UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[Greater vakolicci haven]

On Welsh Devolution and living in welsh towns and cities under a perpetual Labour government;

Well yes, it sucks to be Welsh. But when hasn't that been true?

And isn't it supposed to though?
With Scotland doing doing pretty well, the empire gone and northern Ireland long past the realms of mental, England needs somewhere to be better than.
Wales fulfils a purpose.

[Ostroeuropa]

On Welsh Devolution and living in welsh towns and cities under a perpetual Labour government;

Well yes, it sucks to be Welsh. But when hasn't that been true?

When we were a chillin province of the Roman Empire, Saxon.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So Johnson u turned on cricket. It's hard to keep up with all his flip flopping. No wonder he wants to have US style daily briefings to keep us up to the minute on what he has changed his mind about.

[Fartsniffage]

Well yes, it sucks to be Welsh. But when hasn't that been true?

When we were a chillin province of the Roman Empire, Saxon.

Very much not Saxon. Celtic all the way.

[Ostroeuropa]

When we were a chillin province of the Roman Empire, Saxon.

Very much not Saxon. Celtic all the way.

Oh. My apologies. I thought you were English for some reason, are you living there/

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is Britain ready for when the International Plague Mk II - Spanish Flu Boogaloo hits?
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[Greater vakolicci haven]

So Johnson u turned on cricket. It's hard to keep up with all his flip flopping. No wonder he wants to have US style daily briefings to keep us up to the minute on what he has changed his mind about.

That's a good U-turn though. Cricket is very important for Britain and its survival, we need to maintain it.

[Fartsniffage]

Very much not Saxon. Celtic all the way.

Oh. My apologies. I thought you were English for some reason, are you living there/

I'm English. My heritage is all Irish with an 8th of Jewish thrown in there for interest. I live in Manchester dude, so much Irish here....

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is Britain ready for when the International Plague Mk II - Spanish Flu Boogaloo hits?
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Well we've done pretty well so far so I'd assume so.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Oh. My apologies. I thought you were English for some reason, are you living there/

I'm English. My heritage is all Irish with an 8th of Jewish thrown in there for interest. I live in Manchester dude, so much Irish here....

It could be said that Manchester owes its town centre to skilled Irish immigrants.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh. My apologies. I thought you were English for some reason, are you living there/

I'm English. My heritage is all Irish with an 8th of Jewish thrown in there for interest. I live in Manchester dude, so much Irish here....

Well when you get right down to it, the English are mostly just peculiar Celts pretending to be Saxons, except in the south east.

[Hirota]

They gave him a pass after he said "whites had become black" over the riots in 2011. No second chance for him.

What did he do that was so bad though? I'm fast coming to the conclusion that speech, outside of a few tiny examples (defamation, a really narrowly-defined incitement to violence) cannot be bad, because what it is is someones opinion made words. Even if he'd said 'slavery wasn't a genocide because so many damn blacks survived, which is regretable' or something similar he is well within his rights as an academic to hold such views and to express them without being made to feel that his academic appointments will be jeopardised.

It's not even a particularly controversial view amongst the community.

[Fartsniffage]

What did he do that was so bad though? I'm fast coming to the conclusion that speech, outside of a few tiny examples (defamation, a really narrowly-defined incitement to violence) cannot be bad, because what it is is someones opinion made words. Even if he'd said 'slavery wasn't a genocide because so many damn blacks survived, which is regretable' or something similar he is well within his rights as an academic to hold such views and to express them without being made to feel that his academic appointments will be jeopardised.

It's not even a particularly controversial view amongst the community.

I think it's less the view and more the language he chose to express it. "damn blacks" is always going to create an issue.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's not even a particularly controversial view amongst the community.

I think it's less the view and more the language he chose to express it. "damn blacks" is always going to create an issue.

I think anyone in his position who wants to discuss the topic should be aware that there's divided opinions on the definition of genocide, and valid reasons to think that the slave trade constituted genocide even under the original definition used in the convention against genocide. (Article 2, part 5 I think, forcible transfer of children away from the group).

Then there's the issue of "damn blacks" which just makes it all worse and forces the statement to be viewed through a particular context.

[The New California Republic]

Oh. My apologies. I thought you were English for some reason, are you living there/

I'm English. My heritage is all Irish with an 8th of Jewish thrown in there for interest. I live in Manchester dude, so much Irish here....

I'm a hodgepodge of Scot, English, Irish, Channel Islander, French, and a few others.

[Alyakia]

https://nation.cymru/news/first-ministe ... xperience/

First Minister: Working with UK Government an ‘utterly shambolic’ and ‘impossible’ experience

it is cool how even welsh labourites, who are usually subservient to westminster in the hopes of getting rewarded with a promotion to the real party, are starting to get openly sick of their shit. though now that i type that maybe they're only mad because the UK government at the moment are tories and they will return to their usual behaviour later.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That 900 thousand pound paintjob sure'll show the Russians... more than the near-irrelevancy of the British Army and the two under-planed and under-escorted jeep flattops.

[Hrythingland]

I'm English. My heritage is all Irish with an 8th of Jewish thrown in there for interest. I live in Manchester dude, so much Irish here....

I'm a hodgepodge of Scot, English, Irish, Channel Islander, French, and a few others.

Roughly a third each of English, Welsh and Highlander Scottish and an additional bit of indeterminate Norse (either Icelandic or Norwegian) ancestry through the Scottish side.

[Hrythingland]

I think it's less the view and more the language he chose to express it. "damn blacks" is always going to create an issue.

