to break up the two Party system are Third Parties. Neither the Democrats nor the GOP want any kind of reform because, while they may lose power, they will never be be challenged for second place.

No Democrat, and no Republican will ever try to dismantle a system that privileges both sides so perfectly.

Other nations with proportional systems have two traditionally bigger parties with many smaller ones getting representation. Of course Dems and the GOP doni want to dismantle the FPTP system and having to try and form coalitions with the smaller parties. The big tent tries to get as many people as possible in your broad coalition, but it also means the parties may not fit your best interests and people can't truly vote how they feel and achieve representation.

Yes, but what does any of that have to do with whether you vote third party or not?

If one really hates the Party system, or neither of the two big parties represent ones views, voting for a third party is more useful in the cause of electoral reform than not voting, or voting for one of the big parties.

Now, obviously there are issues around strategic voting, especially in an election like 2020 where one candidate is demonstrably unfit for the job, but situations like that are rare.

[Cannot think of a name]

Other nations with proportional systems have two traditionally bigger parties with many smaller ones getting representation. Of course Dems and the GOP doni want to dismantle the FPTP system and having to try and form coalitions with the smaller parties. The big tent tries to get as many people as possible in your broad coalition, but it also means the parties may not fit your best interests and people can't truly vote how they feel and achieve representation.

Yes, but what does any of that have to do with whether you vote third party or not?

If one really hates the Party system, or neither of the two big parties represent ones views, voting for a third party is more useful in the cause of electoral reform than not voting, or voting for one of the big parties.

Now, obviously there are issues around strategic voting, especially in an election like 2020 where one candidate is demonstrably unfit for the job, but situations like that are rare.

It's important to note that no third party suffers any delusion that they are going to win the presidency and at the stage they're at wouldn't know what to do with it if they did.

[Jedi Council]

Yes, but what does any of that have to do with whether you vote third party or not?

If one really hates the Party system, or neither of the two big parties represent ones views, voting for a third party is more useful in the cause of electoral reform than not voting, or voting for one of the big parties.

Now, obviously there are issues around strategic voting, especially in an election like 2020 where one candidate is demonstrably unfit for the job, but situations like that are rare.

It's important to note that no third party suffers any delusion that they are going to win the presidency and at the stage they're at wouldn't know what to do with it if they did.

This is also true, which is why I would not recommend voting third party in the US unless you either were dead set against the current political framework or deeply dislike both Parties, be it for ideological or political reasons.

[Cisairse]

God I fucking WISH biden was a trojan horse for Marxists. As an actual Marxist, that would be my wet dream. You'd actually see me planning on voting for him if that was the case.

(It's not, though.)

“As a Marxist.” you’re literally Vaush’s nationstates account.

I have no idea who "Vaush" is.

[The Huskar Social Union]

“As a Marxist.” you’re literally Vaush’s nationstates account.

I have no idea who "Vaush" is.

He is a leftwing youtuber i think.

[Cisairse]

I have no idea who "Vaush" is.

He is a leftwing youtuber i think.

Oh. Well, I feel insulted now.