I am. If you wouldn't mind messing with the Japanese in a few IC years, I'll supply you with the weapons to do so. But for now, I need to sort out some stuff in Europe.
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by Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:17 pm
by Monsone » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:30 pm
Strala wrote:Monsone wrote:
I am. If you wouldn't mind messing with the Japanese in a few IC years, I'll supply you with the weapons to do so. But for now, I need to sort out some stuff in Europe.
Of course comrade, we will need tanks and aircraft. We would also appreciate any advisors that you would send our way.
by Strala » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:36 pm
by Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:01 pm
by Union Princes » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:15 pm
Benuty wrote:Would an opposition government in the colonies of the European powers be too unreasonable? or Perhaps just a straight-up breakaway state?
by Wasi State » Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:24 am
Benuty wrote:Would an opposition government in the colonies of the European powers be too unreasonable? or Perhaps just a straight-up breakaway state?
by St George Territory » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:21 am
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:34 am
by Monsone » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:25 am
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:27 am
by Wasi State » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:33 am
by Monsone » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:34 am
by St George Territory » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:34 am
by Plzen » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:39 am
Monsone wrote:I jut need more land to feed my people as well as gain natural resources. In fact, since the USSR in this RP lacks big iron reserves at the moment, but does have oil fields, I could see plastics being important as a substitute for wood and or metal in the eyes of the central government.
by Monsone » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:05 am
Plzen wrote:Monsone wrote:I jut need more land to feed my people as well as gain natural resources. In fact, since the USSR in this RP lacks big iron reserves at the moment, but does have oil fields, I could see plastics being important as a substitute for wood and or metal in the eyes of the central government.
Why not rely on international trade? I imagine the United States would be very happy to sell off metals and food, and, for that matter, so would the NSRS.
Very interesting but... alas, too far for me to really interact with. ;(
A Sino-Soviet agreement of some kind could, especially if the USSR does succeed in its goal of reuniting the Russian lands, represent a fairly drastic shift in the diplomatic arrangement of both Europe and Asia... certainly the conservatives and the reformists within the NSRS would consider it within the national interest to set fire to Manchuria as a potential source of conflict between the USSR and the CCP - the internationalists perhaps less so.
Dangerous. Very dangerous. The NSRS would also be willing to provide some advisors - mostly economic/industrial rather than military, because that's what we're good at - but any sort of direct support from us is probably out of the question for multiple different reasons.
That was an interesting post from the America First Party... are they plotting to do something similar to our own Kanslergade Agreement?
People, get IC posts up plox.
by Wasi State » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:06 am
Strala wrote:Is it fine for my history to state that the northern expedition failed?
by Strala » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:07 am
Monsone wrote:Plzen wrote:Why not rely on international trade? I imagine the United States would be very happy to sell off metals and food, and, for that matter, so would the NSRS.
Very interesting but... alas, too far for me to really interact with. ;(
A Sino-Soviet agreement of some kind could, especially if the USSR does succeed in its goal of reuniting the Russian lands, represent a fairly drastic shift in the diplomatic arrangement of both Europe and Asia... certainly the conservatives and the reformists within the NSRS would consider it within the national interest to set fire to Manchuria as a potential source of conflict between the USSR and the CCP - the internationalists perhaps less so.
Dangerous. Very dangerous. The NSRS would also be willing to provide some advisors - mostly economic/industrial rather than military, because that's what we're good at - but any sort of direct support from us is probably out of the question for multiple different reasons.
That was an interesting post from the America First Party... are they plotting to do something similar to our own Kanslergade Agreement?
People, get IC posts up plox.
You're willing to trade? How about Iron in exchange for goods like tractors, trucks, and maybe even ships?
by Monsone » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:09 am
by Plzen » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:12 am
Monsone wrote:You're willing to trade? How about Iron in exchange for goods like tractors, trucks, and maybe even ships?
Strala wrote:Ah Comrade, now I am sad that I have lost a potential way of getting new machines. I have the resources that you will need in Sichuan!
by Monsone » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:20 am
Plzen wrote:Monsone wrote:You're willing to trade? How about Iron in exchange for goods like tractors, trucks, and maybe even ships?
...I mean, the NSRS has been building up its civilian industry for the last twenty years while Russia's been tearing itself apart in civil war. I don't think we have anything lacking in that regard.
NSRS steel, aluminium, and fish in exchange for Soviet coal and oil, perhaps. That would be something we'd be interested in.
by Wasi State » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:33 am
by Sarderia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:38 am
Country: Confederation of Three States | Konfederacja Trzech Stanów | Конфедерація трьох держав | Канфедэрацыя трох дзяржаў
Head of State:Head of Government: Chairman Edward Rydz-Śmigły
- Polish People's Republic: Prime Minister Józef Klemens Piłsudski
- Ukrainian People's Republic: Prime Minister Volodymyr Vynnchenko
- Belarusian People's Republic: Prime Minister Jan Sierada
Location: The Confederation of Three
Government Type:
Capital: Odessa (Federal Capital); Warsaw (Polish PR), Western Lviv (Ukrainian PR), Brest (Belarusian PR),
National Debuffs:GDP: $128,000,000,000 (1990 Int'l/Geary-Khamis Dollar)
- Loose Confederation: The Confederation of Three is, as its name suggested, not an unified state. The three nations are only brought together in 1922 due to the fear of the rising Soviet power. Trapped between the Germans and Austria-Hungarians ro the west, and Russians to the east, the Confederation is the result of a series of treaties, peace agreements, and armistices between four ex-Russian Empire nation-states of Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. Ethnic and religious tensions are still high between states of the Confederation, and occassional border skrimishes remain present between the member states.
