2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Greater Miami Shores]

Imagine how many people would suddenly become anti pro choice if they get a million dollars for it, which is what he is saying. I am anti pro choice, as I consider abortion to be preventing the life of a person to be, where is my million dollars? ok he is saying every women, I'm a dude.

Pro choice means having a choice. Most pro choice people dislike abortion.

This positive incentive - we will help you with raising this unwanted child - is a vastly superior solution than most things the pro.life side has suggested, which mostly boils down to "who cares the unwanted child is raised in poverty and abuse".

It is still silly and impractical, but his heart is in the right place.

I have never heard that one before. At least according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary:
Pro Choice means:
: believing that pregnant women should have the right to choose to have an abortion

[The Alma Mater]

Pro choice means having a choice. Most pro choice people dislike abortion.

This positive incentive - we will help you with raising this unwanted child - is a vastly superior solution than most things the pro.life side has suggested, which mostly boils down to "who cares the unwanted child is raised in poverty and abuse".

It is still silly and impractical, but his heart is in the right place.

I have never heard that one before. At least according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary:
Pro Choice means:
: believing that pregnant women should have the right to choose to have an abortion

Which is exactly what I am saying - they are allowed to choose.
They can also choose not to have an abortion. Most do.

Pro life otoh tends to -especially on this forum - be "the slut should not have spread her legs, force her to have the baby and we do not really cares what happens to that afterwards. Let it get adopted or something".

Kanye at least actually cares about the child.

[Thermodolia]

That article is utter bullshit. If nobody voted for third parties it’s highly likely that Trump still would be president and would have won the popular vote given that the libertarians got 4 million votes nation wide and Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.

I read your response. You say the article is BS, but ignore the fact that Jill Stein's margins exceeded Trump's margin of victory in key states. That, to me, totally, 100% confirms the validity of the article.

Also, there is the completely baseless assumption that all Libertarians would have voted for Trump given the option of voting D, voting R or not voting. You're assuming that Libertarians wouldn't have stayed home. You're also assuming that Libertarians, who believe in certain principles, would automatically back Donald Trump, who has no principles.

I'm frankly surprised that anyone would so viciously attack the integrity of people who voted for the Libertarian Party in 2016. If anything, you should apologize to them.

Green voters would have stayed home. They wherent going to vote for Clinton and 9 times out of 10 the libertarians break for the republicans when there is no libertarian option. They definitely wouldn’t have gone for Clinton. Face it without third parties you’d have a Trump who would have not only won majorities in several key states but also would have won the popular vote. Maybe you shouldn’t be so dismissive of third parties and realize that Clinton was an all around shitty candidate who has nobody to blame but herself for her failure

[Gormwood]

Kanye had his first campaign rally in South Carolina and it went worse than a Trump rally, believe it or not.

TL;DR:
>Kanye said Harriet Tubman didn't free slaves, she took them to work for other white people.
>He said he's not against abortion, but every pregnant woman should be given one million dollars as encouragement and support for raising the child.
>He'll legalize marijuana and make it free
>He wants people to stop watching porn
>He also wants to be placed on the corporate boards of Gap and Adidas or else he'll terminate his relationship with them.
>Social media and prescription drugs are brainwashing people
>Kanye has a 132-point IQ and went to the hospital because his brain was too big to fit in his skull.

Kanye having another manic episode.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So Kanye is racist against black people, wants to subsidize pregnancy, wants to re-establish the basket weaving industry with free pot, has some kind of porn problem, is trying to shake down some clothing companies with the threat of his management skills, is in favour of recreational brainwashing, and accidentally washed his own brain with fabric softener.

Watch out Donald, you've got competition!

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Maybe you shouldn’t be so dismissive of third parties and realize that Clinton was an all around shitty candidate who has nobody to blame but herself for her failure

I'm not the one assuming that Libertarians would abandon their principles and automatically vote for someone as morally repugnant as Donald Trump. After the insulting way you've characterized Libertarians, you then turn around and claim that I'm the one being dismissive of third party voters. I hope you can see the irony.

Also, I'm sure attacking Hillary Clinton, who has been out of politics for the past four years, makes you feel better, just like it makes Donald Trump feel better whenever he does it. You even got to use a curse word in your response. How Trumpian of you.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the basic integrity of Libertarian voters. It should be clear to any objective reader of our exchange which of us respects them more.

