by Geneviev » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:54 pm
by Xmara » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:06 pm
by Geneviev » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:09 pm
Xmara wrote:The US public education system is in desperate need of reforms, that's for sure.
As for alternatives, homeschooling is really only good if the person instructing the student is able to adequately teach them everything they need to know. I have a cousin whose wife homeschools their four kids, and it was one of the worst decisions they could have made, IMO. Her idea is that "eh, they'll get it eventually." Pretty sure her 7 year old can't even read.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:18 pm
by Soiled fruit roll ups » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:20 pm
Geneviev wrote:Xmara wrote:The US public education system is in desperate need of reforms, that's for sure.
As for alternatives, homeschooling is really only good if the person instructing the student is able to adequately teach them everything they need to know. I have a cousin whose wife homeschools their four kids, and it was one of the worst decisions they could have made, IMO. Her idea is that "eh, they'll get it eventually." Pretty sure her 7 year old can't even read.
I think homeschooling is one thing where parents would need a lot of help from people who might be more qualified.
by Geneviev » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:31 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Public schooling should be a right of children, which even their parents cannot over-ride.
Any child being home-schooled against their will, or sent to any private/religious school against their will, should be entitled to a social worker or police to collect them from home and take them to or from the public school they live in the catchment of.
If that's what they want, it is their right and the state should protect their rights.
by Red Intria » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:43 pm
Geneviev wrote:I think homeschooling is one thing where parents would need a lot of help from people who might be more qualified.
by Major-Tom » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:46 pm
by Cetacea » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:10 am
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:12 am
by Port Spratly » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:24 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:57 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Ask your parents to explain what a logarithm is.
The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:06 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Ask your parents to explain what a logarithm is.
Kid: "What's a logariggum?"*parent googles*
Parent: "the logarithm is the inverse function to exponentiation, dear"
Kid: "but muuum, what is a function?"*parent googles*
Parent: "a function is a binary relation over two sets that associates to every element of the first set exactly one element of the second set, I think"
Kid: "Mum, can we do geography now?"The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
I think a lot of learning in school is motivated by competition with other kids. Some kids don't work that way of course. And some kids have a love of learning that can be turned to anything. But taking away the competitive aspect of school for a more impersonal "virtual" school I think would leave a big motivational hole.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:12 am
Geneviev wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Public schooling should be a right of children, which even their parents cannot over-ride.
Any child being home-schooled against their will, or sent to any private/religious school against their will, should be entitled to a social worker or police to collect them from home and take them to or from the public school they live in the catchment of.
If that's what they want, it is their right and the state should protect their rights.
I don't think many children would want any education, so there's always going to be parents who force it on them. Children are children.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:17 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Kid: "What's a logariggum?"*parent googles*
Parent: "the logarithm is the inverse function to exponentiation, dear"
Kid: "but muuum, what is a function?"*parent googles*
Parent: "a function is a binary relation over two sets that associates to every element of the first set exactly one element of the second set, I think"
Kid: "Mum, can we do geography now?"
I think a lot of learning in school is motivated by competition with other kids. Some kids don't work that way of course. And some kids have a love of learning that can be turned to anything. But taking away the competitive aspect of school for a more impersonal "virtual" school I think would leave a big motivational hole.
You could replace that with a gaming model: point scoring, level ups , anonymous rankings, rewards and loot boxes... an educational battle royale
by Cetacea » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:07 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
You could replace that with a gaming model: point scoring, level ups , anonymous rankings, rewards and loot boxes... an educational battle royale
I'm a bit concerned that with the immersion and the intellectual richness together, kids might not bring the learning and skills back into the real world. But maybe it works; I'm pretty sure it's been tried and we could find out.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:16 am
by Latvijas Otra Republika » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:43 am
by Geneviev » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:12 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Kid: "What's a logariggum?"*parent googles*
Parent: "the logarithm is the inverse function to exponentiation, dear"
Kid: "but muuum, what is a function?"*parent googles*
Parent: "a function is a binary relation over two sets that associates to every element of the first set exactly one element of the second set, I think"
Kid: "Mum, can we do geography now?"
