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by Luziyca » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:25 pm
by Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:27 pm
Duvniask wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”
Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.
What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.
by Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:30 pm
by Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Luziyca wrote:This does not surprise me at all, since most legislatures in Europe and her settler colonies are dominated by white men anyway.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:31 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:32 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Thermodolia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:32 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Duvniask wrote:Stop and look at my post just before that one, because this is bullshit.
Any "privilege" afforded to white people specifically for being white is trivial at best. You'll do far better as a rich person of any race, because wealth has 100 times the privilege points being white has.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:33 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Diarcesia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:59 pm
by San Lumen » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:11 pm
Diarcesia wrote:San Lumen wrote:I don’t understand your point
If my memory serves right, almost all of the measures that formally prevent women and minorities from elected office are already gone. Most of what remains is a matter of enforcement or personal biases. In the case of the latter, it's something laws can't legislate effectively.
by Ors Might » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:15 pm
by San Lumen » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Ors Might wrote:The problem with framing white privilege as, well, white privilege is that yes, while it may be true that the cops are both less likely to beat a poor white guy to death and less likely to get away with it if they do than if it were a poor black guy, that’s not exactly a high bar to pass, now is it?
by Shofercia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Were you ever beaten up by cops? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!
Have you been discriminated against by the Government? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!
Wait, why's everyone laughing, several SJW's don't understand.
Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”
San Lumen wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.
Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation
How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?
Rojava Free State wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Of course they do. Intersectionality is pushed by the upper class and the mega corporations to divide the poor and working class. Because what better way to keep the poor and workers from thinking about how you are fucking them than to say that one half is your enemy instead of your allies
Basically "I'm rich and black and I'm a politician and a former fortune 500 company owner but look at how I'm oppressed. Some rando on 8chan called me the n word."
by Ors Might » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:19 pm
San Lumen wrote:Ors Might wrote:The problem with framing white privilege as, well, white privilege is that yes, while it may be true that the cops are both less likely to beat a poor white guy to death and less likely to get away with it if they do than if it were a poor black guy, that’s not exactly a high bar to pass, now is it?
And this is related to the topic how?
by Shofercia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:28 pm
San Lumen wrote:Ors Might wrote:The problem with framing white privilege as, well, white privilege is that yes, while it may be true that the cops are both less likely to beat a poor white guy to death and less likely to get away with it if they do than if it were a poor black guy, that’s not exactly a high bar to pass, now is it?
And this is related to the topic how?
Duvniask wrote:This does not explain why the disparity in stops disappears when it turns dark and the police can't make out the race of the person they're stopping.
Duvniask wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”
Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.
What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.
by Duvniask » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:30 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Duvniask wrote:Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.
What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.
I believe that the idea of “privilege and intersectionality” to be stupid ideologies fed to people who want to seem smart by the ruling class.
Is there racism and abuse of rights against minorities? Most definitely but that doesn’t mean that poor whites are somehow privileged because they aren’t abused by the cops.
Being not abused by the police is a right all citizens should have and the absence of such rights isn’t a lack of privilege but a lack of rights and a miscarriage of justice
by Duvniask » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:30 pm
by Duvniask » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:52 pm
Shofercia wrote:Duvniask wrote:Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.
What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.
Because you don't get to redefine terms. Privilege means privilege. Not being beaten up by cops, not being discriminated against, is NOT a privilege, because it IS a RIGHT! You'd have a much easier time making an argument stating that people of color aren't getting their Rights, than you do of accusing poor whites of being privileged. Whoever marketed that phrase deliberately meant to keep Americans divided, because you SUPPORT RIGHTS and TAKE AWAY PRIVILEGES.
