Apocalypse: 1936 (PT/OOC/OPEN)

[Monsone]

There is Armenia now?! The USSR is going to have a field day reuniting Russia.

[Sarderia]

There is Armenia now?! The USSR is going to have a field day reuniting Russia.

It's going to be hard for the USSR to conquer Armenia - there's a large no-man's land between the USSR and Armenia, not to mention the new state's characteristics which included strong nationalism, religious fervor, and zealot Christianity.

[Plzen]

The Soviets probably suffer from much the same problems we do - too many hectares of territory, too many kilometres of border, not enough troops to garrison and patrol it all.

Administration is a nightmare.

[Monsone]

There is Armenia now?! The USSR is going to have a field day reuniting Russia.

It's going to be hard for the USSR to conquer Armenia - there's a large no-man's land between the USSR and Armenia, not to mention the new state's characteristics which included strong nationalism, religious fervor, and zealot Christianity.

You realize that the no-man's land is high on the list of places Stalin wants to invade. Especially considering that it would be his stepping stone in conquering Georgia and the Caucasus. And considering that the Caucasus have practically no industrial base, it means protracted war would be hard. In fact, there is an ancient Caucasian proverb: One loses his homeland – loses all.

Stalin would take that to heart and will stop at nothing to at the very least reconqueror Georgia and more likely, the whole Caucasus. I never said it would be easy, but then again, reuniting a country after 20 years of civil war never is.

[Monsone]

The Soviets probably suffer from much the same problems we do - too many hectares of territory, too many kilometres of border, not enough troops to garrison and patrol it all.

Administration is a nightmare.

Partially yes. But what is the biggest challenge is a increasing lack of resources as well as the fact that most of the USSR's borders are flat, easy to invade, and hard to defend. And that keeps Red Army generals awake at night.

[Sarderia]

It's going to be hard for the USSR to conquer Armenia - there's a large no-man's land between the USSR and Armenia, not to mention the new state's characteristics which included strong nationalism, religious fervor, and zealot Christianity.

You realize that the no-man's land is high on the list of places Stalin wants to invade. Especially considering that it would be his stepping stone in conquering Georgia and the Caucasus. And considering that the Caucasus have practically no industrial base, it means protracted war would be hard. In fact, there is an ancient Caucasian proverb: One loses his homeland – loses all.

Stalin would take that to heart and will stop at nothing to at the very least reconqueror Georgia and more likely, the whole Caucasus. I never said it would be easy, but then again, reuniting a country after 20 years of civil war never is.

Caucasus might not be a large industrial region, but Anatolia and the Levant is - with the Armenians holding strongholds in Central Anatolia and Antioch, large coal deposits and a sufficient industrial base - it is more than capable to defend itself against Soviet invasion. In fact, due to the mountainous nature of the Caucasus, the Soviets would have a hell of a time crossing the mountains, let alone reaching the Armenian heartlands. Without Azerbajian, the Soviets would have been deprived of an important oil source - it is practically why the Germans put a lot of effort to take Stalingrad, because Stalingrad is the only large Soviet stronghold blocking their way into the oil-rich Caucasus region. Thereby, mobilization would be hard for the Soviets.

[Union Princes]

I don't think there's gonna be a World War 2 happening since WW1 technically never ended if the belligerent nations are all facing mutinies from their armies and undergoing a revolution.

The world is at war but not in a world war, if you get what I mean.

So no pressure for the Soviets since it will take Germany just as long to recover and mobilize for war.

[Monsone]

You realize that the no-man's land is high on the list of places Stalin wants to invade. Especially considering that it would be his stepping stone in conquering Georgia and the Caucasus. And considering that the Caucasus have practically no industrial base, it means protracted war would be hard. In fact, there is an ancient Caucasian proverb: One loses his homeland – loses all.

Stalin would take that to heart and will stop at nothing to at the very least reconqueror Georgia and more likely, the whole Caucasus. I never said it would be easy, but then again, reuniting a country after 20 years of civil war never is.