I think anyone in his position who wants to discuss the topic should be aware that there's divided opinions on the definition of genocide, and valid reasons to think that the slave trade constituted genocide even under the original definition used in the convention against genocide. (Article 2, part 5 I think, forcible transfer of children away from the group).

Then there's the issue of "damn blacks" which just makes it all worse and forces the statement to be viewed through a particular context.

I remember listening to that interview on my morning run as I do quite like Darren Grimes and I am fairly fond of old Starkey, he's become more agreeable as time has moved on actually. I winced when he said that, not because I disliked the sentiment but I knew even then he was going to get flak for 'damn blacks'. lol

[Fartsniffage]

I'm a hodgepodge of Scot, English, Irish, Channel Islander, French, and a few others.

Roughly a third each of English, Welsh and Highlander Scottish and an additional bit of indeterminate Norse (either Icelandic or Norwegian) ancestry through the Scottish side.

No one cares dude.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've been drinking, so ignore the language:

Child abuse incidents have risen a lot over quarantine.

This is a challenge to the Liberal notion that its because of the badmen, with badgenes and badmorals, a personal failure.

Instead, we should probably recognize;
it's mostly linked to psychological stress.
You've got like, absolute psychos who do it because that's just how they are, and then you've got people who snap under pressure and lash out.
Poverty increases pressure. The solution is less poverty and more access to mental health care and so on.
But quarantine also increases pressure.
This is why high pressure jobs have it happen more too, even if they are middle class.
If you're fretting over a meeting tomorrow that determines If you get a major promotion that your identity is based on and your four year old won't shut the fuck up and let you destress, and that's been going on for weeks, you have no time for yourself and no time to let of pressure, so you go mental.
Same for poverty. Fretting over where the next meal is going to come from and trying to be like "I can't think about this, it's making me ill, i'll watch TV and try and chill out" and then your four year old is there preventing you doing that causes a gradual build up as you have no time to chill out. It's stress after stress.
That only applies to psychological "Shut the fuck up you fat and ugly little shit, you're the worst thing that ever happened to me" style and beating style abuse. The sexual abuse stuff is not linked to stress, that's just a different type of fucked in the head like the ones who do it just because they enjoy it.
I also think classes teaching parents how to tell their kids to fuck off in a constructive way would be helpful. Or hell, and I know this is DANGEROUS SOCIALISM, maybe just emergency carers. Just give parents one or two calls a year where they can be like "I need you to babysit, because I'm going mental." and we'll send around a state appointed carer for the day/night.
This is why child abuse is also higher among single parents, both the poverty aspects and the "I have no time to chill out" aspects get worse.



The Tories on the other hand are just like "Oh yeah, child abuse is up by a considerable amount". They haven't quite busted out the "CULTURAL DEGENERATION" reasoning yet, but they're *deafeningly* silent on why that would be the case.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why do you not start your own thread(s)?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why do you not start your own thread(s)?

Imagine trying to be snide by telling me my posts are good enough to be OPs by posting this kind of shit in response?

Why don't you and two other posters *everyone knows who I am talking about*, go have your own thread for this drive by non-contributive shit? Go on, make this observation of yours an OP. I'm rivetted mate, I want to discuss this point you've made more. Pages and pages of it I reckon. We'll all gather round.

[Fartsniffage]

Why do you not start your own thread(s)?

Imagine trying to be snide by telling me my posts are good enough to be OPs by posting this kind of shit in response?

Why don't you and two other posters *everyone knows who I am talking about*, go have your own thread for this drive by non-contributive shit? Go on, make this an OP. I'm rivetted mate, I want to discuss this point you've made more. Pages and pages of it. We'll all gather round.

Easy dude....

[Andsed]

I've been drinking, so ignore the language:

Child abuse incidents have risen a lot over quarantine.

This is a challenge to the Liberal notion that its because of the badmen, with badgenes and badmorals, a personal failure.

Instead, we should probably recognize;
it's mostly linked to psychological stress.
You've got like, absolute psychos who do it because that's just how they are, and then you've got people who snap under pressure and lash out.
Poverty increases pressure. The solution is less poverty and more access to mental health care and so on.
But quarantine also increases pressure.
This is why high pressure jobs have it happen more too, even if they are middle class.
If you're fretting over a meeting tomorrow that determines If you get a major promotion that your identity is based on and your four year old won't shut the fuck up and let you destress, and that's been going on for weeks, you have no time for yourself and no time to let of pressure, so you go mental.
Same for poverty. Fretting over where the next meal is going to come from and trying to be like "I can't think about this, it's making me ill, i'll watch TV and try and chill out" and then your four year old is there preventing you doing that causes a gradual build up as you have no time to chill out. It's stress after stress.
That only applies to psychological "Shut the fuck up you fat and ugly little shit, you're the worst thing that ever happened to me" style and beating style abuse. The sexual abuse stuff is not linked to stress, that's just a different type of fucked in the head like the ones who do it just because they enjoy it.
I also think classes teaching parents how to tell their kids to fuck off in a constructive way would be helpful. Or hell, and I know this is DANGEROUS SOCIALISM, maybe just emergency carers. Just give parents one or two calls a year where they can be like "I need you to babysit, because I'm going mental." and we'll send around a state appointed carer for the day/night.
This is why child abuse is also higher among single parents, both the poverty aspects and the "I have no time to chill out" aspects get worse.



The Tories on the other hand are just like "Oh yeah, child abuse is up by a considerable amount". They haven't quite busted out the "CULTURAL DEGENERATION" reasoning yet, but they're *deafeningly* silent on why that would be the case.

Those are sensible ideas. Though there is the small wrinkle in how social distancing would be maintained with the carers wearing masks and such.