[Valrifell]

Sidenote: it's a tad presumptuous to think that every Libertarian voter was categorically right-leaning or had libertarian politics. It's far more likely that a solid chunk of their ballots were in protest, not ideological commitment. I'd expect lower turnout for Libertarians as Democrats are absolutely committed to removing the Donald from office.

This also makes the claim that without Johnson, Clinton would have won/lost harder... murkier. I wouldn't worry about it either way, live and let live.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

So Kanye is racist against black people, wants to subsidize pregnancy, wants to re-establish the basket weaving industry with free pot, has some kind of porn problem, is trying to shake down some clothing companies with the threat of his management skills, is in favour of recreational brainwashing, and accidentally washed his own brain with fabric softener.

Watch out Donald, you've got competition!

I'm not the smartest cat in the kennel, but I don't see The College Dropout becoming Commander-in-Chief anytime soon.

Something tells me that Jo Jorgensen (L) finishes well ahead of Kanye come November.

[Thermodolia]

Maybe you shouldn’t be so dismissive of third parties and realize that Clinton was an all around shitty candidate who has nobody to blame but herself for her failure

I'm not the one assuming that Libertarians would abandon their principles and automatically vote for someone as morally repugnant as Donald Trump. After the insulting way you've characterized Libertarians, you then turn around and claim that I'm the one being dismissive of third party voters. I hope you can see the irony.

Because back in 2016 many people thought Clinton was worse than Trump. It was the choice between two evils and libertarians wherent going to vote for a democrat, especially not Clinton.

I’ve see it happen several times here in Georgia, due to our two round system when the libertarians aren’t an option they vote for the republicans to keep the democrats out.

This is one of the major reasons why I support PR, STV and the like because third parties lessen the impact of republicans and democrats.

Also, I'm sure attacking Hillary Clinton, who has been out of politics for the past four years, makes you feel better, just like it makes Donald Trump feel better whenever he does it. You even got to use a curse word in your response. How Trumpian of you.

Oh give it a fucking break. Hillary Clinton was a shit candidate, Biden isn’t. She was an idiot who decided that she didn’t need to worry about campaigning in several areas. It’s not the third party voters fault, it’s hers.

And besides nobody gives a fucking shit if I happen to fucking curse, unless your an uptight Pearl clutcher

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the basic integrity of Libertarian voters. It should be clear to any objective reader of our exchange which of us respects them more.

Just because you think Trump is bad doesn’t mean that he’s the worst thing for everyone. When he was matched up against Clinton more people would rather vote for him than Clinton because nobody wants her.

[Thermodolia]

Sidenote: it's a tad presumptuous to think that every Libertarian voter was categorically right-leaning or had libertarian politics. It's far more likely that a solid chunk of their ballots were in protest, not ideological commitment. I'd expect lower turnout for Libertarians as Democrats are absolutely committed to removing the Donald from office.

This also makes the claim that without Johnson, Clinton would have won/lost harder... murkier. I wouldn't worry about it either way, live and let live.

However a lot of Libertarians are very pro gun and ive seen it happen here where they will break for the republicans when the libertarian isnt an option to block the anti-gun democrat.

And Clinton was vilified by pretty much everyone so many did not want her in office, I do think that Trump would have won more votes if the libertarians wherent there.

Not that it matters now because the greens and libertarians aren’t going to get many votes this time around due to the fact that Biden is far more likable than Trump and Trump has been shown to be pretty anti-gun

[No State Here]

So Kanye is racist against black people, wants to subsidize pregnancy, wants to re-establish the basket weaving industry with free pot, has some kind of porn problem, is trying to shake down some clothing companies with the threat of his management skills, is in favour of recreational brainwashing, and accidentally washed his own brain with fabric softener.

Watch out Donald, you've got competition!

I'm not the smartest cat in the kennel, but I don't see The College Dropout becoming Commander-in-Chief anytime soon.

Something tells me that Jo Jorgensen (L) finishes well ahead of Kanye come November.

