Texas Republicans propose State Electoral college

[Thermodolia]

If people are so worried about tyranny of the majority, maybe we can agree to a certain amount of devolution, not subjecting a majority to the whims of a partisan minority.

If they're so worried about tyranny of the majority then maybe they should, IDK, stop living in a democracy.

No this isn’t the solution. The solution is to have a more democratic electoral system like MMP, STV, or PR so that nobody is left out of the legislature and a government is formed by consensus

[Fluvannia]

If people are so worried about tyranny of the majority, maybe we can agree to a certain amount of devolution, not subjecting a majority to the whims of a partisan minority.

This -- if the government in general were less powerful, and that power were more weighted toward the local level, there would be less of a concern over who exactly holds that power.

As far as the topic of the thread goes -- I don't really care, as I don't live in Texas and my own state has problems of its own, like why its Secretary of Health Services got to her job without knowing how to properly craft public regulations within her authority. I can't see this standing up to "one man, one vote" though, since that's why state senates no longer function as representatives of each county.

[The Reformed American Republic]

If people are so worried about tyranny of the majority, maybe we can agree to a certain amount of devolution, not subjecting a majority to the whims of a partisan minority.

This is why we need something like IRV or a two round system for the single winner elections. That way everyone has at least someone they can tolerate

Yes. I absolutely hate first past the post.

[Fluvannia]

This is why we need something like IRV or a two round system for the single winner elections. That way everyone has at least someone they can tolerate

Yes. I absolutely hate first past the post.

I rather like approval voting, myself.

[Kowani]

This is why we need something like IRV or a two round system for the single winner elections. That way everyone has at least someone they can tolerate

Yes. I absolutely hate first past the post.

You know who likes FPTP? Centrists.

[New haven america]

Yes. I absolutely hate first past the post.

You know who likes FPTP? Centrists.

How dare you bring up that word in this household.

[San Lumen]

If people are so worried about tyranny of the majority, maybe we can agree to a certain amount of devolution, not subjecting a majority to the whims of a partisan minority.

This -- if the government in general were less powerful, and that power were more weighted toward the local level, there would be less of a concern over who exactly holds that power.

As far as the topic of the thread goes -- I don't really care, as I don't live in Texas and my own state has problems of its own, like why its Secretary of Health Services got to her job without knowing how to properly craft public regulations within her authority. I can't see this standing up to "one man, one vote" though, since that's why state senates no longer function as representatives of each county.

It would not be constitutional and would violate one man one vote without a doubt

[Mississippi River Country]

If people are so worried about tyranny of the majority, maybe we can agree to a certain amount of devolution, not subjecting a majority to the whims of a partisan minority.

If they're so worried about tyranny of the majority then maybe they should, IDK, stop living in a democracy.

*Representative democracy

[Cetacea]

Just more evidence that the US isn’t a democracy and has got to the point where the Republicans don’t even care to pretend any longer.

The US is a corporatist plutocracy and it’s system broken

[Fauzjhia]

https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?

this Certainly violate the democratic rule.
and it seem that republican are going to become fascist, with their defense, ( we won't allow small state, left-wing state to dominate )

you know, you can't criticize China for having rigged elections, while you have rigged elections at home.

[Fauzjhia]

Just more evidence that the US isn’t a democracy and has got to the point where the Republicans don’t even care to pretend any longer.

The US is a corporatist plutocracy and it’s system broken

Trump was elected despite having lost the electoral votes. so no, its not a democracy.

[Stellar Colonies]

Just more evidence that the US isn’t a democracy and has got to the point where the Republicans don’t even care to pretend any longer.

The US is a corporatist plutocracy and it’s system broken

Trump was elected despite having lost the electoral votes. so no, its not a democracy.

Do you mean the popular vote?

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

The Democrats think they can run everything because they have the cities, but they forget it's us deplorables in the county that insure the shelves are stocked and they don't starve. If they don't remember that and treat us right we may have to remind them who controls the food.

