Why you should eat Biblical apple

[Ethel mermania]

Put the tree of knowledge somewhere else, you know where adam couldn't get to it, in ohio perhaps. The whole story reeks of bad planning. I am generally on the side of people are responsible for their own actions, but this whole thing does look like a set up to me.

Genesis as a whole is pretty much 'appropriated' from Sumerian mythology and edited in order to follow a monotheistic narrative, so it was pretty much a matter of working with what was available.

That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

I always thought it was babaloyian as according to the book its where abe was from

But that still doesnt not mean the situation wasnt a setup.

[Nevertopia]

Genesis as a whole is pretty much 'appropriated' from Sumerian mythology and edited in order to follow a monotheistic narrative, so it was pretty much a matter of working with what was available.

That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

I always thought it was babaloyian as according to the book its where abe was from

But that still doesnt not mean the situation wasnt a setup.

> That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

[Hurdergaryp]

That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

I always thought it was babaloyian as according to the book its where abe was from

But that still doesnt not mean the situation wasnt a setup.

> That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

[West Leas Oros 2]

> That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

Clearly you've never played Stellaris. Eventually, you get so bored you WANT to enlighten the primitives.

[Ethel mermania]

> That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

My ambition in life is to have "ancient alien theorist", on my business card.

[MC United]

There's one, rather horrid, Christian dogma which states that nothing happens without God willing it. Adam and Eve never stood a chance.

So, if God is all-powerful and "has a plan" and stuff doesn't happen unless God wills it, doesn't that make it God's fault if I sin? big thimk.

So, your preferred alternative would to be for God to deny humans free will. That way, humans would only choose what God wants them to choose. They'd be good little puppets, but hey, at least no possibility for evil.

But in Christian belief (deny it if you wish), God did give humans free will. And one consequence of that is that humans are free to choose evil over good. They are then responsible for the consequences of their choices.

Knowing that humans may choose evil is not the same as willing humans to choose evil.

[West Leas Oros 2]

So, if God is all-powerful and "has a plan" and stuff doesn't happen unless God wills it, doesn't that make it God's fault if I sin? big thimk.

So, your preferred alternative would to be for God to deny humans free will. That way, humans would only choose what God wants them to choose. They'd be good little puppets, but hey, at least no possibility for evil.

But in Christian belief (deny it if you wish), God did give humans free will. And one consequence of that is that humans are free to choose evil over good. They are then responsible for the consequences of their choices.

Knowing that humans may choose evil is not the same as willing humans to choose evil.

How the hell can humans have free will if God has everything planned in advance and is omnipotent? Under that logic, only the illusion of free will is possible, like in a Telltale Games game, where every choice is meaningless because the game follows its predetermined story regardless.

[La Xinga]

So, your preferred alternative would to be for God to deny humans free will. That way, humans would only choose what God wants them to choose. They'd be good little puppets, but hey, at least no possibility for evil.

But in Christian belief (deny it if you wish), God did give humans free will. And one consequence of that is that humans are free to choose evil over good. They are then responsible for the consequences of their choices.

Knowing that humans may choose evil is not the same as willing humans to choose evil.

How the hell can humans have free will if God has everything planned in advance and is omnipotent? Under that logic, only the illusion of free will is possible, like in a Telltale Games game, where every choice is meaningless because the game follows its predetermined story regardless.

He has a plan, you can interfere with it, but God knows you will and will "find" another way, since he is almighty.

[MC United]

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

My ambition in life is to have "ancient alien theorist", on my business card.

"Is it possible that Ethel mermania is actually in communication with aliens?" -- Giorgio Tsoukalos

[MC United]

So, your preferred alternative would to be for God to deny humans free will. That way, humans would only choose what God wants them to choose. They'd be good little puppets, but hey, at least no possibility for evil.

But in Christian belief (deny it if you wish), God did give humans free will. And one consequence of that is that humans are free to choose evil over good. They are then responsible for the consequences of their choices.

Knowing that humans may choose evil is not the same as willing humans to choose evil.

How the hell can humans have free will if God has everything planned in advance and is omnipotent? Under that logic, only the illusion of free will is possible, like in a Telltale Games game, where every choice is meaningless because the game follows its predetermined story regardless.

God does not have "everything planned in advance". That's the whole point of free will.

[West Leas Oros 2]

How the hell can humans have free will if God has everything planned in advance and is omnipotent? Under that logic, only the illusion of free will is possible, like in a Telltale Games game, where every choice is meaningless because the game follows its predetermined story regardless.

