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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:35 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zimb ... SKCN24U1OM

Two decades ago Mugabe’s government carried out at times violent evictions of 4,500 white farmers and redistributed the land to around 300,000 Black families, arguing it was redressing colonial land imbalances.

The agreement signed at President Emmerson Mnangagwa’s State House offices in Harare showed white farmers would be compensated for infrastructure on the farms and not the land itself, as per the national constitution.


The country's ailing economy (which is largely rooted in those land seizures) means they will issue long-term bonds and reach out to international donors. Perhaps this move will let their economy recover, and even help repair race relations?

So, NSG, what are your thoughts? What does this move imply for Zimbabwe going forward, for any comparable situation in other countries, and is it a good idea to do this in the middle of a global pandemic?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:47 pm

Broadly positive.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:57 pm

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:58 pm

Its an improvement for sure and it looks like things are going to get better. They just should make sure that farms are kept under good leadership, even when going through with land reform.

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Postby Asle Leopolka » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:01 pm

Definitely a step in the right direction. Mugabe was a short-sighted tyrant who single-handedly sank Zimbabwe and their economy, so hopefully this can bring them back to their pre-colonialism prosperity.
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Postby Qihein » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:06 pm

We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:07 pm

Qihein wrote:We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.

As someone who spent quite a bit of time in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona, huge yes.
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Postby Nuroblav » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:21 pm

Sounds like a step forward to me.
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Postby The Yeetusa » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:25 pm

Sounds good. Is Zimbabwe a majority black country?

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Postby Minskiev » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:26 pm

The Yeetusa wrote:Sounds good. Is Zimbabwe a majority black country?


Well, what do you think?

This is pretty promising. Great Zimbabwe shall rise again!
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:28 pm

Zimbabwe has seemingly been slowly de-Mugabeizing (if that phrase makes sense) these last few years, which is a positive development, and this is no exception.

I would hope that people can be civil in this thread and not racebait, but I don’t have much faith in that.
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The Yeetusa wrote:Sounds good. Is Zimbabwe a majority black country?
Have a guess, mate.

Also, this is undoubtedly a good thing.

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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:29 pm

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Qihein wrote:We should go by Zimbabwe's example of compensation and properly compensate Native Americans.

As someone who spent quite a bit of time in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona, huge yes.


My town is 20% Navajo, it angers me deeply how badly they’ve been fucked over even recently. Beyond compensation, we have to invest heavily in those communities but that’s another topic.
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:33 pm

Proctopeo wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zimbabwe-farmers/zimbabwe-agrees-to-pay-3-5-billion-compensation-to-white-farmers-idUSKCN24U1OM

Two decades ago Mugabe’s government carried out at times violent evictions of 4,500 white farmers and redistributed the land to around 300,000 Black families, arguing it was redressing colonial land imbalances.

The agreement signed at President Emmerson Mnangagwa’s State House offices in Harare showed white farmers would be compensated for infrastructure on the farms and not the land itself, as per the national constitution.


The country's ailing economy (which is largely rooted in those land seizures) means they will issue long-term bonds and reach out to international donors. Perhaps this move will let their economy recover, and even help repair race relations?

So, NSG, what are your thoughts? What does this move imply for Zimbabwe going forward, for any comparable situation in other countries, and is it a good idea to do this in the middle of a global pandemic?

If it works really well for Zimbabwe in the long run, I'd give it a more serious thought if a one-time reparations program for descendants of slaves would help the US put a close to their sordid past.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:35 pm

This shouldn't be done if the land reform is being kept in place. The money would be better spent on hiring agricultural experts from abroad or winning back those who were displaced by Mugabe to bring the farms back to their former productivity.

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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:36 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zimbabwe-farmers/zimbabwe-agrees-to-pay-3-5-billion-compensation-to-white-farmers-idUSKCN24U1OM

Two decades ago Mugabe’s government carried out at times violent evictions of 4,500 white farmers and redistributed the land to around 300,000 Black families, arguing it was redressing colonial land imbalances.

The agreement signed at President Emmerson Mnangagwa’s State House offices in Harare showed white farmers would be compensated for infrastructure on the farms and not the land itself, as per the national constitution.


The country's ailing economy (which is largely rooted in those land seizures) means they will issue long-term bonds and reach out to international donors. Perhaps this move will let their economy recover, and even help repair race relations?

So, NSG, what are your thoughts? What does this move imply for Zimbabwe going forward, for any comparable situation in other countries, and is it a good idea to do this in the middle of a global pandemic?

If it works really well for Zimbabwe in the long run, I'd give it a more serious thought if a one-time reparations program for descendants of slaves would help the US put a close to their sordid past.


Yes, let's make taxpayers who had nothing to do with enslavement pay people who have never been enslaved. Sounds fair.

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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:41 pm

Ammostan wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:If it works really well for Zimbabwe in the long run, I'd give it a more serious thought if a one-time reparations program for descendants of slaves would help the US put a close to their sordid past.


Yes, let's make taxpayers who had nothing to do with enslavement pay people who have never been enslaved. Sounds fair.


I'm iffy about US repatriations myself, but look at the crux of your argument here. Zimbabwean black people currently aren't responsible for what Mugabe did in the past, but they're still going to be pitching in for the white population who had their land seized. Is that not similar?

Just food for thought.
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Ammostan wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:If it works really well for Zimbabwe in the long run, I'd give it a more serious thought if a one-time reparations program for descendants of slaves would help the US put a close to their sordid past.


Yes, let's make taxpayers who had nothing to do with enslavement pay people who have never been enslaved. Sounds fair.

For it to work, the taxpayers should decide that it is them who wanted that. The above concern is moot.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:43 pm

Alongside the return of White farms purchased after 1980 in the last year I think Zimbabwe has done a good job fulfilling it's commitments while recognising the need for land reform. The economy isn't in a good position as the moment so what this means for the future is still anyone's guess. That being said it's hard stretch to think of this as true compensation for the land stolen and the lives lost.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:46 pm

Seems like a good step forward for Zimbabwe.
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:50 pm

Well, the difference is that Mugabe was under a lifetime ago, while the system of slavery ended over three, maybe four ago. So, it doesn’t make much sense to pay people who’s grandparents likely didn’t encounter it at all. Of course, then there’s the end of Reconstruction, but we’ve paid that off with the Civil Rights movement and the current BLM protests. So, if what’s happening now makes a big change, then there isn’t much of a need to do that in the US.

Now, Native Americans? I’m on the East Coast, so I’ve got zero clue what goes on in the Midwest, so I’ll let those people talk about it.
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Postby Ammostan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:00 pm

Minskiev wrote:Well, the difference is that Mugabe was under a lifetime ago, while the system of slavery ended over three, maybe four ago. So, it doesn’t make much sense to pay people who’s grandparents likely didn’t encounter it at all. Of course, then there’s the end of Reconstruction, but we’ve paid that off with the Civil Rights movement and the current BLM protests. So, if what’s happening now makes a big change, then there isn’t much of a need to do that in the US.

Now, Native Americans? I’m on the East Coast, so I’ve got zero clue what goes on in the Midwest, so I’ll let those people talk about it.


Let's say that my house happens to be on land "stolen" from "Native Americans". The sins of the United States Government have nothing to do with me. Should I be kicked out of my house and have it given to the descendants of the people the land was "stolen" from?
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:02 pm

No, you’re thinking of what happened to the white farmers in Zimbabwe, the original crime.

The Natives would be compensated for the previous and possibly ongoing-ish sins, but not by kicking white people out.
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