Then again...while you guys may have all the food you'll ever need, you'll be severely lacking in doctors, teachers, and other highly skilled labor. Services such as schooling and medicine would be pretty limited because of the brain drain. You'd also be lacking "professional" farmers: those that go on to seek higher education to become agricultural-engineers and the like that know much more about how to tend to the soil than your regular farmer.

The beauty of scientific advancement has shown the modern world the extent of agricultural expansion we can achieve. We could build vertical farms (great for cities), grow lab meat with the same traditional components of regular meat, and much more with the help of modern engineering and science. The cities could be very well off by just investing in these two technologies alone.

[Oreganote]

I do not even like the Federal Electoral College. It just goes to show you how wrong our toxic dividing the two party system is. We need to try make it easier for the so called “Thrid” parties( minor parties) to get elect to the government and encourage civilized behavior.

[Rusozak]

I do not even like the Federal Electoral College. It just goes to show you how wrong our toxic dividing the two party system is. We need to try make it easier for the so called “Thrid” parties( minor parties) to get elect to the government and encourage civilized behavior.

Problem is the 2 parties hold the power to change the system and aren't going to relinquish their hold.

[Fauzjhia]

I do not even like the Federal Electoral College. It just goes to show you how wrong our toxic dividing the two party system is. We need to try make it easier for the so called “Thrid” parties( minor parties) to get elect to the government and encourage civilized behavior.

That is impossible in the current two-party system, it is designated to snuff third-parties, like all first-past-the-post electoral system. and it does its job well

youi want multipartism ? scrap electoral college, proportional representation.

but Republican and conservative will complain about (democrate possible rule), and use that as an excuse against anyone who might criticize conservative vision.
welcome to america

and not all democrats want to scrap the system, multiple democrats are conservatives (in that way), so they will not change a system they,ve been using for many time.

[San Lumen]

https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?

this Certainly violate the democratic rule.
and it seem that republican are going to become fascist, with their defense, ( we won't allow small state, left-wing state to dominate )

you know, you can't criticize China for having rigged elections, while you have rigged elections at home.

I have a hard time seeing how this goes anywhere considering it would very likely be struck down in court.

Mississippi has a similar system to what's being proposed. In order to win the Governorship and Attorney General election one must get the most votes and a majority of state house districts. A lawsuit was filed though im not entirely sure what the outcome was. A constitutional amendment will likely be on the ballot in the fall to eliminate it.

[Ism]

I always wondered how the Republicans would react to Texas turning purple. I'd like to go back to that magical time of 20 minutes ago. I was happier then.

[Fauzjhia]

I always wondered how the Republicans would react to Texas turning purple. I'd like to go back to that magical time of 20 minutes ago. I was happier then.

obviously they are going to try to suppress votes, by thing like voters ID, or electoral, with excuse (small cities should have a say) or (voter fraud) while they themselves are going to deny the voice of the majority, like its only democratic when republican wins.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Silly Texas. What you need to do is have Democrats elect by primaries one person, Republican elect by primaries another person, then the Judiciary would select one from among their senior ranks to create the ruling Triumvirate. I suggest the Council of All Texas For Integration Glory and High Taxes, or CATFIGHT for short.

OK, I admit I'm just trying to come up with a worse system than Electoral College, but it would work to retain at least a share of power for Republicans in the future ...

[Fluvannia]

I do not even like the Federal Electoral College. It just goes to show you how wrong our toxic dividing the two party system is. We need to try make it easier for the so called “Thrid” parties( minor parties) to get elect to the government and encourage civilized behavior.

That is impossible in the current two-party system, it is designated to snuff third-parties, like all first-past-the-post electoral system. and it does its job well

youi want multipartism ? scrap electoral college, proportional representation.

but Republican and conservative will complain about (democrate possible rule), and use that as an excuse against anyone who might criticize conservative vision.
welcome to america

and not all democrats want to scrap the system, multiple democrats are conservatives (in that way), so they will not change a system they,ve been using for many time.

I mean, I would argue against scrapping the Electoral College at the federal level as well as moving to a proportional system. I'm okay with ditching FPTP (like I said, I actually rather like approval voting), but I'd prefer to continue to be able to actually vote for my representative as opposed to some party list decided by God knows who. Mixed-member representation could be acceptable depending on the specifics, but since that would require an amendment, it seems like an alternate method of awarding each district is easier. Voting method is something decided at the state level, so it should be easier to change, as well as easier to tailor to the preferences of people within that state.