Caucasus might not be a large industrial region, but Anatolia and the Levant is - with the Armenians holding strongholds in Central Anatolia and Antioch, large coal deposits and a sufficient industrial base - it is more than capable to defend itself against Soviet invasion. In fact, due to the mountainous nature of the Caucasus, the Soviets would have a hell of a time crossing the mountains, let alone reaching the Armenian heartlands. Without Azerbajian, the Soviets would have been deprived of an important oil source - it is practically why the Germans put a lot of effort to take Stalingrad, because Stalingrad is the only large Soviet stronghold blocking their way into the oil-rich Caucasus region. Thereby, mobilization would be hard for the Soviets.

1) Anatolia got an industrial base thanks to Ataturk. So it's highly unlikely you would have reaped those benefits since you're basically RP-ing as Armenia. Russia had a bigger industrial base than Turkey IRL, and the Soviet Union in this RP controls a fair amount of that industrial base. At the time, the Caucasus where mainly agricultural societies with the only industrial activity being oil extraction. You could set up arms manufacturing plants, but the main plants are in Soviet hands (the Tula Armory being the most important plant and it being located in the middle of Soviet controlled territory). So you would need to start anew to even make such factories. And assuming you did, you need skilled laborers to man the factories. Laborers you don't have because in a mainly agrarian society, an engineer isn't a necessity, a farmer is. So then you need to retrain people to man your factories. And by this point you've spent a decade roughly building factories for small arms and their associated munitions while the USSR (which already had the capability to produce all kinds of armaments) has been working on stuff like tanks, armored cars, long range artillery, armored trains, aircraft, and a whole host of other projects that would put the USSR at a distinct technological advantage.

2) I don't need Azerbaijan for oil, it's nice to have, but there are other sources of oil that the USSR could aquire much more easily. And Germany didn’t atempt to take Stalingrad because it was the gateway to the Caucasus as you claim. The reality is Stalingrad was a major industrial hub with a large tank plant and a strategic position on the Volga River. This combined with Hitler being obsessed with taking the city that had Stalin's name was why Germany to Stalingrad. In the original German plans for Barbarosa, Stalingrad was a side note with most forces to be sent to capture the Caucasus oil fields because Stalingrad didn’t have oil, Baku did.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Not sure if i'm actually gonna join, but I'm just gonna leave this here for now

Country: New Roman Empire/Νέα Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία
Head of State/Leader:
-Head of State: George II (King of Greece)
-Head of Government: Ioannis Metaxas
Location: Megali Idea
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy/
Capital: Constantinople (official), Athens (de facto)
National Debuffs:
-Divided Bosporus: Many Turks and Muslims on the opposite side of the Bosporus still resist against Hellenic rule over
-Divided Nationalists: Though the revolution that initially supported the monarchy and crushed the Communist threat was, at first, strong and united, now as relative stability begins to return to Greece the two majority ideologies of the government, those of the Monarchists and a collection of otherminded Nationalists, begin to clash in government and even in the streets.
GDP:
Population:
History:
Map Color: Dark Blue or Byzantine Purple

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[Mathuvan Union]

Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name): South Australian Democratic Republic
Head of State/Leader: Secretary John McElk
Location: South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales
Government Type: 1 party’s socialist state
Capital: Melbourne
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three) The Great Depression
Daily Political Power cost: +1.00
Resource Gain Efficiency: -20%
Recruitable Population Factor: -50%
Consumer Goods Factories: +30%
Join faction tension limit: +20%
Although a worldwide phenomenon, the Great Depression started with a stock market crash in the United States and has caused unemployment rates to soar and tax revenue to plummet
The War to end all Wars: Recruitable Population -30% With the Great War in recent memory, both the nation's people and leaders are reluctant to send another generation to die in the trenches.
GDP: 13 million USD
Population: 7 Million
History: IRL History, but when Australia backed out of the Great War to save its population , lots of Australians were very annoyed at the decimated population that was created by Britain by calling them into the war. Refugees had come from Greece when the war had come to them, increasing the population and the unemployment rate. Australians were not happy. Australia slowly dissolved apart, and communist support grew in the southern parts, ultimately leading to a communist state
After the political unrest it became clear Australia was no more, and had split into multiple states. The 1933 elections confirmed that, with the Communist Party winning by 50,000 votes. Soon they became close with the USSR, slowly but surely slipping away from Britain’s grasp. Jong McElk, the first Secretary General of the All-Australia Communist Party, quickly became very popular with social reform and creating jobs to minimise the effects of the Great Depression.
Schisms are only forming, and it will soon become clear how Australia becomes with communism.
Map Color: Bright Orange

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[Wasi State]

Shoot, I should actually update my app to expand my AFP influence to encompass all the Southern States.

It's never too late . And you can always campagin in the IC to expand your political base, 1936 is an election year after all.

Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name): South Australian Democratic Republic
Head of State/Leader: Secretary John McElk
Location: South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales
Government Type: 1 party’s socialist state
Capital: Melbourne
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three) Home of the Revolution, The War to end all Wars:
GDP: 13 million
Population: 16 Million
History: IRL History, but when the Great War ended, lots of Australians were very annoyed at the decimated population that was created by Britain by calling them into the war. Australia slowly dissolved apart, and communist support grew in the southern parts, ultimately leading to a communist state
Map Color: Bright Orange

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Only thing I would recommend first is to expand and elaborate more on National Debuffs and History.

[Mathuvan Union]

Shoot, I should actually update my app to expand my AFP influence to encompass all the Southern States.

It's never too late . And you can always campagin in the IC to expand your political base, 1936 is an election year after all.

Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name): South Australian Democratic Republic
Head of State/Leader: Secretary John McElk
Location: South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales
Government Type: 1 party’s socialist state
Capital: Melbourne
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three) Home of the Revolution, The War to end all Wars:
GDP: 13 million
Population: 16 Million
History: IRL History, but when the Great War ended, lots of Australians were very annoyed at the decimated population that was created by Britain by calling them into the war. Australia slowly dissolved apart, and communist support grew in the southern parts, ultimately leading to a communist state
Map Color: Bright Orange

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Only thing I would recommend first is to expand and elaborate more on National Debuffs and History.

Not in Australia. In America, yes, Australia, no. We were founded in 1901, so it’s funny. Our election would have been 1937 or 1933.

I’ll edit it but please no one take those states

[Democratic East-Asia]

For whatever reasons I feel like China could hardly be worse than it was irl since China arguably was already hitting rock bottom them.

[Wasi State]

For whatever reasons I feel like China could hardly be worse than it was irl since China arguably was already hitting rock bottom them.

That's kinda the in-joke with much of Asia pretty much playing out the same as it did OTL.

[Mathuvan Union]

For whatever reasons I feel like China could hardly be worse than it was irl since China arguably was already hitting rock bottom them.

That's kinda the in-joke with much of Asia pretty much playing out the same as it did OTL.

/edited app

[Plzen]

GDP: 13 million

What's the unit on this number?

Population: 16 Million

Australia IRL didn't reach 16 million in population until the 1980s. This is the 1930s, you don't even control the entirety of Australia, and the Spanish Influenza was more severe than IRL.

but when the Great War ended,

The Great War didn't end in this timeline.

The 1933 elections confirmed that, with the Communist Party winning by 50,000 votes.

Australia, of course, has a Westminster system of government with no seats held at-large, so one wonders what this even means.

[Wasi State]

/edited app

For the most it's good. But there are some minor things I would ask you to specify and change in your app. The Great War has not technically ended in terms of the lore of the world, however you are allowed to say that Australia backed out of the war to cut their loses considering the massive attritional loss they experienced, further severing their ties with Britain.

