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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:03 pm

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Hello Monsone, the only thing I would change is the number of states under your direct control, Russia at this time is experiencing rampant warlordism, and thus doesn't have a really consolidated unified state. Stalin would have a fair number of competing warlords and former Tsarists to fight off to fully control Western Russia, not to say he doesn't have quite an advantage in doing that though.

I would recommend reducing the number of states to those around Moscow or what you deem to be where Stalin's main political base is, with the allowance of a handful of enclaves to represent the Civil War scattering frontlines.


Stalin's main powerbase would have been the Caucasus Mountains since he is originally Georgian. But since Southern Russia is blacked out, it would make little sense to have an enclave like Moscow and then Georgia. Since Stalin's first act would be to unify the two locations with a land connection.

I think if the USSR was the land the Bolsheviks controlled in 1919, that would make sense.

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And maybe having cities like Kiev and Minsk be enclaves since both cities would have had a large pro-Soviet populace.

This works for me, app Accepted.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:05 pm

Wasi State wrote:
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Stalin's main powerbase would have been the Caucasus Mountains since he is originally Georgian. But since Southern Russia is blacked out, it would make little sense to have an enclave like Moscow and then Georgia. Since Stalin's first act would be to unify the two locations with a land connection.

I think if the USSR was the land the Bolsheviks controlled in 1919, that would make sense.

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And maybe having cities like Kiev and Minsk be enclaves since both cities would have had a large pro-Soviet populace.

This works for me, app Accepted.


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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:17 pm

This is the current map so far. I'll put it in the OP by the end of the night unless we have more people join us. Preferably we'll get started with the IC at some point this weekend depending on player numbers.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:21 pm

Wasi State wrote:This is the current map so far. I'll put it in the OP by the end of the night unless we have more people join us. Preferably we'll get started with the IC at some point this weekend depending on player numbers.


Hey there. I am interested.

Already writing up a German Political Party + Paramilitary Group.

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:23 pm

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Wasi State wrote:This is the current map so far. I'll put it in the OP by the end of the night unless we have more people join us. Preferably we'll get started with the IC at some point this weekend depending on player numbers.


Hey there. I am interested.

Already writing up a German Political Party + Paramilitary Group.

That's awesome man, what group were you thinking of playing in Germany?
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Hey there. I am interested.

Already writing up a German Political Party + Paramilitary Group.

That's awesome man, what group were you thinking of playing in Germany?


SPD(whom helped stabilize the government under the Baden Cabinet and thus prevent the earliest German Revolution) and the Iron Front.

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:34 pm

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Wasi State wrote:That's awesome man, what group were you thinking of playing in Germany?


SPD(whom helped stabilize the government under the Baden Cabinet and thus prevent the earliest German Revolution) and the Iron Front.

Ah the KPD's more moderate, Weimar promoting cousins. If DEA ends up applying for Ernst Thälmann's KPD this will get a whole lot more interesting.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:39 pm

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SPD(whom helped stabilize the government under the Baden Cabinet and thus prevent the earliest German Revolution) and the Iron Front.

Ah the KPD's more moderate, Weimar promoting cousins. If DEA ends up applying for Ernst Thälmann's KPD this will get a whole lot more interesting.


Well...they are less of Weimar-promoting and more or less, trying to salvage something of the German Empire.

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:41 pm

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Wasi State wrote:Ah the KPD's more moderate, Weimar promoting cousins. If DEA ends up applying for Ernst Thälmann's KPD this will get a whole lot more interesting.


Well...they are less of Weimar-promoting and more or less, trying to salvage something of the German Empire.