I don't mind reforming the EC, but if you want to scrap it, then the 17th Amendment needs to go with it in order to better preserve some sort of federal system. This is not a unitary state and never has been, it's far too diverse to function as one. In my opinion that diversity is a good thing, but this is the price we pay for it, so to speak.

[Fauzjhia]

That is impossible in the current two-party system, it is designated to snuff third-parties, like all first-past-the-post electoral system. and it does its job well

youi want multipartism ? scrap electoral college, proportional representation.

but Republican and conservative will complain about (democrate possible rule), and use that as an excuse against anyone who might criticize conservative vision.
welcome to america

and not all democrats want to scrap the system, multiple democrats are conservatives (in that way), so they will not change a system they,ve been using for many time.

I mean, I would argue against scrapping the Electoral College at the federal level as well as moving to a proportional system. I'm okay with ditching FPTP (like I said, I actually rather like approval voting), but I'd prefer to continue to be able to actually vote for my representative as opposed to some party list decided by God knows who. Mixed-member representation could be acceptable depending on the specifics, but since that would require an amendment, it seems like an alternate method of awarding each district is easier. Voting method is something decided at the state level, so it should be easier to change, as well as easier to tailor to the preferences of people within that state.

I don't mind reforming the EC, but if you want to scrap it, then the 17th Amendment needs to go with it in order to better preserve some sort of federal system. This is not a unitary state and never has been, it's far too diverse to function as one. In my opinion that diversity is a good thing, but this is the price we pay for it, so to speak.

there is a proportional system that do not use party-submitted list, but candidates votes, along with votes for the party.
you say you votes for democrat, as well as that you vote for a certain candidate of the democratic party, and the candidate who is elected would the person who has most vote, in parties that get enough votes for a seat.

[San Lumen]

Silly Texas. What you need to do is have Democrats elect by primaries one person, Republican elect by primaries another person, then the Judiciary would select one from among their senior ranks to create the ruling Triumvirate. I suggest the Council of All Texas For Integration Glory and High Taxes, or CATFIGHT for short.

OK, I admit I'm just trying to come up with a worse system than Electoral College, but it would work to retain at least a share of power for Republicans in the future ...

Dont give them ideas.

[Rojava Free State]

Is the Republican Party just the party of bad ideas at this point? You'll fuck up entire state elections this way.

[Thermodolia]

That is impossible in the current two-party system, it is designated to snuff third-parties, like all first-past-the-post electoral system. and it does its job well

youi want multipartism ? scrap electoral college, proportional representation.

but Republican and conservative will complain about (democrate possible rule), and use that as an excuse against anyone who might criticize conservative vision.
welcome to america

and not all democrats want to scrap the system, multiple democrats are conservatives (in that way), so they will not change a system they,ve been using for many time.

I mean, I would argue against scrapping the Electoral College at the federal level as well as moving to a proportional system. I'm okay with ditching FPTP (like I said, I actually rather like approval voting), but I'd prefer to continue to be able to actually vote for my representative as opposed to some party list decided by God knows who. Mixed-member representation could be acceptable depending on the specifics, but since that would require an amendment, it seems like an alternate method of awarding each district is easier. Voting method is something decided at the state level, so it should be easier to change, as well as easier to tailor to the preferences of people within that state.

I don't mind reforming the EC, but if you want to scrap it, then the 17th Amendment needs to go with it in order to better preserve some sort of federal system. This is not a unitary state and never has been, it's far too diverse to function as one. In my opinion that diversity is a good thing, but this is the price we pay for it, so to speak.

Actually it wouldn’t need an amendment to change the voting system. You just have to have one that keeps district elected representatives. So STV, SNTV, IRV, two round, and approval voting would all work. MMP might be constitutionally legal as the constitution doesn’t say that all representatives have to be elected by local districts.

So technically congress could pass a law banning FPTP and requiring states to choose from STV, IRV, SNTV, two round, or approval voting.