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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:21 am

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Honeydewistania wrote:Lee Kuan Yew has been dead for five years, e-scooters weren’t even around when he was PM. Anyways...

I think choosing a validity would be hard, since you can’t really choose authoritarian as most Nanny States aren’t actually authoritarian

Hmmm... low civil rights?

Sorry for assuming it was Lee, it's that that Wikipedia article seemed to suggest Lee was proud of his little nanny state

Low civil rights sounds plausible.

Also no need to apologise for that, Lee banned a whole list of things. Like the gum, Chinese dialects in the media, freedom of the press, criticism of the government etc.
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:25 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Hmmm... low civil rights?

Sorry for assuming it was Lee, it's that that Wikipedia article seemed to suggest Lee was proud of his little nanny state

Low civil rights sounds plausible.

Also no need to apologise for that, Lee banned a whole list of things. Like the gum, Chinese dialects in the media, freedom of the press, criticism of the government etc.

Gum is really the only nanny state thing on the list. The rest is more about political freedoms, but that's a different story. Low civil rights it is
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Trotterdam
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:12 am

To me, the term "nanny state" suggests a government that tries to "protect" its citizens by outlawing them from doing stupid stuff, even when the stupid stuff wouldn't be hurting anyone except themselves (and their financial dependents, I guess). For example, banning gambling so idiots don't squander their life's savings on a gambling addiction, banning alcohol so people don't become alcoholic bums, etc. We certainly have issues about those kinds of things.

The problem is that "being a nanny state" isn't an issue. Any particular proposed law is something that can be put to debate. An extremely broad, ambiguously-defined category of possible laws is not something that you can make a sweeping decision over.

Instead of complaining about nanny states, why not make an issue about laser pointers?

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Electrum
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Postby Electrum » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:14 am

So we've got issues based on @@LEADER@@'s favourite colour and their favourite hobby.

Is an issue about their signature style a good idea? I got the idea from looking at memes on Donald Trump signing things.

I'm thinking something like:
- A ridiculously long, loopy signature that takes ten seconds to write
- X
- A seal stamp (like in Japan)
- Printed name
- A simple scribble
- Using multiple pens really slowly, so that they can be given away (here)
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Cretox State
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Postby Cretox State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:46 am

Trotterdam wrote:To me, the term "nanny state" suggests a government that tries to "protect" its citizens by outlawing them from doing stupid stuff, even when the stupid stuff wouldn't be hurting anyone except themselves (and their financial dependents, I guess). For example, banning gambling so idiots don't squander their life's savings on a gambling addiction, banning alcohol so people don't become alcoholic bums, etc. We certainly have issues about those kinds of things.

The problem is that "being a nanny state" isn't an issue. Any particular proposed law is something that can be put to debate. An extremely broad, ambiguously-defined category of possible laws is not something that you can make a sweeping decision over.

Instead of complaining about nanny states, why not make an issue about laser pointers?

It's also important to note that there is a substantial degree of nuance within a "nanny state" approach. There's a big difference between banning drunk driving (to keep people from harming themselves) and forcing everyone to have automobile insurance (to force people to do something that benefits them).
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Cretox State
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Postby Cretox State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:49 am

Electrum wrote:So we've got issues based on @@LEADER@@'s favourite colour and their favourite hobby.

Is an issue about their signature style a good idea? I got the idea from looking at memes on Donald Trump signing things.

I'm thinking something like:
- A ridiculously long, loopy signature that takes ten seconds to write
- X
- A seal stamp (like in Japan)
- Printed name
- A simple scribble
- Using multiple pens really slowly, so that they can be given away (here)

You would just need to take care to minimize the overlap with #1263.
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:09 am

Trotterdam wrote:To me, the term "nanny state" suggests a government that tries to "protect" its citizens by outlawing them from doing stupid stuff, even when the stupid stuff wouldn't be hurting anyone except themselves (and their financial dependents, I guess). For example, banning gambling so idiots don't squander their life's savings on a gambling addiction, banning alcohol so people don't become alcoholic bums, etc. We certainly have issues about those kinds of things.

The problem is that "being a nanny state" isn't an issue. Any particular proposed law is something that can be put to debate. An extremely broad, ambiguously-defined category of possible laws is not something that you can make a sweeping decision over.

Instead of complaining about nanny states, why not make an issue about laser pointers?

I suppose. Laser pointers could be their own issue
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:11 am

Hmm. Know what, I like that idea.

"Someone used a laser pointer to blind an airplane pilot, causing him to crash into the airport."

>Ban laser pointers
>Ban planes
>Make it so the cockpit is sealed off but they can look outside using cameras that filter out excessive brightness
>Give pilots mandatory flashing light tolerance training and
>Point a laser at the guy who committed the crime so he gets into an accident and learns from his mistake

I mean there are so many possibilities for an issue here...
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Postby Cretox State » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:33 am

Jutsa wrote:Hmm. Know what, I like that idea.

"Someone used a laser pointer to blind an airplane pilot, causing him to crash into the airport."