Well yeah, I think that's a general theme for a good chunk of factions in Germany atm :p.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:52 pm

Country/Political Group/Anarchic State: Social Democratic Party of Germany; Iron Front/Eiserne Front

Head of State/Leader: Friedrich Ebert(deceased)/Philipp Scheidemann(current)

Location: Brandenburg, Berlin, Hamburg, and Schleswig-Holstein

Government Type: Political Party

Capital: Berlin(HQ)

National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three):

  • Collapsing home front - the 'Great' War has ruined us, our future, our hope and our dreams. The war is only kept going by the refusal of either side to seek conciliation or peace. Thus in turn, things at home having been growing worse and worse. Strikes are now more common and more violent with each passing day. Hunger, starvation and a lack of goods have become a common sight across the Empire. More and more boys are sent to the front, robbing them of their future and returning as broken, wounded and crippled young men.
  • Falling popularity - the failures of the Great War, the costs of continuing the war and an inability to see any end to the war has caused the SPD to suffer in both popularity and legitimacy as more and more moderate options fail to bring results. This in turn has fueled a call for more radical solutions and results - further diminishing the fleeting power and popularity that remains for us.

GDP: N/A

Population: ~1,9 million people

History: When Germany had first declared war many had been hopeful and eager for a quick and swift resolution - high on propaganda and patriotism, this affected even the members of the SPD. Those whom had refused to support or had been against the war had been expelled from the party and would later be responsible for the formation of the Spartacus League and many other far-leftist parties in the coming years.

While the Great War saw great success in the earliest years, slowly things began to stagnate and the front wouldn't move an inch while thousands would keep on dying on a daily basis. This slowly increased the calls for peace, strikes in many necessary industries and more anti-war riots in the various cities of Germany.

The SPD would eventually be invited into the Baden Cabinet in 1918 headed by Prince Max von Baden - they helped ensure the stabilization of the situation at home and spread the hope, that victory was only a few more months away. This helped somewhat calm the flames of rebellion long enough to ensure some sense of stability returned to Germany, even if it was a fleeting one at that. The High Seas Fleet under Admiral Hipper, would engage the Grand Fleet of the Royal British Navy in the Second Battle of Jutland - achieving victory and breaking the British blockade. While this victory helped sell the idea of victory, the following years would slowly rot away that idea.

The Second Battle of Jutland ensured that Germany wouldn't be starved out by the end of year, although it instead ensured death by a thousand rotten cuts instead. As while trade began to flow once more into Germany, it slowly began to trickle out as the Stock Market in the United States collapsed; the Entente and the Central Powers resorted to more extreme measures to try and end the war; bombardment of civilian industries and cities by each power and a general antipathy towards either side.

By 1936, the SPD has been shackled into the rot of the German Empire - as they are bleeding people and support with each passing month. The Iron Front had been established in 1931 to help fight against the more radical Spartacus League whom had shifted their policies from reform to hostile change instead; while also to defend against the more radical far-right NSDAP whom had begun to seek out 'enemies of the people' responsible for the collapse at home and the front.

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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:56 pm

Wasi State wrote:
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Well...they are less of Weimar-promoting and more or less, trying to salvage something of the German Empire.

Well yeah, I think that's a general theme for a good chunk of factions in Germany atm :p.


Faction done.

The SPD is likely the 'sane-men' of the government currently. They are trying to end the war, without losing or achieving a 'victory' that would ensure their economy collapses the moment they stop. Trying to fend off the radicals from the Spartacus League; trying to also make sure the 'radicals' in the NSDAP don't tear apart Germany even more in their search for enemies and so on.

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:58 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:-snip-

Accepted for the most part, I only ask additionally for centralized locations where the SPD base is most strongest, so in the event of a civil war that'll be your starting states against the multiple competitors in Germany.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:01 pm

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The Felan Federation wrote:-snip-

Accepted for the most part, I only ask additionally for centralized locations where the SPD base is most strongest, so in the event of a civil war that'll be your starting states against the multiple competitors in Germany.


Hmm. Hard to say to be precise, I would assume Berlin would be their HQ - since they are also part of the government in this instance.