- A Land Ravaged: Eastern Europe felt the brunt of the Great War the hardest. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, that secured Russian withdrawal from the Great War, soon turned to be catastrophic as the Imperial German Army units fought the Bolshevik, White Russian, and the Separatists army in the Eastern European plain. Countless villages and cities lay in ruins even to this day. However, despite it all, a loosely-knit alliance between the four Separatist factions and the White Army proved beneficial when the rising Bolshevik power gobbles up Russia - thousands upon thousands of Russians, and soldiers of the White Army - flocked into the Confederation for shelter against the encroaching Bolshevik power.
- Stronghold of Independence: The Confederation's armies enjoyed a massive morale and industrial boost, in part due to the so-called White Emigres - followers of the White Army which consisted of highly-skilled Russian engineers, artists, workers, and others who disagreed with Bolshevik rule in Russia. Hundreds of years of Russian rule brought great resentments towards the peoples of the four newly-independent Republics, and nationalism is very strong. For this reason, the Confederacy cannot declare offensive wars, except to pacify the warring warlord cliques in the ravaged lands once known as Makhnovia.
Population: 63,642,994 people
History:Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and the advance of the Imperial German Army
At first, the Germans were seen as liberators for the Poles, Ukrainians, and all other ethnic groups under the boot of the Russian Empire. However, things turned badly when the Germans started supporting local strongmans to become dictators once the Russian Civil War breaks out. Russian Imperial Army generals from non-Russian backgrounds started consolidating their power, often with German support. Their goal is to estabilish the independence of their respective homelands. However, many saw their units being recruited either to fight in Austria or the Rhineland, or following the Black Baron's adventures into Russia instead, combatting Bolshevik advance.
Ukrainian War of Independence and the Alliance of Three Republics
Belarusian leader Jan Sierada met with the proclaimed First Marshal of Poland, Józef Piłsudski in Minsk, forming a temporary alliance between the two newly-declared states to fight against the Red Army, led by Mikhail Tukachevsky and Sergey Kamenev. The Polish People's Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic had also signed a temporary peace in Lviv, dividing control of the city into two separate parts - one Polish and one Ukrainian. Both Piłsudski and the Ukrainian leader Symon Petlyura signed the peace agreement. However, the Polish and Ukrainian sides, instead prepared their own respective armies to combat the Soviet insurrection on Belarus first. On 10 December 1918, the combined Polish and Ukrainian armies, supplied in part by the German troops at the border, met the Red Army in Minsk, where the month-long Battle of Minsk would then halt further Soviet advances to the west. While the Red Army took the city, the Polish-Ukrainian troops practically destroyed all avenues of infrastructure the city has upon retreating - abandoning it to ruin. A flanking force led by Edward Rydz-Śmigły captured Babruysk on New Year 1919, Barysaw a week later, and Vitebsk, on the border with Russia, in February. At the same month, the Belarusian People's Republic was proclaimed in Brest-Litovsk. The remaining years saw the Soviet campaign to the East repelled by the joint Polish-Ukrainian forces, aided in part by the Belarus militia. The War's conclusion in 1922 ended in a treaty being signed, that would firmly estabilish the independence of Belarus, but Minsk would still be an enclave of the Soviet Union.
Great March of the Cossacks
Meanwhile on the south, the situation is dire to the White Army and the host of Cossacks. Germany's unpredecented survival well to 1918 allowed the Hetmanate regime of Pavlo Skoropadsky to remain - supported by German generals and using German weapons - to crush all Bolshevik influence still remaining in Ukraine. Ukrainian leaders Skoropadsky and Petlyura both realized that the growing dissatisfaction with the Revolution, and the Bolshevik cause, that formed a loose confederation of warlords called the White Army, could be a significant ally for them to fight against the encroaching Bolsheviks. In April 1918, the Ukrainian Army had captured Rostov-on-Don, and the Skoropadsky regime sent out letters to General Lavr Kornilov of the White Army, encouraging him to hasten the so-called Ice March to Kuban, thereby joining the two forces. Kornilov agreed that were the White Army to capture the Russian heartland back, he would guarantee the independence of Ukraine from Russia. Earlier, the Ukrainians made an alliance pact with the Cossacks in Novocherkassk, led by the Ataman Aleksei Kaledin. First and foremost Kaledin wanted to secure the Cossack sovereignity and their way of life, as the traditional assembly recognizes the growing power of the Soviets could be severely damaging towards the Cossack institution itself. The Don Cossacks and the White Army marched north, and the Ukrainians held out the Soviet incursion desperately, while waiting for the rest of their allies to come into their aid. With the Ukrainians blocking their way, the Red Army cannot march into Caucasus directly - the timed arrival of Kornilov and Kaledin's forces bolstered the Ukrainians enough to repel the Soviet invasion, sending them all the way back into Moscow. This event, formerlty known as the Ice March, became popularly known instead as the Great March of the Cossacks - thousands of horsemen, dozens of armoured cars, pulling carts and bags of rifles, marching hastily through the winter into their homeland in the Don.
