by Risottia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:23 am
by East Blepia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:34 am
by Atheris » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:37 am
by Vivolkha » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:51 am
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:53 am
East Blepia wrote:Kosovo is Serbia, both legally and by right. Kosovo would not be separate from Serbia if it were not for the NATO invasion (complete with depleted uranium bombing). It is occupied by an illegal drug-trading regime.
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by Merther » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:02 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:East Blepia wrote:Kosovo is Serbia, both legally and by right. Kosovo would not be separate from Serbia if it were not for the NATO invasion (complete with depleted uranium bombing). It is occupied by an illegal drug-trading regime.
Why the hell should it be part of serbia? Most of its people aren't even Serbs.
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by Oneid » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:05 pm
Vivolkha wrote:Having superficial knownledge about Kosovar politics, this doesn't come across as a surprise to me. Not that uncommon to the ex-Yugoslav countries either, The reaction to it kinda is though. Face facts, Kosovo is no longer Serbia.
by Gravlen » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:08 pm
Risottia wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53201476
Surprise surprise, after more than 20 years turns out that the KLA weren't exactly a band of poor victims.
Of course, the very same country/breakaway province that once whined about Serbia non giving up its politicians to the Hague court now whines about the evil pro-Serbian Hague court that wants to try its president for war crimes, boo hoo.
Can one be more hypocritical? Can we just split up Kosovo in a Serbian part, an Albanian part, and be done with this useless "country" whose only purpose is hosting criminals?
Kosovo President Hashim Thaci will go to The Hague on Monday to be interviewed by international war crimes prosecutors.
Thaci was a top commander of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which fought a guerrilla war for independence from Serbia in the late 1990s. He announced his appearance on his Facebook page on Wednesday.
A special international court has indicted Thaci and other former fighters for alleged war crimes by the KLA, including murder, kidnapping and torture. Thaci has denied the charges.
“While my compatriots as well as me will face international justice with dignity and integrity, I call upon you to stand united in dealing with the challenges that our country is facing,” he said on Facebook.
A pretrial judge in the Kosovo Specialist Chambers has yet to decide whether to put Thaci and the others on trial or throw out the case.
Thaci has told Kosovars that if he is tried, he will “will immediately resign as your president and face the accusations.”
by Vassenor » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:09 pm
East Blepia wrote:Kosovo is Serbia, both legally and by right. Kosovo would not be separate from Serbia if it were not for the NATO invasion (complete with depleted uranium bombing). It is occupied by an illegal drug-trading regime.
by Middle Barael » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:13 pm
by Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:13 pm
Vassenor wrote:East Blepia wrote:Kosovo is Serbia, both legally and by right. Kosovo would not be separate from Serbia if it were not for the NATO invasion (complete with depleted uranium bombing). It is occupied by an illegal drug-trading regime.
>depleted uranium bombing
You do realise that isn't a thing, right?
by Vassenor » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:14 pm
Purpelia wrote:
Actually it is. Most if not all american and quite a bit of soviet AP munitions have depleted uranium as part of their payload because it is a very dense heavy metal that makes for good armor penetration. So anywhere OTAN drops bombs is going to end up contaminated. You have to remember this stuff was designed in a time when everyone expected the next war to be atomic anyway. That's the same justification for why many tanks have DU in their armor.
UNEP tests found no evidence of harm by depleted uranium weapons, even among cleanup workers
by The Chuck » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:24 pm
Vassenor wrote:East Blepia wrote:Kosovo is Serbia, both legally and by right. Kosovo would not be separate from Serbia if it were not for the NATO invasion (complete with depleted uranium bombing). It is occupied by an illegal drug-trading regime.
>depleted uranium bombing
You do realise that isn't a thing, right?
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by Vassenor » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:29 pm
The Chuck wrote:
Not technically in the bombs but definitely in the munitions Vassenor. The Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II "Warthog" close air support aircraft has a 30mm rotary cannon capable of firing Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions that are utilized in anti-armor (anti-everything) roles.
