Hong Kong II - Ragnarök

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I haven’t found a proper article to link, but it seems that the US has now passed a bill that would grant Hong Kongers refugee status.

[Bombadil]

The first person to be arrested under the new Security Law is a man who was holding an independence flag, the black version of the normal HK flag, in Causeway Bay.. and so it begins..

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So the Anschluss is finally here... and then it's "Wayward Sudetenland's" turn. Who will become Poland?

[Bombadil]

I haven’t found a proper article to link, but it seems that the US has now passed a bill that would grant Hong Kongers refugee status.

Here you go.. https://www.wsj.com/articles/congress-l ... -residents

[Bengal and Assam]

I heard that some bloke was arrested just coz he had an IndyHK flag...

[Bombadil]

I heard that some bloke was arrested just coz he had an IndyHK flag...

Yup, though more now..

As of 3 pm, around 30 people had been arrested on suspicion of participating in an unlawful assembly, violating the national security law, obstructing a police officer and possessing offensive weapons, according to NowTV.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Time for a violent uprising as you all have nothing to lose now.

[The New California Republic]

Crossposting from UKPol:

Up to three million Hong Kong residents are to be offered the chance to settle in the UK and ultimately apply for citizenship.

About 350,000 UK passport holders, and 2.6 million others eligible, will be able to come to the UK for five years. After a further year they will be able to apply for citizenship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899

[Tinhampton]

Wasn't the "HONG KONG INDEPENDENCE" flag hoisted by the first arrested man prefixed with a very subtle "No To [...]"?

[The New California Republic]

Wasn't the "HONG KONG INDEPENDENCE" flag hoisted by the first arrested man prefixed with a very subtle "No To [...]"?

It did. It was probably a way to avoid getting detained under the new shitty law, but the police making the arrest either can't read properly or just didn't buy it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Any members of the 50 cent army here to say this is somehow good?


Edit:

The law can also apparently be broken from abroad by non-residents, under Article 38

That's stupid. Looks like we in America can violate the law. What balls.

Fearing repercussions, political activists are resigning their posts and one pro-democracy protester, who asked to remain anonymous, told me that ordinary people are now deleting posts on social media.

Many people are just stopping talking about politics, and stopping talking about freedom and democracy because they want to save their own lives. They want to save their freedom and avoid being arrested.

One contact of mine, a lawyer and human rights activist, sent me a message shortly after the law was passed. Please delete everything on this chat, he wrote.

Instead of deleting messages and surrendering, these people should take up arms. Democracy in France or America did not come by asking the kings nicely. It came out of the barrel of a gun.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Any members of the 50 cent army here to say this is somehow good?


Edit:

The law can also apparently be broken from abroad by non-residents, under Article 38

That's stupid. Looks like we in America can violate the law. What balls.

Fearing repercussions, political activists are resigning their posts and one pro-democracy protester, who asked to remain anonymous, told me that ordinary people are now deleting posts on social media.

Many people are just stopping talking about politics, and stopping talking about freedom and democracy because they want to save their own lives. They want to save their freedom and avoid being arrested.

One contact of mine, a lawyer and human rights activist, sent me a message shortly after the law was passed. Please delete everything on this chat, he wrote.

Instead of deleting messages and surrendering, these people should take up arms. Democracy in France or America did not come by asking the kings nicely. It came out of the barrel of a gun.

I, for one, am probably never going to be able to travel to Hong Kong simply because of the views I hold here. I'm not exactly sure a rebellion is the best option either, now that the act has passed, China now has free reign over the police in HK. If a rebellion is ever to happen, China is unlikely to regret taking away and detaining all of them.

Unless the HKers force the Chinese hand by doing extreme displays of force which would result in many casualties, then the world will turn their heads towards Hong Kong as the Chinese raze the city. That is really only a last resort for both sides and wouldn't bode well for either one.

[The New California Republic]

A former employee of the UK's Hong Kong consulate who alleged he was tortured in China has been granted political asylum in Britain.

Simon Cheng, a Hong Kong citizen, was detained on a business trip to mainland China for 15 days last August. Beijing accused Mr Cheng of inciting political unrest amid anti-government protests in Hong Kong. He denied the charges, telling the BBC he had been beaten and forced to sign false confessions while in custody.

Mr Cheng was working for the UK embassy in Hong Kong, charged with generating interest in investing in Scotland among the Chinese business community. But as the 2019 protests began to grow, he also volunteered to collect information on the status of the protests for the consulate - for the purposes of observation.

He went missing on 8 August after being detained at the border on the way back from the Chinese city of Shenzhen. Mr Cheng says he was held for 15 days during which time he was "shackled, blindfolded and hooded", held in stress positions and beaten if he moved. The questioning focused on his role in the protests. He also said he saw other Hong Kong protesters during his time in custody.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53252533

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The new law from China being forced on Hong Kong is shit and Xi Jinping and his winnie the pooh ass can go get fucked.

[United England n Wales]

Crossposting from UKPol:

Up to three million Hong Kong residents are to be offered the chance to settle in the UK and ultimately apply for citizenship.

