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Should all cars be designed to be remotely shut off?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:40 am

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjd7 ... s-pandemic

So basically, people with no regard for their own survival or each other's survival are engaging in illegal street racing. We could prosecute people for this but I'm not sure what the legal system can to to "deter" people who seem to think illegal street racing is literally to die for. (Either that or they've BSed themselves into thinking it won't kill them like it's killed other people, in which case they could BS themselves into thinking they wouldn't get prosecuted either.) Obviously the emphasis must be on prevention. But the cops can't be everywhere at once.

Why not just equip all cars with devices that would allow law enforcement to remotely shut them off if there's reason to believe they're engaging in illegal street racing? Yes, I can see how law enforcement could misuse it. But right now it's the lack thereof that's being misused. As well, you could make it a felony for cops to misuse such technology and prosecution of such cops mandatory; it would be more effective to "deter" a walk of life that is (sometimes) known to be deterred by consequences than to deter a breed of criminal that is not known for being deterred.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:44 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjd7wp/street-racers-are-tearing-up-empty-roads-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic

So basically, people with no regard for their own survival or each other's survival are engaging in illegal street racing. We could prosecute people for this but I'm not sure what the legal system can to to "deter" people who seem to think illegal street racing is literally to die for. (Either that or they've BSed themselves into thinking it won't kill them like it's killed other people, in which case they could BS themselves into thinking they wouldn't get prosecuted either.) Obviously the emphasis must be on prevention. But the cops can't be everywhere at once.

Why not just equip all cars with devices that would allow law enforcement to remotely shut them off if there's reason to believe they're engaging in illegal street racing? Yes, I can see how law enforcement could misuse it. But right now it's the lack thereof that's being misused. As well, you could make it a felony for cops to misuse such technology and prosecution of such cops mandatory; it would be more effective to "deter" a walk of life that is (sometimes) known to be deterred by consequences than to deter a breed of criminal that is not known for being deterred.


Given the amount of shit the police already do that's technically illegal for them to do? Do you really think that's going to deter them?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:45 am

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Postby Rusozak » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:55 am

That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:57 am

Rusozak wrote:That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.


Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.

Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.
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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:59 am

That does indeed have the potential of being abused by those in power. Even if there's that big of a concern, then surely there's better ways than enforced shut-offs.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:02 am

Fucking hell no.

Also didn’t we already have this thread or something similar before?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:03 am

absolutely not. what is with all this dictatorial proposals?

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:04 am

Novus America wrote:
Rusozak wrote:That just opens a doorway for hackers maliciously tampering with cars remotely.


Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.

Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.

We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:04 am

Nah. Far to much potential to be misused.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:05 am

I bet all autonomous vehicles, or vehicles with an autonomous mode, will be have a remote kill switch.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:05 am

Galloism wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Plus street racers would probably just disable the function anyways.
They already disable speed governing chips and the like.

Better alternatives include more legal drag strips, and simply enforcing the laws already in place.

We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.

I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:08 am

NO

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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:13 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:NO

^^basically this
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Galloism wrote:We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.

I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.


I think it was, although it sounds it might have an IRL application.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:15 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Galloism wrote:We could create free drag strips for people to race their cars, not unlike our "clean needles" programs.

I feel like this is an option in an NS issue.

I call it the "Safe Streets" program. You can't argue against someone who has a program titled "Safe Streets".
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:19 am

How about no.

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Postby La Paz de Los Ricos » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:21 am

Suppose some quack get his hands on the remote shut-off for half the cars in New York or Los Angeles during rush hour?
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:24 am

I reckon it probably won't take long for street racers to find ways around this, if it were ever actually implemented.

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:26 am

That sounds like a horrible idea. Same with built-in speed limiters and whatever other stupid ideas that people in charge like to come up with.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:29 am

No. Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:32 am

The New California Republic wrote:No. Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.

Might come in handy when parents are out of town and the youngin's throw a kegger only to find out mom and dad are on their way home, kill their car, have enough time to shoo party goers out the door and clean up.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:No. Terrible idea. It'd only be a matter of time before the shutdown method was leaked on the net, and then you have a situation where trolls are randomly turning car engines off for shits and giggles.

Or worse for revenge
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:33 am

La Paz de Los Ricos wrote:Suppose some quack get his hands on the remote shut-off for half the cars in New York or Los Angeles during rush hour?


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Postby Esternial » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:36 am

Proctopeo wrote:That sounds like a horrible idea. Same with built-in speed limiters and whatever other stupid ideas that people in charge like to come up with.

Dunno, the alcohol lock might have its uses.

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