According to sources, between 10 to 15 tons of DU was used in the 1999 Bombing of Yugloslavia so... *shrug*
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Vassenor wrote:Purpelia wrote:Actually it is. Most if not all american and quite a bit of soviet AP munitions have depleted uranium as part of their payload because it is a very dense heavy metal that makes for good armor penetration. So anywhere OTAN drops bombs is going to end up contaminated. You have to remember this stuff was designed in a time when everyone expected the next war to be atomic anyway. That's the same justification for why many tanks have DU in their armor.
And what NATO air-dropped weapons use DU penetrators? Last time I checked it was only really used for tank shells and aircraft cannon rounds intended for tank hunting.
For the record:UNEP tests found no evidence of harm by depleted uranium weapons, even among cleanup workers
Cited Source: Depleted Uranium in Serbia and Montenegro: Post-Conflict Environmental Assessment in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
by The Chuck » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:30 pm
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by Vassenor » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:35 pm
The Chuck wrote:Minor edit, was reminded that some conventional thermobaric bombs do indeed come with DU packed in them for enhanced blasts. So they are right in saying that Depleted Uranium bombing campaigns did happen.
by The Chuck » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:43 pm
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by Luziyca » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:45 pm
Vivolkha wrote:Having superficial knownledge about Kosovar politics, this doesn't come across as a surprise to me. Not that uncommon to the ex-Yugoslav countries either, The reaction to it kinda is though. Face facts, Kosovo is no longer Serbia.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:51 pm
Luziyca wrote:Vivolkha wrote:Having superficial knownledge about Kosovar politics, this doesn't come across as a surprise to me. Not that uncommon to the ex-Yugoslav countries either, The reaction to it kinda is though. Face facts, Kosovo is no longer Serbia.
Definitely.
The only way Kosovo was ever part of Serbia is if we assumed that all the people in Kosovo were Serbs who were Albanianized under Tito, which is incredibly ludicrous.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:55 pm
Vassenor wrote:And what NATO air-dropped weapons use DU penetrators? Last time I checked it was only really used for tank shells and aircraft cannon rounds intended for tank hunting.
For the record:UNEP tests found no evidence of harm by depleted uranium weapons, even among cleanup workers
Cited Source: Depleted Uranium in Serbia and Montenegro: Post-Conflict Environmental Assessment in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
by Anatoliyanskiy » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:56 pm
Middle Barael wrote:The simplest solution I think is just to split everything based on religion and culture: Serbia for the ethnic Serbs and the Eastern Orthodox, Bosnia for the ethnic Bosniaks and the Muslims, Croatia for the ethnic Croats and the Croatians, Albania for the ethnic Albanians (Muslim and also Christian I guess), Slovenia for the ethnic Slovenes, Montenegro for the ethnic Montenegrins, and North Macedonia for the ethnic Macedonians.
“Kosovo” would be mostly part of Albania (since Kosovo is ~80% Albanian ethnically speaking), although areas with a high density of Serbs would be part of Serbia.
Modern “Bosnia and Herzegovina” (including the “Republica Srpska”) would be split 3 ways: The bulk of the country, mainly the places that are majority Bosniak Muslim, would be part of Bosnia, which would be intended as a state for Bosniak Muslims. The self-proclaimed “Republica Srpska” (the areas of Bosnia which the Serbian-backed militias retained control of during the 1995 war) would either become an independent state, or better yet rejoin Serbia, as they are mostly inhabited by Orthodox Serbs. Finally, the areas that are mostly Croat and/or mostly Catholic would rejoin Croatia.
Montenegro would still exist, but areas that are mostly Serbs as opposed to Montenegrins, and also areas that are mostly part of the Serbian Orthodox Church as opposed to the self-proclaimed Montenegrin Orthodox Church, would be returned to Serbia.
This will change the borders a lot and could cause further tensions, but hopefully by giving each nation/religion a state there’ll be less conflict.
by Major-Tom » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:59 pm
by Vivolkha » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:01 pm
by Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:05 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Are you fucking kidding? What happened, pray tell, the last time we tried to split the Balkan states into entities where it's inhabitants hated one another? Did that go well? I can't seem to recall...
Edit: I'm sure the charges against the Kosovoan President are legitimate, just as they've been legitimate for every single fucking Balkan leader that ever served during the armed conflicts of the 1990s. That alone doesn't undermine Kosovo's rightful sovereignty and right to remain independent from Serbia.
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