by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:01 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:16 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Nuroblav » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:30 am
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:32 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Hate speech laws are designed to protect the feelings of wimps who can't take anything. The world is a nasty place, and as far as I'm concerned, they need to grow the fuck up and deal with it. Is racism messed up? Yes it is, and no one should be racist, but instead of strong arming the government into banning any and all speech that hurts your feelings (including things that aren't just you usual Vitrol but instead are legit like people who think Islam isn't a religion of peace), how about you deal with it like I do? I had a guy call me a racial slur over the phone several times and I said "I'd rather be a wetback than a cheap dime store rip off of Wayne Brady like you are. Do me a favor fat Albert, and go back on your Facebook and post about your newest girlfriend who you'll keep for three days before she leaves your noxious smelling ass."
So how about we allow the Bible and Quran and all other hateful shit, and instead of trying to pressure the government to ban the bad talk, we deal with it like intelligent human beings and not little kids?
by Region of Dwipantara » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:42 am
"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."
—Quran 5:51
"Do not be fooled by the people who are trying to use Quran 5:51 (for their political ambitions)."
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Gravlen » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:02 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying The Bible or Qur'an should be banned. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant, just like Europe has since realized it is with Mein Kampf. But until recently multiple European countries banned Mein Kampf without banning the Bible or the Qur'an. Why do you suppose that is?
by Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:44 am
Gravlen wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying The Bible or Qur'an should be banned. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant, just like Europe has since realized it is with Mein Kampf. But until recently multiple European countries banned Mein Kampf without banning the Bible or the Qur'an. Why do you suppose that is?
That’s not what happened. It’s much more mundane: Copyright lapsed, and when it became public domain the copyright holder could no longer deny permission for third party printing runs.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Picairn » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:47 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:53 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:03 am
Region of Dwipantara wrote:It's a pretty funny situation actually. Consider this:"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."
—Quran 5:51
This verse, which directly tells Muslims that all Jews and Christians are a threat for Muslims that cannot be trusted and as such must be banned from taking political office, is not hate speech. Meanwhile:"Do not be fooled by the people who are trying to use Quran 5:51 (for their political ambitions)."
This, uttered by the Chinese-Christian Governor of Jakarta (who was runnig for reelection in 2017), is hate speech against Muslims that must be punished. And by punished, I mean an outbreak of mass Islamist demonstrations and riots, and then he was arrested and sentenced to imprisonment, revoking his right to run for political office forever. Hey – at least the government didn't listen to the Islamists' demand, who wants the governor to be put to death. Isn't that great?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:05 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Mohammed was a slave owner
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Region of Dwipantara » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:14 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:It's a pretty funny situation actually. Consider this:
This verse, which directly tells Muslims that all Jews and Christians are a threat for Muslims that cannot be trusted and as such must be banned from taking political office, is not hate speech. Meanwhile:
This, uttered by the Chinese-Christian Governor of Jakarta (who was runnig for reelection in 2017), is hate speech against Muslims that must be punished. And by punished, I mean an outbreak of mass Islamist demonstrations and riots, and then he was arrested and sentenced to imprisonment, revoking his right to run for political office forever. Hey – at least the government didn't listen to the Islamists' demand, who wants the governor to be put to death. Isn't that great?
I love how Mohammed couldn't make up his mind as to whether Christians and jews were good or not. In one verse he's like "don't murder them, leave them alone," and in the next he's like "I still don't trust them. They're out for themselves and Muslims gotta stick together." Aah religion. Contradicting itself and twisting itself into a pretzel.
Imagine being Muslim and trying to figure out if you should or shouldn't befriend non Muslims by reading the Quran. You'd probably go insane after a while.
1418-DZQ-02/1998-MAR-03
RADIO FREE SOUTHEAST ASIA | Charta Politica February polling: Pro-Khilafah 35.6% (PKI 28.7%, SI 6.9%); Pro-Republiken 64.4% (PAN 7.4%, PKB 13.2%, PRD 5.8%, PDDP 37.9%)
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:15 am
Region of Dwipantara wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
I love how Mohammed couldn't make up his mind as to whether Christians and jews were good or not. In one verse he's like "don't murder them, leave them alone," and in the next he's like "I still don't trust them. They're out for themselves and Muslims gotta stick together." Aah religion. Contradicting itself and twisting itself into a pretzel.