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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:07 pm

I noticed some bits of the Rhineland appear to be in chaos (and Badden Wurtemberg)... which is kinda odd given that WW1 was pretty much entirely fought throughout Northern France (and Germany wasn't really touched directly).
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Democratic East-Asia wrote:I noticed some bits of the Rhineland appear to be in chaos (and Badden Wurtemberg)... which is kinda odd given that WW1 was pretty much entirely fought throughout Northern France (and Germany wasn't really touched directly).


You did read the part where World War I didn't end? And the fact that things have escalated to the point both sides have developed bombers to bomb the others industrial and civilian centers?

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:09 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:
Wasi State wrote:Accepted for the most part, I only ask additionally for centralized locations where the SPD base is most strongest, so in the event of a civil war that'll be your starting states against the multiple competitors in Germany.


Hmm. Hard to say to be precise, I would assume Berlin would be their HQ - since they are also part of the government in this instance.

I can put you in as Brandenburg, Berlin, Hamburg, and Schleswig-Holstein if you want.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:12 pm

Wasi State wrote:
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Hmm. Hard to say to be precise, I would assume Berlin would be their HQ - since they are also part of the government in this instance.

I can put you in as Brandenburg, Berlin, Hamburg, and if you want.


Sure, eastern and northern parts of the country may be the only places still intact to vote and support the SPD. (Edited my location on app)
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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:17 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:Sure, eastern and northern parts of the country may be the only places still intact to vote and support the SPD. (Edited my location on app)
Sounds good to me.
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Democratic East-Asia wrote:I noticed some bits of the Rhineland appear to be in chaos (and Badden Wurtemberg)... which is kinda odd given that WW1 was pretty much entirely fought throughout Northern France (and Germany wasn't really touched directly).


You did read the part where World War I didn't end? And the fact that things have escalated to the point both sides have developed bombers to bomb the others industrial and civilian centers?


And on top of an escalation of unrestricted use of chemical and biological weapons creating a wide expanse of No Man's Land encroaching into much of the Rhineland and Benelux. It's largely become industrial and urbanized wasteland with gangs and survivor colonies trapped in between trying to make a living.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:56 pm

Oh boi rip one of Germany's most productive industrial zones. Guess it's back to the right side of the Rhine.
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Postby Flowerdell » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:01 pm

Oof. Here is my app for a British political party, or movement, I suppose.

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Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name): The Liberationists/The Red Lions (Paramilitary)
Head of State/Leader: Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet
Location: The United Kingdom, with particular support in Wales, the North and the Midlands.
Government Type: Political Party/Revolutionary Movement
Capital: Birmingham
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three):
The Great Depression: As hard as it hit the United States, the depression hit the British Empire just as hard if not worse. Because of the war, Britain's economy had become entirely dependent on the US for exports, imports, military equipment and loans. With the collapse, it all dried up. Industry was crushed seemingly overnight as the war economy broke completely. Millions became unemployed in the span of a few short weeks, then millions more in the following months. The government could hardly respond, they were still fighting a war and any change to the logistical chain could spell doom for the entire effort they had pumped decades into. As such the crisis has continued to deepen as the nation is stuck in a paralysis with no conceivable option out of the mess that lays before them.

The Never Ending War: The war has been a disaster. Millions have charged through the fields of Flanders never to return home. Husbands, sons, brothers and fathers have been swept away by machine gun fire, bombs and disease. The war should have ended a decade ago, but to lose when so much has been sacrificed is something the nation can't seem to stomach. The old saying the troops would be home by Christmas has gone, yet there is always hope for the Christmas in five years time. No doubt the Field Marshals have an offensive planned to end this conflict, otherwise why are we still there? The spirit can't last long however, and with the depression seeing no end, many wonder if the people have to end something the parliament is incapable of ending.