By framing the oppression of people of color as "White Privilege" rather than "Oppression of Human Rights of Human Beings" you're alienating the very people who might otherwise help you. Even if you believe that there's some reason that blacks are treated inferior to whites, you should still find allies in the class battle, because the majority of blacks are poor, and you'll have a much easier time lifting blacks out of poverty on a class basis, rather than a race/ethnicity basis.
by Diarcesia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Duvniask wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Because you don't get to redefine terms. Privilege means privilege. Not being beaten up by cops, not being discriminated against, is NOT a privilege, because it IS a RIGHT! You'd have a much easier time making an argument stating that people of color aren't getting their Rights, than you do of accusing poor whites of being privileged. Whoever marketed that phrase deliberately meant to keep Americans divided, because you SUPPORT RIGHTS and TAKE AWAY PRIVILEGES.
By framing the oppression of people of color as "White Privilege" rather than "Oppression of Human Rights of Human Beings" you're alienating the very people who might otherwise help you. Even if you believe that there's some reason that blacks are treated inferior to whites, you should still find allies in the class battle, because the majority of blacks are poor, and you'll have a much easier time lifting blacks out of poverty on a class basis, rather than a race/ethnicity basis.
More semantic nonsense masquerading as a point. I'm not redefining anything. People in this thread are ignoramuses who know nothing about what is meant by the term and then screech that they too get into confrontations with cops, as if that proves anything, and then continue their screeching when corrected on their erroneous use of the term. If that's how it is I'm not going to waste my time.
A social privilege is a social advantage (or entitlement) from which one can benefit. Not being brutalized by police as often as others is an advantage (duh), and having a wider range of educational options than your peers is also a privilege. Having vast sums of money is a privilege. All of these are advantages that different groups systematically posesses to different extents. It doesn't matter what we've decided to assign the status of "right", because whether someone is privileged or not is a different question to whether or not they're in full possession of their legally-afforded rights (they needn't overlap in all cases). In the situation of police brutality, for instance, the actual white privilege occurring is that while there surely are many police officers who target and harass Black and White people alike, it's also more likely that there are police officers who are especially biased against Black people, and therefore target them considerably more often.
In short, groups are privileged if they on average experience less hurdles in life - or inversely, have more opportunities, which really is the opposite side of the same coin of advantages.
by South Odreria 2 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:42 pm
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Farnhamia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:59 pm
Duvniask wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Because you don't get to redefine terms. Privilege means privilege. Not being beaten up by cops, not being discriminated against, is NOT a privilege, because it IS a RIGHT! You'd have a much easier time making an argument stating that people of color aren't getting their Rights, than you do of accusing poor whites of being privileged. Whoever marketed that phrase deliberately meant to keep Americans divided, because you SUPPORT RIGHTS and TAKE AWAY PRIVILEGES.
By framing the oppression of people of color as "White Privilege" rather than "Oppression of Human Rights of Human Beings" you're alienating the very people who might otherwise help you. Even if you believe that there's some reason that blacks are treated inferior to whites, you should still find allies in the class battle, because the majority of blacks are poor, and you'll have a much easier time lifting blacks out of poverty on a class basis, rather than a race/ethnicity basis.
More semantic nonsense masquerading as a point. I'm not redefining anything. People in this thread are ignoramuses who know nothing about what is meant by the term and then screech that they too get into confrontations with cops, as if that proves anything, and then continue their screeching when corrected on their erroneous use of the term. If that's how it is I'm not going to waste my time.
A social privilege is a social advantage (or entitlement) from which one can benefit. Not being brutalized by police as often as others is an advantage (duh), and having a wider range of educational options than your peers is also a privilege. Having vast sums of money is a privilege. All of these are advantages that different groups systematically posesses to different extents. It doesn't matter what we've decided to assign the status of "right", because whether someone is privileged or not is a different question to whether or not they're in full possession of their legally-afforded rights (they needn't overlap in all cases). In the situation of police brutality, for instance, the actual white privilege occurring is that while there surely are many police officers who target and harass Black and White people alike, it's also more likely that there are police officers who are especially biased against Black people, and therefore target them considerably more often.
In short, groups are privileged if they on average experience less hurdles in life - or inversely, have more opportunities, which really is the opposite side of the same coin of advantages.
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