Imagine being Muslim and trying to figure out if you should or shouldn't befriend non Muslims by reading the Quran. You'd probably go insane after a while.
Actually, it's pretty clear when you look at the time the verses are revealed. At first, Muhammad hopes to also be the prophet for the Jews, and he hoped that the Jews would follow him. Here his opinion about them is pretty positive. But then the Jews kept ridiculing and rejecting him, so his opinion quickly goes downhill, resulting in today's Islamic belief of antisemitic genocide, talking rocks, and a specific genus of tree that apparently is a supporter of the Zionist conspiracy.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by VVerkia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:39 am
by Ansarre » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:57 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Hate speech laws vs. lack thereof in a more general sense has been done to death, people. Can we please focus on the more unique topic of whether or not Bible/Qur'an exceptions constitute a loophole?
by Ansarre » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:59 am
Rojava Free State wrote:What about the Christians though? From what I read, the local Christians often aided mohammed, so i don't see where his "don't trust the Christians" shpeel comes from.
Rojava Free State wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:Mohammed was a slave owner
Mohammed was only as good as the times allowed him to be. Remember this was during the dark ages and Rome collapsed. It was like mad max without the interceptor or the motorbikes or the leather or the weird names for everything or the thunderdome...so a pretty lame version of the franchise.
Point is, the guy was no hero of his time. He was another warlord like the rest, but we remember him and not the others because he killed them.
by Gravlen » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:12 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Gravlen wrote:That’s not what happened. It’s much more mundane: Copyright lapsed, and when it became public domain the copyright holder could no longer deny permission for third party printing runs.
My mistake, then.
Nevertheless, the point remains; why the different treatment of "holy books" than other hate speech?
by Ansarre » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:15 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Region of Dwipantara wrote:Actually, it's pretty clear when you look at the time the verses are revealed. At first, Muhammad hopes to also be the prophet for the Jews, and he hoped that the Jews would follow him. Here his opinion about them is pretty positive. But then the Jews kept ridiculing and rejecting him, so his opinion quickly goes downhill, resulting in today's Islamic belief of antisemitic genocide, talking rocks, and a specific genus of tree that apparently is a supporter of the Zionist conspiracy.
What about the Christians though? From what I read, the local Christians often aided mohammed, so i don't see where his "don't trust the Christians" shpeel comes from.
by MGTOWia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:27 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:29 am
Gravlen wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:My mistake, then.
Nevertheless, the point remains; why the different treatment of "holy books" than other hate speech?
Are they being treated differently though? Your only example was based on a mistake on your part, so can you provide examples of books being banned for hate speech?
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:29 am
MGTOWia wrote:So-called "hate speech laws" never should have been passed in the first place and should be abolished. If you don't like what someone says, refute it. Attempts to ban such speech are dishonestly motivated, primarily by leftists seeking yet another mechanism to intimidate and silence anyone who opposes their agenda.
Specifically with respect to the Bible, freedom of worship trumps ANY considerations of so-called "hate".
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Ansarre » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:37 am
by Gravlen » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:38 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Gravlen wrote:Are they being treated differently though? Your only example was based on a mistake on your part, so can you provide examples of books being banned for hate speech?
I'm talking about hate speech laws in general. These laws clearly do not go completely unenforced. (Though even if they were, having the law on the books without enforcing them would be hypocritical enough, so I'm not sure any example of enforcement in particular is adequate to prove hypocrisy.)
by Reverend Norv » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:39 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:MGTOWia wrote:So-called "hate speech laws" never should have been passed in the first place and should be abolished. If you don't like what someone says, refute it. Attempts to ban such speech are dishonestly motivated, primarily by leftists seeking yet another mechanism to intimidate and silence anyone who opposes their agenda.
Specifically with respect to the Bible, freedom of worship trumps ANY considerations of so-called "hate".
What, if anything, distinguishes so-called "freedom of worship" from freedom of speech in general?
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647
A God who let us prove His existence would be an idol.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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