Independence: An Empire is crumbling. Many know that death lies on the horizon. The colonies, dominions and satellite states have had enough. Many are preparing to unilaterally leave the British shadow. What could the Empire conceivably do to stop them? Declare another war? Yet as shores distant leave, the much more pressing concerns lay on the home-front. Northern Ireland has seen a swathe of Unionist and Republican fighting that the British Constabulary is in no position to control. There is even talk of a Scottish secession plot in the works by the increasingly popular Scottish National Party. Not to mention Wales. The deep crisis that strangleholds the nation might not just be the end of an Empire, but the end of a centuries old union.

GDP: N/A
Population: N/A - Though control 161 seats in parliament, having received around 8 million votes at the previous General Election.

History: Oswald Mosley was always meant to be Prime Minister. A rising star in the Labour Party from the moment he crossed the isle. His charisma, bold plans, and anti-war stance led him to gain prominence with the left-wing of the party. It all seemed to be going his way, positioned to take control of the second largest force in British politics, until it was swept out from under him. Or as he would put it, the people. The Labour Party entered into a National Government once more, supporting the war effort and giving the Conservative-Liberal Parties a clean check on anything they wished to pass. In protest, Mosley resigned not only his membership in the party, but also his seat in parliament. Some 10 MP's joining him. In a small meeting room in a London pub, the MP's met led by the man himself. Proposals flying through the night as cigar smoke lit up the room. By the morning they had a party, a constitution for the party, and a list of hundreds of names they wished to run for seats. The Liberationists were born.

Overnight the movement saw spectacular support. Though many of the names they listed wanted nothing to do with this seemingly Marxist breakaway group, a significant number agreed. In fact a further 4 MP's followed in their colleagues footsteps. Resigning their seats as well. They wished to show that they had the peoples support, and so ran in their seats by-elections to once again earn their constituency's approval. All 14 won. Then the real campaigning began. None took their seats. Rejecting the parliament outright, rejecting the authority of the monarch who had sat by through decades of unjust death. The general election was a bloodbath. In the 400 seats they ran in, the party gained the support of 161. Breaking the National Unity Government and becoming the official Opposition. An opposition that did not swear the oath.

The Party now sits in waiting. If the government doesn't fold to their demands, the party will have no choice but to take to the streets. Chief among their demands is the end of the war, the abolishment of the monarchy and the nationalisation of all industry.

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Postby Plzen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:10 pm

I was under the impression that debuffs had to be negative? The USSR’s don’t seem to really have a negative side to their national debuffs.

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Postby The Felan Federation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:12 pm

Plzen wrote:I was under the impression that debuffs had to be negative? The USSR’s don’t seem to really have a negative side to their national debuffs.


You do realize the Five-Year Plan caused massive starvation and suffering in the USSR?

And the NKVD was as much a 'police' as it was the Communist-version of the CIA, that had a habit of rounding up anyone whom disagreed with the ideology of the revolution aka Stalin.

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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:12 pm

Flowerdell wrote:Oof. Here is my app for a British political party, or movement, I suppose.



Country/Political Group/Anarchic State(Full Name): The Liberationists/The Red Lions (Paramilitary)
Head of State/Leader: Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet
Location: The United Kingdom, with particular support in Wales, the North and the Midlands.
Government Type: Political Party/Revolutionary Movement
Capital: Birmingham
National Debuffs (Pick Two or Three):
The Great Depression: As hard as it hit the United States, the depression hit the British Empire just as hard if not worse. Because of the war, Britain's economy had become entirely dependent on the US for exports, imports, military equipment and loans. With the collapse, it all dried up. Industry was crushed seemingly overnight as the war economy broke completely. Millions became unemployed in the span of a few short weeks, then millions more in the following months. The government could hardly respond, they were still fighting a war and any change to the logistical chain could spell doom for the entire effort they had pumped decades into. As such the crisis has continued to deepen as the nation is stuck in a paralysis with no conceivable option out of the mess that lays before them.

