Waltz is interesting
I liked him in all roles, even the controversial Specter Bond movie
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by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:32 pm
by Ameriganastan » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:48 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:17 am
Ameriganastan wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Waltz is interesting
I liked him in all roles, even the controversial Specter Bond movie
Oh, right. He was in that. I guess I should rephrase that: It's been too long since I've seen a movie where he's the villain. I never watched the Craig Bond movies. Don't like his take.
Though if we're going with the younger take (Or at least younger looking), I'm thinking someone like...Eddie Redmayne. Just have him dial the ham back a touch so he doesn't go all Jupiter Ascending on us and he'd nail young Doom.
by HC Eredivisie » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:27 am
Nah, we don;t need to put a mask on Waltz. I liked the original Doom, who was actually a king/ruler instead of a college drop out living in a shed. And the actor was decent enough, he looked like how Doom should look like.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:07 am
HC Eredivisie wrote:Nah, we don;t need to put a mask on Waltz. I liked the original Doom, who was actually a king/ruler instead of a college drop out living in a shed. And the actor was decent enough, he looked like how Doom should look like.Infected Mushroom wrote:
Waltz is interesting
I liked him in all roles, even the controversial Specter Bond movie
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:17 am
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:56 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Well I hope they really explore the political side of Doom (as ruler of his own kingdom).
That’s something movie versions of Doom have not adequately explored so far.
by Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:02 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Well I hope they really explore the political side of Doom (as ruler of his own kingdom).
That’s something movie versions of Doom have not adequately explored so far.
I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
by Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:04 am
Cisairse wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
Hey, The Phantom Menace pulled it off.
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:07 am
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:50 am
Cisairse wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
Hey, The Phantom Menace pulled it off.
by Christian Confederation » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:04 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Well I hope they really explore the political side of Doom (as ruler of his own kingdom).
That’s something movie versions of Doom have not adequately explored so far.
I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
by Forsher » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:14 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Well I hope they really explore the political side of Doom (as ruler of his own kingdom).
That’s something movie versions of Doom have not adequately explored so far.
I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:24 pm
by Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:02 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Jesus christ. This is why I never said anything in comic book stores.
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Gig em Aggies » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:37 pm
by Forsher » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:09 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:There's no way I'm' reading that whole thing because "look at Black Panther..."
Cool. If the politics of Latveria are "transfer of power is handled by hand to hand combat in a waterfall" then go for it.
Jesus christ. This is why I never said anything in comic book stores.
by Ameriganastan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:15 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:25 pm
Ameriganastan wrote:20 years ago on this day, X-Men the movie came out.
Superhero movies sure have come a long way since then.
by The first Galactic Republic » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:00 pm
Ameriganastan wrote:20 years ago on this day, X-Men the movie came out.
Superhero movies sure have come a long way since then.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:26 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Ameriganastan wrote:20 years ago on this day, X-Men the movie came out.
Superhero movies sure have come a long way since then.
A pretty important movie itself.
The holocaust scene at the beginning went a long way towards getting audiences to take superhero movies seriously. Consider the camp that had been coming out in the prior decade.
by The first Galactic Republic » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:31 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:The first Galactic Republic wrote:A pretty important movie itself.
The holocaust scene at the beginning went a long way towards getting audiences to take superhero movies seriously. Consider the camp that had been coming out in the prior decade.
I would love to split the difference. After the debacle of Batman & Robin they jumped on this 'realism' kick, especially with Nolan's Batman. The problem is that realistically, Batman is stupid. And problematic. The gothic stylistic nature of Burton's Batman was appropriate for Batman and part of what made the animated series inspired by that aesthetic so great (as well as Bruce Timm just being on top of his shit). Raimi did a pretty good job of making a picture perfect Spider-man...Aunt May looked ripped from the page. Marvel took over a decade to bring things back around to being comic book movies instead of action movies with super powers.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:15 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I would love to split the difference. After the debacle of Batman & Robin they jumped on this 'realism' kick, especially with Nolan's Batman. The problem is that realistically, Batman is stupid. And problematic. The gothic stylistic nature of Burton's Batman was appropriate for Batman and part of what made the animated series inspired by that aesthetic so great (as well as Bruce Timm just being on top of his shit). Raimi did a pretty good job of making a picture perfect Spider-man...Aunt May looked ripped from the page. Marvel took over a decade to bring things back around to being comic book movies instead of action movies with super powers.
I don’t disagree really. I don’t like every superhero movie from the early 2000’s. There’s only a few that really stand out.
It took until the 2010’s for the quality to be more consistent, and at the same time, that’s the decade we started to see more unique superhero movies like Logan, or Spiderverse, or dare I say LEGO Batman.
by Cisairse » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:20 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:21 pm
Forsher wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know that a major summer blockbuster super hero movie is going to spend a great deal of time on its villain balancing the Latevarian finances or balancing issues of housing while spending most of the countries budget on death rays.
I dunno... look at Black Panther. Mind you, that'd really only work if they did a Doom solo film. (That being said, there are people who complain that we don't see enough of Wakanda's constitution! I mean, wtf. It has nothing to do with anything.)
I would assume that a political!Doom would mostly consist of scenes set in his castle, with Doom on a throne... maybe eerie sequences of walking through Doomstadt with an overtly pro-Doom populace or, alternatively, an understated but clearly obvious scepticism of the main characters. And I'm not sure we'd really need much more than this. Hobnobbing with people at an embassy is another good option, too (see: Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows for that style of scene). Of course, he'd always be coming across as very manipulative.
If they did do a Doom solo or non-origin story FF bad guy film... I would assume they'd set it during his takeover of Latveria. It probably wouldn't be much like, say, Hitler: the Rise of Evil (starring Liev Schreiber of all people) or even the Manchurian Candidate (only seen the remake... also with Liev Schreiber), but instead be more like Inside Man... with Doom taking the Clive Owen character's role... combined with, um, Disney's Robin Hood?
So... Doom would be associated with the inner machinations of Court/government if Latveria starts off as a republic, but the current ruler is definitely a Prince John type with a Sheriff of Nottingham style "dragon". These two geniuses will have wronged Doom (probably by causing his mother's death) and so Doom is out to get revenge. However, the movie is actually framed through a related revenge against the Fantastic Four plot (for the superhero action sequences) which is where the Inside Man comparison comes in (it's about a political goal but framed through a heist led by a character we know is in more control than our hero thinks).
Perhaps Doom stages some sort of robot based attack on the Baxter Building/America. Reed recognises the engineering signature as Doom's so the FF are sent in/allowed to go to Latveria to take Doom down... but this is exactly what he wants to happen. And then you get all sorts of chaos and destruction which is engineered to make Prince John and the Sheriff look bad, the FF slowly realising that they're being played and then the final fight... which Doom loses, but it's too late, he's executed Prince John and the Sheriff, so the FF no longer have the authority to arrest him (somehow executing those two makes Doom king) so they're forced to leave.
Hmm... is Disney's Robin Hood actually really into the machinations of governance? Yes, yes it is. Good God.
I guess there's always a Shakespearean model. Probably Macbeth. Maybe Hamlet.
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