We can dream

[Thermodolia]

So Kanye is racist against black people, wants to subsidize pregnancy, wants to re-establish the basket weaving industry with free pot, has some kind of porn problem, is trying to shake down some clothing companies with the threat of his management skills, is in favour of recreational brainwashing, and accidentally washed his own brain with fabric softener.

Watch out Donald, you've got competition!

I'm not the smartest cat in the kennel, but I don't see The College Dropout becoming Commander-in-Chief anytime soon.

Something tells me that Jo Jorgensen (L) finishes well ahead of Kanye come November.

I wouldn’t demean college dropouts as quite a few have been pretty successful like Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs and others have been presidents like Truman.

[San Lumen]

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200720 ... -gop-chair

Former Florida Congressman and right wing nutjob Allen West is the new chairman of the Texas Republican Party.
I Expect a huge lurch to the right and for the party to go downhill in fundraising and to start nominating more extremist candidates like what happened in Arizona when Kelli Ward became chair

[Zurkerx]

Former Ohio Governor John Kasich is expected to speak at Democratic convention on behalf of Biden.

While I do feel this is bound to irk a majority of Democrats, especially Progressives, I do also feel Biden would welcome Kasich's support. I believe the former Governor is still popular within his State though it remains to be seen whether he "endorses" Biden.

[San Lumen]

Former Ohio Governor John Kasich is expected to speak at Democratic convention on behalf of Biden.

While I do feel this is bound to irk a majority of Democrats, especially Progressives, I do also feel Biden would welcome Kasich's support. I believe the former Governor is still popular within his State though it remains to be seen whether he "endorses" Biden.

I greatly welcome it. The more Republicans that rebuke Trump the better.

[Aureumterra]

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200720/allen-west-ousts-james-dickey-as-texas-gop-chair

Former Florida Congressman and right wing nutjob Allen West is the new chairman of the Texas Republican Party.
I Expect a huge lurch to the right and for the party to go downhill in fundraising and to start nominating more extremist candidates like what happened in Arizona when Kelli Ward became chair

I would love a huge lurch to the right, but can you really go more to the right in the US?

[Major-Tom]

Former Ohio Governor John Kasich is expected to speak at Democratic convention on behalf of Biden.

While I do feel this is bound to irk a majority of Democrats, especially Progressives, I do also feel Biden would welcome Kasich's support. I believe the former Governor is still popular within his State though it remains to be seen whether he "endorses" Biden.

We need big tent energy.

When the president is rapidly delving into an authoritarian rabbit hole, anyone who can rebuke him is welcome for me.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200720/allen-west-ousts-james-dickey-as-texas-gop-chair

Former Florida Congressman and right wing nutjob Allen West is the new chairman of the Texas Republican Party.
I Expect a huge lurch to the right and for the party to go downhill in fundraising and to start nominating more extremist candidates like what happened in Arizona when Kelli Ward became chair

I would love a huge lurch to the right, but can you really go more to the right in the US?

Any further, and we'd have to just call it fascism, really.

[San Lumen]

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200720/allen-west-ousts-james-dickey-as-texas-gop-chair

Former Florida Congressman and right wing nutjob Allen West is the new chairman of the Texas Republican Party.
I Expect a huge lurch to the right and for the party to go downhill in fundraising and to start nominating more extremist candidates like what happened in Arizona when Kelli Ward became chair

I would love a huge lurch to the right, but can you really go more to the right in the US?

It seems you can when you have Qanon supporters being nominated

[Aureumterra]

I would love a huge lurch to the right, but can you really go more to the right in the US?

Any further, and we'd have to just call it fascism, really.

Fascism is authoritarian, it’s hard to put on a one dimensional political spectrum, so use a political compass instead. "Far right" can mean so many different things depending on the position on the auth-lib axis

[San Lumen]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/wil ... 20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown says the final five for VP are Whitmer ,Harris, Bass, Rice and Duckworth. Id be happy with any of those but Whitmer. I've lost a lot of respect for her from her ridiculous decrees. From that list I'd most prefer Karen Bass or Susan Rice.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Kanye had his first campaign rally in South Carolina and it went worse than a Trump rally, believe it or not.

