US Dep of Defense Limits Flag Use

[Anti Defense League]

Why

Read it again.

The issue was not one of comprehension; as I said, why is it justified.

[-Astoria-]

Read it again.

The issue was not one of comprehension; as I said, why is it justified.

It's very simple;

• Confederate flag - used as symbol by traitors during the Civil War
• modern use - hate groups (& some terrorist organisations)
• ergo, justified to prohibit it on federal property

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Do you comprehend now?

[Anti Defense League]

The issue was not one of comprehension; as I said, why is it justified.

It's very simple;

• Confederate flag - used as symbol by traitors during the Civil War
• modern use - hate groups (& some terrorist organisations)
• ergo, justified to prohibit it on federal property

.

Do you comprehend now?

Let me ask again: why?

I understand what you're saying, I'm asking as to the conclusion.

[-Astoria-]

It's very simple;

• Confederate flag - used as symbol by traitors during the Civil War
• modern use - hate groups (& some terrorist organisations)
• ergo, justified to prohibit it on federal property

.

Do you comprehend now?

Let me ask again: why?

I understand what you're saying, I'm asking as to the conclusion.

...as in?

[Anti Defense League]

Let me ask again: why?

I understand what you're saying, I'm asking as to the conclusion.

...as in?

"justified to prohibit it on federal property"

[-Astoria-]

"justified to prohibit it on federal property"

...because it represents the traitors to the Union who fought under that flag?
Lemme give an example; imagine a German embassy allowing its employees to fly swastika flags.

[Anti Defense League]

"justified to prohibit it on federal property"

...because it represents the traitors to the Union who fought under that flag?
Lemme give an example; imagine a German embassy allowing its employees to fly swastika flags.

Okay, and?

[SD_Film Artists]

As for the rainbow flag, I'd like to see the look of Jihadis when they get routed by a 'gay tank'.
"We fight hard... and play hard"

There actually is precedent. US forces in Korea and Vietnam often painted fierce lion faces on the front of their tanks because they thought Asians were backwards and generally superstitious and thus be afraid of the drawings. It's total nonsense of course, and thus they weren't afraid of the drawings at all.

But maybe the LGBT flag would make the Jihadis afraid.

Interesting, I had previously thought it was like those shark jaws that are on some aircraft but taken a bit too far.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This wont do, we need more flags. Not less.

[-Astoria-]

...because it represents the traitors to the Union who fought under that flag?
Lemme give an example; imagine a German embassy allowing its employees to fly swastika flags.

Okay, and?

..."and"?
How much more do I need to further simplify the point?

[The New California Republic]

There actually is precedent. US forces in Korea and Vietnam often painted fierce lion faces on the front of their tanks because they thought Asians were backwards and generally superstitious and thus be afraid of the drawings. It's total nonsense of course, and thus they weren't afraid of the drawings at all.

But maybe the LGBT flag would make the Jihadis afraid.

Interesting, I had previously thought it was like those shark jaws that are on some aircraft but taken a bit too far.

It was actually much less common in Vietnam, as I think the tank crews realized that nobody was going to be intimidated by lion/tiger paintings on the front of the tank. I have seen photos of the earliest contingents of US troops arriving in Vietnam having them on their tanks, but by about 1968 they seem to have disappeared completely.

[Anti Defense League]

Okay, and?

..."and"?
How much more do I need to further simplify the point?

As I've said repeatedly, I understand the point you're trying to make, the logical conclusions don't follow however.

[-Astoria-]

..."and"?
How much more do I need to further simplify the point?

As I've said repeatedly, I understanding the point you're trying to make, the logical conclusions don't follow however.

Elaborate, please.

[Anti Defense League]

As I've said repeatedly, I understanding the point you're trying to make, the logical conclusions don't follow however.

Elaborate, please.

I really don't know how else I can phrase it.

[-Astoria-]

Elaborate, please.

I really don't know how else I can phrase it.

OK; then how is it supposedly not a logical conclusion?

[Anti Defense League]

I really don't know how else I can phrase it.

OK; then how is it supposedly not a logical conclusion?

It's bad therefore it must be banned.

[The Two Jerseys]

So just like the British did in 1812-14...

Neither are the British today, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

Oh lord, are you really trying to use the War of 1812 as evidence the British wanted to reconquer America? And to ensure slavery remained? Because if so I suggest you do some more research because both of those claims are entirely false.

Yes, the British have fought wars with the Americans, just like the Germans. But for the last few generations, they have been America's staunchest allies.

The Confederates are defeated traitors not merely enemies or rivals. They wanted to keep an entire race in bondage. That was their raison d'etre. Why would any well adjusted person, anyone who claims to be a patriot, or anyone who values equality fly any flag associated with the Confederacy?

The immediate cause of the War of 1812 was to stop the British from kidnapping Americans and forcing them to serve in the Royal Navy.

You knows, to stop the British from treating human beings like property...

[The Reformed American Republic]

I agree with the ban on confederate flags. Why would or should the U.S. army respect traitors who fought against them? It's not even like the Confederates had a good cause.