The Never Ending War: The war has been a disaster. Millions have charged through the fields of Flanders never to return home. Husbands, sons, brothers and fathers have been swept away by machine gun fire, bombs and disease. The war should have ended a decade ago, but to lose when so much has been sacrificed is something the nation can't seem to stomach. The old saying the troops would be home by Christmas has gone, yet there is always hope for the Christmas in five years time. No doubt the Field Marshals have an offensive planned to end this conflict, otherwise why are we still there? The spirit can't last long however, and with the depression seeing no end, many wonder if the people have to end something the parliament is incapable of ending.

Independence: An Empire is crumbling. Many know that death lies on the horizon. The colonies, dominions and satellite states have had enough. Many are preparing to unilaterally leave the British shadow. What could the Empire conceivably do to stop them? Declare another war? Yet as shores distant leave, the much more pressing concerns lay on the home-front. Northern Ireland has seen a swathe of Unionist and Republican fighting that the British Constabulary is in no position to control. There is even talk of a Scottish secession plot in the works by the increasingly popular Scottish National Party. Not to mention Wales. The deep crisis that strangleholds the nation might not just be the end of an Empire, but the end of a centuries old union.

GDP: N/A
Population: N/A - Though control 161 seats in parliament, having received around 8 million votes at the previous General Election.

History: Oswald Mosley was always meant to be Prime Minister. A rising star in the Labour Party from the moment he crossed the isle. His charisma, bold plans, and anti-war stance led him to gain prominence with the left-wing of the party. It all seemed to be going his way, positioned to take control of the second largest force in British politics, until it was swept out from under him. Or as he would put it, the people. The Labour Party entered into a National Government once more, supporting the war effort and giving the Conservative-Liberal Parties a clean check on anything they wished to pass. In protest, Mosley resigned not only his membership in the party, but also his seat in parliament. Some 10 MP's joining him. In a small meeting room in a London pub, the MP's met led by the man himself. Proposals flying through the night as cigar smoke lit up the room. By the morning they had a party, a constitution for the party, and a list of hundreds of names they wished to run for seats. The Liberationists were born.

Overnight the movement saw spectacular support. Though many of the names they listed wanted nothing to do with this seemingly Marxist breakaway group, a significant number agreed. In fact a further 4 MP's followed in their colleagues footsteps. Resigning their seats as well. They wished to show that they had the peoples support, and so ran in their seats by-elections to once again earn their constituency's approval. All 14 won. Then the real campaigning began. None took their seats. Rejecting the parliament outright, rejecting the authority of the monarch who had sat by through decades of unjust death. The general election was a bloodbath. In the 400 seats they ran in, the party gained the support of 161. Breaking the National Unity Government and becoming the official Opposition. An opposition that did not swear the oath.

The Party now sits in waiting. If the government doesn't fold to their demands, the party will have no choice but to take to the streets. Chief among their demands is the end of the war, the abolishment of the monarchy and the nationalisation of all industry.

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Was wondering when Mosley would make an appearance, Accepted.
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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:15 pm

Plzen wrote:I was under the impression that debuffs had to be negative? The USSR’s don’t seem to really have a negative side to their national debuffs.

I justified it as Stalin's clique still being a warlord state that is fanatical in its base support, this doesn't necessarily lend itself to contributing to a stable state in the long term, especially if the Cult of Personality is the sole thing keeping it together.
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Postby Plzen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:17 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:-snip-

As described in their application they don’t seem to have a downside. All those seem to be fairly popular programs beneficial for internal administration and national unity.

Wasi State wrote:I justified it as Stalin's clique still being a warlord state that is fanatical in its base support, this doesn't necessarily lend itself to contributing to a stable state in the long term, especially if the Cult of Personality is the sole thing keeping it together.

Ah, okee. That makes more sense.

Flowerdell wrote:-snip-

Fascinating... what’s this about a renewed Scotland and an empowered SNP I’m hearing about? :P

This situation could be a gift box full of opportunities, if only the Northern government can get their act together for long enough to take advantage of it...!

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