And secondly I would argue that Home of the Revolution doesn't sound too much like a debuff for your Australian socialist state, I would either change this to something else. Like the Great Depression, or the fact that Australia is a divided continent likely experiencing a lot of civil war style factionalism if your app is anything to go by.

Thirdly, I can justified a bit of a population numbers increase too if you mentioned it as being the result of an influx of refugees, so just change to be around 7 million.

[Mathuvan Union]

GDP: 13 million

What's the unit on this number?

Population: 16 Million

Australia IRL didn't reach 16 million in population until the 1980s. This is the 1930s, you don't even control the entirety of Australia, and the Spanish Influenza was more severe than IRL.

but when the Great War ended,

The Great War didn't end in this timeline.

The 1933 elections confirmed that, with the Communist Party winning by 50,000 votes.

Australia, of course, has a Westminster system of government with no seats held at-large, so one wonders what this even means.

Well, pardon me for a few mistakes. I never saw a part saying the Great War is still going on.
Also I may not control the entirety of Australia, but I control by far the most populous places: Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne. Edits inbound.

[Mathuvan Union]

GDP: 13 million

What's the unit on this number?

Population: 16 Million

Australia IRL didn't reach 16 million in population until the 1980s. This is the 1930s, you don't even control the entirety of Australia, and the Spanish Influenza was more severe than IRL.

but when the Great War ended,

The Great War didn't end in this timeline.

The 1933 elections confirmed that, with the Communist Party winning by 50,000 votes.

Australia, of course, has a Westminster system of government with no seats held at-large, so one wonders what this even means.

It was for a overall majority, ie deciding what party wouldn’t win and who would become prime minister, not parliamentary seats. Those are a different subject.

App has been edited, and Plzen, before you come after again, IRO Melbourne has the largest Greek o o pulsation in the world outside of Greece.

[Plzen]

Putting down rough game mechanics for our national spirits to get an idea for what they do sounds like a fun little idea to fill time with, so... here's mine!

Kanslergadeforliget
-67% factory output, -50% dockyards output, -33% recruitable population factor, +15% civilian factory construction speed, +25% infrastructure construction speed

Samlingsregeringen
+5% stability, -0.80 daily political power gain, -10% war support, cannot join factions, cannot send volunteers, cannot justify wars, cannot guarantee nations

Karelensgränsen
-0.10% weekly stability, -33% ideology drift defence, +0.01% daily communism support, +0.01% daily fascism support

Yeah... Norden is a very rich and powerful country, but it has some serious problems.

[Wasi State]

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Accepted.

Take into account though that the actual concept of National Debuffs are to literary serve as the negative characteristics and spirits that are affecting a country, the HOI4 style number modifiers aren't necessary to add to the apps for accepting. Of course you're free to create them on your own time to define your nation better if you want.

[Sarderia]

I like my concept for Armenia, but I kinda want to take Japan instead. With Japan I have more storyline to make, while playing Armenia revolves only with the problem regarding the Turkish population, and deterring a possible Soviet invasion.

I'll probably drop another app soon.

[Flowerdell]

A very important announcement from Comrade Mosley.

[Wasi State]

I like my concept for Armenia, but I kinda want to take Japan instead. With Japan I have more storyline to make, while playing Armenia revolves only with the problem regarding the Turkish population, and deterring a possible Soviet invasion.

I'll probably drop another app soon.

Feel free, Japan is still up for grabs.

I'll wait for a few more currently in-progress/new apps today and then I'll probably drop the IC at some point tomorrow.

[Mathuvan Union]

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Accepted.

Take into account though that the actual concept of National Debuffs are to literary serve as the negative characteristics and spirits that are affecting a country, the HOI4 style number modifiers aren't necessary to add to the apps for accepting. Of course you're free to create them on your own time to define your nation better if you want.

I used the HOI4 ones because i know them well, sorry for the good stuff, I'll make my own