[Evacillian]

As the discussions in this forum has evolved , the topic of why the Confederate States of America should be honored or dishonored has been brought up. Here are some points to consider.

1) Combined, President Abraham Lincoln and President Andrew Johnson gave full pardon for and restoration of property to all those on the losing side. The Compromise of 1877 is proof that the Former Confederate States were to be treated once again like regular States of the Union.
2) Respecting the losing side (the inferior) is considered honorable and true. The Confederate States of America and those who fought for it are honoured for their valor. The Confederate States of America did what the Constitution encouraged them to do, which was to rebel against a government which they believed was oppressive. This honour is seen as how the Union treat the dead Confederate soldiers till this day.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title38-section2306&num=0&edition=prelim
3) Flags are symbols that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. These interpretations are made by individuals whose ideas can contradict with other individuals.

How many different interpretations do you think the Flag of the United States of America has garnered over the years in the billions of people who have seen it? In how many ways has the Flag of the United States of America been used by groups and individuals, American and Non-American? Personally, I don't think I would be able to successfully count. What I do know, is that each interpretation and display of any flag is a right that individuals should be able to make. It is not my right to take, damage, or destroy another's property just because I find the flag they wave to be offensive.

[Organized States]

As the discussions in this forum has evolved , the topic of why the Confederate States of America should be honored or dishonored has been brought up. Here are some points to consider.

1) Combined, President Abraham Lincoln and President Andrew Johnson gave full pardon for and restoration of property to all those on the losing side. The Compromise of 1877 is proof that the Former Confederate States were to be treated once again like regular States of the Union.
2) Respecting the losing side (the inferior) is considered honorable and true. The Confederate States of America and those who fought for it are honoured for their valor. The Confederate States of America did what the Constitution encouraged them to do, which was to rebel against a government which they believed was oppressive. This honour is seen as how the Union treat the dead Confederate soldiers till this day.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title38-section2306&num=0&edition=prelim
3) Flags are symbols that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. These interpretations are made by individuals whose ideas can contradict with other individuals.

How many different interpretations do you think the Flag of the United States of America has garnered over the years in the billions of people who have seen it? In how many ways has the Flag of the United States of America been used by groups and individuals, American and Non-American? Personally, I don't think I would be able to successfully count. What I do know, is that each interpretation and display of any flag is a right that individuals should be able to make. It is not my right to take, damage, or destroy another's property just because I find the flag they wave to be offensive.

Except we shouldn't honor them. They betrayed the United States. We don't honor Benedict Arnold for his valor. We shouldn't honor Confederates either.

Also, the military suspends any number of personal rights and liberties in pursuit of good order and discipline.

[Thermodolia]

As the discussions in this forum has evolved , the topic of why the Confederate States of America should be honored or dishonored has been brought up. Here are some points to consider.

1) Combined, President Abraham Lincoln and President Andrew Johnson gave full pardon for and restoration of property to all those on the losing side. The Compromise of 1877 is proof that the Former Confederate States were to be treated once again like regular States of the Union.

That doesn’t include the CSA or Its flag. Lincoln and Co never acknowledged that the CSA was a thing. To the Union the states in the CSA never left.

2) Respecting the losing side (the inferior) is considered honorable and true.

Bullfuckingshit. Slavers get no respect

The Confederate States of America and those who fought for it are honoured for their valor. The Confederate States of America did what the Constitution encouraged them to do, which was to rebel against a government which they believed was oppressive.

The constitution doesn’t say anything of the sort. And besides telling people not to own humans isn’t being oppressive it’s ending oppression.

3) Flags are symbols that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. These interpretations are made by individuals whose ideas can contradict with other individuals.

And the flags of traitors don’t get to be in US military bases.

How many different interpretations do you think the Flag of the United States of America has garnered over the years in the billions of people who have seen it? In how many ways has the Flag of the United States of America been used by groups and individuals, American and Non-American? Personally, I don't think I would be able to successfully count. What I do know, is that each interpretation and display of any flag is a right that individuals should be able to make. It is not my right to take, damage, or destroy another's property just because I find the flag they wave to be offensive.

The flag of traitors doesn’t get to fly. I’m so sorry that you don’t get to fly your beloved traitorous flag but that’s what happens when you lose

[The Two Jerseys]

We don't honor Benedict Arnold for his valor.

*cough cough*

[Organized States]

We don't honor Benedict Arnold for his valor.

*cough cough*

Benedict Arnold is not mentioned by name on the Boot Monument; the monument thus serves as a form of damnatio memoriae.

[The Emerald Legion]

"justified to prohibit it on federal property"

...because it represents the traitors to the Union who fought under that flag?
Lemme give an example; imagine a German embassy allowing its employees to fly swastika flags.

Germany doesn't have freedom of speech or expression however. We do.

[Organized States]

...because it represents the traitors to the Union who fought under that flag?
Lemme give an example; imagine a German embassy allowing its employees to fly swastika flags.

Germany doesn't have freedom of speech or expression however. We do.

Neither do members of Armed Services and the US Department of Defense.