TL;DR:
>Kanye said Harriet Tubman didn't free slaves, she took them to work for other white people.
>He said he's not against abortion, but every pregnant woman should be given one million dollars as encouragement and support for raising the child.
>He'll legalize marijuana and make it free
>He wants people to stop watching porn
>He also wants to be placed on the corporate boards of Gap and Adidas or else he'll terminate his relationship with them.
>Social media and prescription drugs are brainwashing people
>Kanye has a 132-point IQ and went to the hospital because his brain was too big to fit in his skull.

Beginning around 5:00 p.m. local time, Kanye took a makeshift stage wearing a bulletproof vest and with his head shaved to say, “2020”. From the onset, it became clear that the event was not well planned. There was no microphone or podium in place for him to speak into, and his shouted comments were often drowned out by the jeers of the audience.

Ahaha

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So Kanye is racist against black people, wants to subsidize pregnancy, wants to re-establish the basket weaving industry with free pot, has some kind of porn problem, is trying to shake down some clothing companies with the threat of his management skills, is in favour of recreational brainwashing, and accidentally washed his own brain with fabric softener.

Watch out Donald, you've got competition!

I'm not the smartest cat in the kennel, but I don't see The College Dropout becoming Commander-in-Chief anytime soon.

Something tells me that Jo Jorgensen (L) finishes well ahead of Kanye come November.

You don't want to be the smartest cat in the kennel. She gets bullied.

Seriously yes, he still has to get on some ballots to get any vote at all, and he won't get much.

However small his vote is though, the same question applies as for any independent: who does he take votes FROM?

And the answer might be Neither. All his voters might be the people who usually don't vote at all.


There's an issue the major parties talk about but you know they'll never do because it costs too much.

"Fixing the state of mental health care in this country". THAT would get him some votes.

Once he's established that he really is serious about it (which might take a while) it's time for a slogan.

"Put a lunatic in charge of the asylum". Look out Jo, you're going to lose third place!

[Zurkerx]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Willie-Brown-It-s-not-in-the-bag-for-Joe-15416772.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown says the final five for VP are Whitmer ,Harris, Bass, Rice and Duckworth. Id be happy with any of those but Whitmer. I've lost a lot of respect for her from her ridiculous decrees. From that list I'd most prefer Karen Bass or Susan Rice.

Whitmer wouldn't be bad and that's despite Republicans' bad taste for her policies on COVID-19 (which have helped slowed it down there) though she won't get the nod anyway: it's going to be a woman of color. That said, this is merely a "word is" so I would like to see more proof of his finalists. If this is the list though, I would be shocked that Warren didn't make it. But three of the women are Black so that's a sign Biden is considering someone of color seriously.

I will, however, be disgusted if it's Harris; the other four will be fine with my most prefer being Duckworth.

[South Odreria 2]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Willie-Brown-It-s-not-in-the-bag-for-Joe-15416772.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown says the final five for VP are Whitmer ,Harris, Bass, Rice and Duckworth. Id be happy with any of those but Whitmer. I've lost a lot of respect for her from her ridiculous decrees. From that list I'd most prefer Karen Bass or Susan Rice.

Aha he is sexist confirmed if it’s not elizabeth warren

Elizabeth Warren has been the victim of the most sexism of all time, maybe ever. First from mean old bernie and now from biden. Does he not want detailed plans???!!! smh my head

[San Lumen]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Willie-Brown-It-s-not-in-the-bag-for-Joe-15416772.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown says the final five for VP are Whitmer ,Harris, Bass, Rice and Duckworth. Id be happy with any of those but Whitmer. I've lost a lot of respect for her from her ridiculous decrees. From that list I'd most prefer Karen Bass or Susan Rice.

Whitmer wouldn't be bad and that's despite Republicans' bad taste for her policies on COVID-19 (which have helped slowed it down there) though she won't get the nod anyway: it's going to be a woman of color. That said, this is merely a "word is" so I would like to see more proof of his finalists. If this is the list though, I would be shocked that Warren didn't make it. But three of the women are Black so that's a sign Biden is considering someone of color seriously.

I will, however, be disgusted if it's Harris; the other four will be fine with my most prefer being Duckworth.

I know even some Democrats who think some of her polices and statements are absurd but let's not get off topic. Bass and Rice would be excellent choices in my view and if it were my choice I'd pick either one of them