I think a lot of learning in school is motivated by competition with other kids. Some kids don't work that way of course. And some kids have a love of learning that can be turned to anything. But taking away the competitive aspect of school for a more impersonal "virtual" school I think would leave a big motivational hole.
You could replace that with a gaming model: point scoring, level ups , anonymous rankings, rewards and loot boxes... an educational battle royale
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Geneviev wrote:I don't think many children would want any education, so there's always going to be parents who force it on them. Children are children.
You missed the point. Given that education IS forced on children, they should be able to choose which they prefer.
Practically speaking, that means that kids in private school, in religious school, or in homeschool, would all have the option of public school instead. If their parents don't agree, send in government employees to make it so.
It doesn't go the other way:
If the parents chose a public school the kid doesn't have the right to demand homeschooling instead. Because they might be bad at it.
If the parents chose a public school and the kid wants a religious school instead, maybe. If it's not too expensive for the parents.
If the parents chose a public school and the kid wants an expensive private school. Almost certainly not. Most parents can't afford it.
Of course I could spend some taxpayer money and widen the options for the last three types of kid. But I don't like giving taxpayer money to religious organizations or to for-profit schools.
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:You guys apparently get tick boxes for questions and open book exams, I don’t even understand GPA and why doing ‘quizzes’ and getting teacher approval counts up. Not doing homework getting you failed is also a joke.
Honestly, you’re getting scammed. It’s schooling not education.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:33 am
by Thepeopl » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:50 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Ask your parents to explain what a logarithm is.
The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
by The Free Joy State » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:32 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
by Geneviev » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:49 pm
The Free Joy State wrote:A free, accessible public education system is of vital importance. The U.N. states that all children and young people have a right to an education.
In an ideal world, public schools would be better funded and encouraged as the primary form of education for all children, for (to paraphrase the OP) it is not prone to bias in the manner private, less-supervised forms are, and all staff are highly educated; homeschooling would be so strictly regulated that only fully-qualified educators would be allowed to do it (and be checked in the same manner as a school) and private schools would be subject to heavy regulation that would see them providing -- essentially -- an identical curriculum to public schools, only at more cost.
My reverie over, I see U.S. private schools remaining subject to limited restriction, and public schools remaining highly underfunded for the foreseeable future, and homeschooling continuing to vary by state.
Still, the dream was nice.An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
Technically, I think in order for that to happen, every child would need access to their own device and the internet (more than 9 million American children still lack internet access at home, and 11 million don't have a computer for school-work; this number doesn't include the number that share a device).
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:49 pm
The Free Joy State wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The best solution would be an online public school system, like an open university, to support home schooling and as back up for any future pandemics alongside the public education system.
Technically, I think in order for that to happen, every child would need access to their own device and the internet (more than 9 million American children still lack internet access at home, and 11 million don't have a computer for school-work; this number doesn't include the number that share a device).
by The Free Joy State » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:13 am
Geneviev wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:A free, accessible public education system is of vital importance. The U.N. states that all children and young people have a right to an education.
In an ideal world, public schools would be better funded and encouraged as the primary form of education for all children, for (to paraphrase the OP) it is not prone to bias in the manner private, less-supervised forms are, and all staff are highly educated; homeschooling would be so strictly regulated that only fully-qualified educators would be allowed to do it (and be checked in the same manner as a school) and private schools would be subject to heavy regulation that would see them providing -- essentially -- an identical curriculum to public schools, only at more cost.
My reverie over, I see U.S. private schools remaining subject to limited restriction, and public schools remaining highly underfunded for the foreseeable future, and homeschooling continuing to vary by state.
Still, the dream was nice.
Technically, I think in order for that to happen, every child would need access to their own device and the internet (more than 9 million American children still lack internet access at home, and 11 million don't have a computer for school-work; this number doesn't include the number that share a device).
Some schools are able to provide computers and Internet access. It depends on funding, though, and there's not nearly enough right now.
Also, good education for all will be a fantasy for the foreseeable future as public education is not able to survive everything that is happening.
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:
Technically, I think in order for that to happen, every child would need access to their own device and the internet (more than 9 million American children still lack internet access at home, and 11 million don't have a computer for school-work; this number doesn't include the number that share a device).
A very powerful and important point. Surely this is the point where internet access is an essential basic need for every child?
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