>Ban laser pointers
>Ban planes
>Make it so the cockpit is sealed off but they can look outside using cameras that filter out excessive brightness
>Give pilots mandatory flashing light tolerance training and
>Point a laser at the guy who committed the crime so he gets into an accident and learns from his mistake

I mean there are so many possibilities for an issue here...

  • automate the planes
  • install expensive new safety technology and one-way glass in every plane
  • turn laser pointers into a military weapon
  • regulate the types of allowed laser pointers
  • "He had the right idea; that plane was really loud and annoying! Everyone should get their own military-grade laser pointer. Better yet, let people put up SAM batteries in their front yards. And tanks! Everyone loves tanks."
"Miracle on the @@CAPITAL@@ River: A small-town tourist at @@CAPITAL@@ International Airport recently aimed a military-grade laser pointer at the cockpit of a plane that was taking off. While the well-trained pilots were annoyed yet unfazed, the light blinded a nearby pigeon, causing the disoriented bird to fly into one of the plane's jet engines..."
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Minskiev
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:12 am

Saw this in a Draft. Are there issues that make you quit the WA?
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Sanctaria
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Postby Sanctaria » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:12 am

Minskiev wrote:Saw this in a Draft. Are there issues that make you quit the WA?

yes
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Minskiev
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:25 am

Sorry for wasting some more time, but could you give an example?
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Postby Cretox State » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:30 am

Minskiev wrote:Sorry for wasting some more time, but could you give an example?

#132 (written by Sanctaria, btw).
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Jutsa
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Postby Jutsa » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:56 am

The only other issue that I know of that involves this is #837. :P
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Minskiev
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:02 pm

Interesting! Alright, thanks TWB!
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Postby ArmedKing » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:42 pm

Cretox State wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Sorry for wasting some more time, but could you give an example?

#132 (written by Sanctaria, btw).


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Postby Minskiev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:06 pm

Relax, not all “research” is trustworthy. It also didn’t sound like an issue could do that.
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Postby ArmedKing » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:11 pm

Don't underestimate me.I am older than you in nationstates :p
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Postby Minskiev » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:33 pm

When did I underestimate you?

I’m cutting this argument short.
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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:29 pm

Is there an editor who could give an update on my submitted issue Full Time for Female Football? (Submitted end of April) Not impatient or anything, just want to know if it’s been rejected so I can try and make it better and resubmit
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:47 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:Is there an editor who could give an update on my submitted issue Full Time for Female Football? (Submitted end of April) Not impatient or anything, just want to know if it’s been rejected so I can try and make it better and resubmit

Considering that we co-authored that, it's a nice courtesy to telegram your co-authors about such matters :)
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:52 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:Is there an editor who could give an update on my submitted issue Full Time for Female Football? (Submitted end of April) Not impatient or anything, just want to know if it’s been rejected so I can try and make it better and resubmit

Also, considering the recent issue contest which would take presidence over anything else, I could imagine that non-contest issues would be a last priority. Given that there's been a huge influx of issues, contest or otherwise, and no increase in manpower amongst issue editors, I'd wait a few more months
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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:56 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Is there an editor who could give an update on my submitted issue Full Time for Female Football? (Submitted end of April) Not impatient or anything, just want to know if it’s been rejected so I can try and make it better and resubmit

Considering that we co-authored that, it's a nice courtesy to telegram your co-authors about such matters :)

I was gonna ask when I get a response :)
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Tourette's Syndrome and Mental Illness

Postby Tanu Tuval » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:31 am

Serious Question (please tag me if you reply so I will see the response):

I just completed one of my daily issues, which dealt with mental illness and schizophrenia. The issue provided utilized a parody of Don Quixote. When I opted for allowing my Ministers to hold office if they have a mental illness, I received this as the Talking Point:

"Small children are learning a lot of new words from a teacher with Tourette Syndrome."

I am literally an elementary teacher who has Tourette's Syndrome, and found this statement to be at best a misinformed attempt at humor and at worst outdated prejudice. To keep information concise, there are a few things wrong with the statement I was provided.

1. The diagnosis is Tourette's Syndrome, not Tourette Syndrome.
2. The author implies individuals with the condition have coprolalia (possessing tics of stating curses or taboo words), of which, only 10% of the population with Tourette's Syndrome have.
3. The reason coprolalia exists as a symptom to begin with is that a person is trying to suppress bad actions or bad thoughts. An analogy would be the urge to touch a hot stove. Although the individual knows that touching the stove will provide harm, they are compulsed to touch said stove to test the harmfulness. Having taboo words in the first place is literally the reason that coprolalia can exist, as it provides an opportunity for negative-response words. Having a teacher teach vocabulary to small children would actually provide the opposite response of the author's implication, by getting rid of any "bad" words in society to fixate on.

My overall question is:
1. Is there a way to review the author country of one of your given issues? I did not notice the author name, as it only appeared to be misinformed at the Talking Point conclusion of the issue.
2. Is there a way to ask for a review of a given issue, either to the author or to a Game Moderator?

My intention is to inform the author and ask for a changing of wording, as it was in slightly bad taste. I am not looking to bad mouth the author, ask for a ban, or any other extravagant measures. I would simply like to see if an issue can be recorded.

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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:33 am

That goes in the fix old issues megathread, I believe.
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