About 350,000 UK passport holders, and 2.6 million others eligible, will be able to come to the UK for five years. After a further year they will be able to apply for citizenship.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53246899

Yep I fully support the UK gov, doing this.

The PRC has ripped up the 1985 Sino-British joint declaration.

The new law from China being forced on Hong Kong is shit and Xi Jinping and his winnie the pooh ass can go get fucked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-china-53247144?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5efc95741aef1f0655fca30d%26New%20national%20security%20law%20%27Orwellian%27%20-%20Lord%20Patten%262020-07-01T14%3A16%3A53.846Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6d3c99ca-0be7-4d0f-a5a4-7793abc0cdaf&pinned_post_asset_id=5efc95741aef1f0655fca30d&pinned_post_type=share
George Orewells 1984 in a nutshell

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Replacing diplomatic recognition of ROC with PRC was a grave mistake. Change my mind.

[United England n Wales]

Replacing diplomatic recognition of ROC with PRC was a grave mistake. Change my mind.

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Replacing diplomatic recognition of ROC with PRC was a grave mistake. Change my mind.

No, because I agree with you.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Replacing diplomatic recognition of ROC with PRC was a grave mistake. Change my mind.

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

Nixon et al clearly thought playing PRC vs USSR involved recognising PRC... which wasn't the case.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

Nixon et al clearly thought playing PRC vs USSR involved recognising PRC... which wasn't the case.

It was also done for business interests.

[-Astoria-]

Replacing diplomatic recognition of ROC with PRC was a grave mistake. Change my mind.

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

IIRC to pretty much dunk on the USSR, which was at the time having a bit of a split with the PRC à la Yugoslavia.

Then again, at that time the ROC wasn't exactly in the best period...

[New Bremerton]

I have family in HK and I fear for their safety. I can't even say one word on FB about China from the comfort of my home in Malaysia. Not one single word. It's just as well I scrubbed my Facebook Timeline way back in March when the Malaysian government unexpectedly changed hands and I initially feared the worst. The bullshit law also applies to non-ethnic Chinese Americans, Europeans, and private companies that have no ties whatsoever to HK or China. If you're planning on visiting or even just transiting through HK anytime soon, be sure to scrub your social media posts well in advance or set them to Private or Me Only. Also do so if you have friends or family in HK. Or not. It's entirely up to you.

I just want to applaud Britain, Canada, the United States, and Taiwan for taking concrete steps to ensure that the people of HK have a viable escape route. Your solidarity in our time of need will not be forgotten. Here's to hoping Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, and Singapore follow suit. I'd love to see hundreds of thousands of HKers immigrate to my country and completely transform it from the ground up. My country would be unrecognizable if that ever happened, and in a very good way. I really miss their food in particular. Cantonese also happens to be widely spoken natively (with a funny Malaysian accent), particularly in and around KL and Ipoh, by many Malaysian Chinese. The people of HK can aid the locals in correcting their faulty pronunciation (particularly of English loanwords, a dead giveaway) and ensuring the survival of the Cantonese language for generations to come.

I'm not sure it's worth risking my personal safety just to savor the city's amazing food one more time. The National Security Law will likely result in the forced closure of countless yellow businesses, forcing customers to exclusively patronize pro-Beijing businesses.

[United England n Wales]

Nixon et al clearly thought playing PRC vs USSR involved recognising PRC... which wasn't the case.

It was also done for business interests.

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

Nixon et al clearly thought playing PRC vs USSR involved recognising PRC... which wasn't the case.

Siding with the lesser of the two evils never really works out in politics in the long run.
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I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

IIRC to pretty much dunk on the USSR, which was at the time having a bit of a split with the PRC à la Yugoslavia.

Then again, at that time the ROC wasn't exactly in the best period...

Nixon no surprise there tbh.
Yer true about the ROC

[New Rogernomics]

Visiting HK will be exactly like visiting the mainland, where any foreign citizen is a hostage-in-waiting if the Chinese government is angry at the government in question.

[Novus America]

I still can not understand why they thought that was ever a good idea.

Nixon et al clearly thought playing PRC vs USSR involved recognising PRC... which wasn't the case.

Nixon did not support de recognition of the ROC though. Nixon never officially recognized the PRC and continued to recognize and support the ROC. Nixon supported unofficial ties with the PRC while simultaneously backing the ROC, he was keeping the ROC as a hedge against the PRC. Nixon never trusted the PRC.

Carter recognized the PRC and dropped recognition of the ROC.
Carter is to blame for that really. Not Nixon as Nixon’s policy was better.

Unofficially recognizing the PRC while also continuing to recognize the ROC made sense in the context of the 70s to early 80s, Nixon’s “two Chinas” policy did make sense at the time, (Carter’s stupidity of supporting the PRC’s “one China” did not) but anyways it all ceased to have meaning after 1989. Had we cut off the PRC then (and ideally still be recognizing the ROC as Nixon planned) things would be fine. Continuing Carter’s policies into the 90s and beyond was the mistake.