The Retreat of 1919
With the cost of a pyrrhic victory, the Ukrainians, the White Army, and the Cossacks managed to retain control of Rostov-on-Don. However, things significantly changed for the worse, when in November 1918, the coalition saw the rise of yet another Russian Civil War participant - the anarchist Makhnovia. Makhno's forces and the Black Army destroyed the only route that connects Kuban with the rest of Ukraine while they wintered, and now the coalition is at risk being invaded by yet another Red Army offensive next year. Following the Alliance of Three Republics victory in Belarus earlier, the coalition forces in Rostov-on-Don sent another message towards the Alliance troops, asking them to engage the Black Army from the West while coalition forces attacked them from the East, possibly paving a way for a safe and strategic retreat from Kuban to West Ukraine. The Cossacks were so adamantly opposed to this - as it would meant abandoning their homeland to anarchy - but both the White Army and the Ukrainian troops agreed to the retreat. Eventually, Kaledin and Skoropadsky signed an agreement that would allocate Cossacks land to settle in Ukraine, in return for their military service and manpower for the Alliance. With the Soviets preoccupied with infighting to the north, the Cossacks spend November to April gathering their men, their families, and their possessions to make the strategic retreat to Ukraine - while Alliance troops amassed west of the Dnieper. They planned to invade Makhnovia by summer, and cross the Dnieper come September. However by this time the Volunteer Army had split into two parts, one led by Lavr Kornilov that saw further incursion into Bolshevik lands as a folly, and opted to consolidate their power in Ukraine - and another led by Anton Denikin who favoured continued battle against the Soviets. Finally, the Volunteer Army were to be split half, with Denikin's Army holding Roston-on-Don with a sizeable Cossack detachment and a minor Ukrainian brigade, and the rest pushing to Makhnovia.
Summer Westward March
At first, the coalition at Rostov-on-Don tried to contact Makhno first, asking for a safe route for them to travel west and meet the Alliance forces. However, the response was significantly more blunt and offensive - either Makhno saw this as a feint to ravage the anarchist lands, or he is simply unwilling to give another chance for the Cossacks and White Army to survive. With all preparations complete, the 85,000 strong coalition forces, composed of Cossacks, Ukrainians, and Kornilov's Volunteer Army marched north to Luhansk, avoiding the bulk of the Black Army troops, until they reached the city. Alliance troops consisting of Polish, Ukrainian, and Belarusian battalions battled the Black Army in Crimea and Dnipropetrovsk. The coalition launched another attack from Luhansk to Donetsk, in order to divert the Black Army's attention from fighting the Alliance. Dnipropetrovsk was won by the Alliance in August, another pyrrhic victory, thereby securing the Alliance's control over the Dnipropetrovska region. However, the combined forces still could not defeat the Makhnovians by September - and the coalition, headquartered in Luhansk, is faced with a prospect of again wintering without an adequate supply. Desperate to cross before autumn is finished, they again sent a message to the Makhnovians requesting to cross - this time, to avoid further infighting, the Makhnovians agreed. The Coalition Army, and the host of Cossack and White Russian citizens they brought, reached Dnipropetrovsk by December.
Declaration of the Alliance
Pavlo Skoropadsky remained the Hetman of Ukraine well into 1924, when he stepped down peacefully. The office of Hetman was abolished and Ukraine adopted a semi-Presidential republic system of government. The Alliance of Three, between the Polish, Ukrainian, and Belarusian People's Republics, continued to support one another in cracking local warlords after the Summer Westward march ended. Ukraine, which formerly had plans to invade Bessarabia, consented to it being integrated with Romania - and the subsequent Romanian withdrawal from Odessa - in return with a constant supply of natural resources, mainly oil. The last major Alliance offensive engagement was in the 1924 invasion of Kharkiv, to secure the former industrial center of the Russian Empire. However, by this point, the Ukrainian government had made great efforts to relocate their industry into Lviv and Odessa, in addition to funding industrial infrastructures in Belarus. While any remaining effects of the Russian Civil War is slowly going out, and the countries stabilized, the threat of the Soviets still lingered. With a Germany and Austria-Hungaru torn by war in one side, and the isolationist, revanchist Soviets in the other, leaders of state of these three nations decided that a formal integration between them would be more beneficial than each country for their own. In 1928, the Alliance is formally replaced with the Confederation, which binded the three states of Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus into a single political union - with each one maintaining relative sovereignity over their respective territories. The Confederation has enjoyed a period of peace and stability, marked with agrarian and industrial reforms, and the general increase of wealth per capita - compared to other places in Europe, which remained drowned in constant conflict. However, only the imminent threat of the Soviets kept this Confederation bonded together - a simple ethnic conflict could possibly tear the whole union apart.
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