He has a plan, you can interfere with it, but God knows you will and will "find" another way, since he is almighty.

So then my choices don't matter, since God will just nullify it and put it back on track. I can't have free will if I can't derail God's plan.

[West Leas Oros 2]

How the hell can humans have free will if God has everything planned in advance and is omnipotent? Under that logic, only the illusion of free will is possible, like in a Telltale Games game, where every choice is meaningless because the game follows its predetermined story regardless.

God does not have "everything planned in advance". That's the whole point of free will.

Says who? As far as I hear, Christians tell me otherwise.

[La Xinga]

He has a plan, you can interfere with it, but God knows you will and will "find" another way, since he is almighty.

So then my choices don't matter, since God will just nullify it and put it back on track. I can't have free will if I can't derail God's plan.

You can choose whatever you like to your human powers!

[Ethel mermania]

My ambition in life is to have "ancient alien theorist", on my business card.

"Is it possible that Ethel mermania is actually in communication with aliens?" -- Giorgio Tsoukalos

[Grimmsland]

It was given food when it was saved. It keeps returning because of that. No gratitude needed.

I tihnk being saved is more important than getting given food.

Being fed is more important to the deer, IMO.

[Kubra]

I mean it probably tastes pretty good, like a juicier gala.

[Neutraligon]

It was given food when it was saved. It keeps returning because of that. No gratitude needed.

I tihnk being saved is more important than getting given food.

Based on...

[Grimmsland]

> That's not what I learned on ancient aliens.

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

Agree.. our ancestors were capable and had knowledge that we don't and humanity has progressively gotten dumber over the course of thousands of years. I believe an Atlantis existed!

[Region of Dwipantara]

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

Agree.. our ancestors were capable and had knowledge that we don't and humanity has progressively gotten dumber over the course of thousands of years. I believe an Atlantis existed!

There is a book in my house by "Professor Dos Santos" who claimed that Atlantis is located here in my country, and their capital is located on top of Mt. Krakatoa. It is said that when the mountain exploded real bad 11.000 years ago, the civilization disappears without a trace – vey neat indeed. I remembered fully believeing in that theory.

[Liberty3]

It is better not to eat the apple.
1. Without the apple we are allowed to know creation and all the beautiful things in it without fear, pain, or strife.
2. Knowing your place in creation and ruling over creation is better than being tortured in creation and developing an ego that puts us against others.
3. If you eat the apple, you will surely die

It is like saying that heroin is good because of we don't take heroin we can never know the joys of it. The ups and downs of the addiction. What hokem pokem! The consequences are evident, and you hate to see em, and you get fair warning and then some. Don't trade temporary satisfaction and excitement for long-term consequences that outweigh them in suffering.

[MC United]

God does not have "everything planned in advance". That's the whole point of free will.

Says who? As far as I hear, Christians tell me otherwise.

Clearly you haven't heard from enough Christians.

The problem of free will has been the subject of inquiry for centuries. I don't claim to be theologian or philosopher enough to go into much detail on the issue, but my denomination (Catholicism) clearly sides with free will. As discussed at length here:

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/free-will

[Czechostan]

Says who? As far as I hear, Christians tell me otherwise.

Clearly you haven't heard from enough Christians.

The problem of free will has been the subject of inquiry for centuries. I don't claim to be theologian or philosopher enough to go into much detail on the issue, but my denomination (Catholicism) clearly sides with free will. As discussed at length here:

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/free-will

While Catholics believe in free will, it's of note that other denominations, like Calvinism, believe in predestination and determinism. And other Christians are compatibilists and believe free will and determinism can co-exist.

[Fiveholm]

We went from apples to ancient aliens. What even is this thread?

[Fiveholm]

God does not have "everything planned in advance". That's the whole point of free will.

Says who? As far as I hear, Christians tell me otherwise.

most christians dont actually read the book and rely soley on religious figures to tell them what the bible means.

[Hurdergaryp]

Ancient Aliens: the idea that ancient human civilizations must have been guided by advanced extraterrestials, because clearly people are too goddamn stupid to achieve things on their own, while simultaneously being interesting enough for the previously mentioned advanced extraterrestials to meddle with.

Agree.. our ancestors were capable and had knowledge that we don't and humanity has progressively gotten dumber over the course of thousands of years. I believe an Atlantis existed!

Atlantis, eh? The origin of that myth was probably Crete, which had a thriving civilization which ended rather abruptly when part of the island literally exploded. Vulcans are not your friend.