[Drafting Still] Maternity and Childcare Support

[Godular]

That is exactly the point of it. It is specifically geared towards addressing many of the reasons that a woman might have to get an abortion by simply making them into a non-factor.

OOC: But you could easily do that without underlining the anti-abortion ideology...

OOC: When bringing up a compromise measure, it is somewhat important to outline where the conflict is. Will this stop all the repeal efforts? No, but they’ll have a harder time claiming they are not being listened to.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

OOC: But you could easily do that without underlining the anti-abortion ideology...

OOC: When bringing up a compromise measure, it is somewhat important to outline where the conflict is. Will this stop all the repeal efforts? No, but they’ll have a harder time claiming they are not being listened to.

Ambassador, you cannot pretend this is a "compromise"; you say you acknowledge "that many nations have moral qualms regarding abortion access, and often feel disenfranchised by the prevailing atmosphere of perceived lack of compromise and understanding", yet at the same time require us to provide people with free abortions. Opposed per CCC 2270-2275.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children and pregnant women
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

[Godular]

OOC: When bringing up a compromise measure, it is somewhat important to outline where the conflict is. Will this stop all the repeal efforts? No, but they’ll have a harder time claiming they are not being listened to.

Ambassador, you cannot pretend this is a "compromise"; you say you acknowledge "that many nations have moral qualms regarding abortion access, and often feel disenfranchised by the prevailing atmosphere of perceived lack of compromise and understanding", yet at the same time require us to provide people with free abortions. Opposed per CCC 2270-2275.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children and pregnant women
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

"It is a medical procedure per Reproductive Freedoms, and it is relevant to a pregnancy. It is logically necessary to include it among those services that should be offered free. It is a measure that is intended to assist in reducing the frequency of women feeling it necessary to seek out abortion services, without disrupting their right to do so. Whether you like it or not, this IS a compromise. Your objective is furthered while the pro-choice objective remains unhindered.

"I would suggest that it would be more productive to your agenda to support this resolution, as opposition would leave the door open for resolutions such as Access to Abortion to be reintroduced. That resolution might have failed to reach quorum the first time, but it is far more likely to pass than any attempt at a repeal of Reproductive Freedoms. I must ask you then, if you wish to continue your presence within this organization, would you prefer that ALL of the legislation be antagonistic, or that some of these measures at least try to account for your position?"

[Godular]

“Are there comments that other folks have regarding this proposal? I’m noting at the moment that I’m getting surprisingly varied impressions from folks in that it is being seen as overly pro-life AND overly pro-choice, which strikes me as a good sign! A good compromise shouldn’t favor one side over the other.

“Is there anything else that folks might recommend as a positive measure for this proposal? Maybe there’s an angle I missed? It still feels too early to fling this into the queue, and I want to incorporate some (OOC) changes, but it would mess up the formatting.”

[Godular]

OOC: Am I allowed to bump things in this forum for the sake of letting folks know that I'm still accepting suggestions about any changes that might still be needed?

[Godular]

Question: Would allowing nations to set a time limit on when an ‘elective’ abortion can be carried out contradict previous legislation? I can’t recall if viability/trimester stuff ever came up.

[Anurial]

"Alleviating the potential financial burden that an unexpected child can bring is an excellent step in both extending freedom of choice and lowering abortion rates"

OOC: I've never tried writing or contributing to WA resolutions, though is providing financial assistance to certain nations unable to foot the bill a possibility?

[Godular]

"Alleviating the potential financial burden that an unexpected child can bring is an excellent step in both extending freedom of choice and lowering abortion rates"

OOC: I've never tried writing or contributing to WA resolutions, though is providing financial assistance to certain nations unable to foot the bill a possibility?

Such is a possibility, and I’d be inclined to incorporate such content into this proposal, but I’d likely need to do some research on setting that section up, and that’s harder to do on a phone.

[Kenmoria]

Question: Would allowing nations to set a time limit on when an ‘elective’ abortion can be carried out contradict previous legislation? I can’t recall if viability/trimester stuff ever came up.

(OOC: That would contradict Reproductive Freedoms, GA #286, which mandates that member nations permit abortion in all circumstances.)

[Godular]

Question: Would allowing nations to set a time limit on when an ‘elective’ abortion can be carried out contradict previous legislation? I can’t recall if viability/trimester stuff ever came up.

(OOC: That would contradict Reproductive Freedoms, GA #286, which mandates that member nations permit abortion in all circumstances.)

Righto. Thanks for that. Doing research on a phone is excessive amounts of bleh.

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

Question: Would allowing nations to set a time limit on when an ‘elective’ abortion can be carried out contradict previous legislation? I can’t recall if viability/trimester stuff ever came up.

(OOC: That would contradict Reproductive Freedoms, GA #286, which mandates that member nations permit abortion in all circumstances.)

OOC: I might be misreading something, but I do not see anything in 286 that mandates that abortions at all stages of life be allowed.

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: That would contradict Reproductive Freedoms, GA #286, which mandates that member nations permit abortion in all circumstances.)

OOC: I might be misreading something, but I do not see anything in 286 that mandates that abortions at all stages of life be allowed.

(OOC: I’m looking at ‘DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity.’ Any form of restriction on an abortion would fall under this, unless also applied to other medical procedures of similar complexity. I don’t see a time or trimester limit as being reasonably applicable to other medical procedures.)

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

OOC: I might be misreading something, but I do not see anything in 286 that mandates that abortions at all stages of life be allowed.

(OOC: I’m looking at ‘DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity.’ Any form of restriction on an abortion would fall under this, unless also applied to other medical procedures of similar complexity. I don’t see a time or trimester limit as being reasonably applicable to other medical procedures.)

OOC: I am not a doctor so I don't know how the complexity and risks of late-stage abortions exactly match up against other procedures, so - as far as I am aware - this clause may or may not prohibit such restrictions. (However, it shouldn't regardless.)

[Godular]

Made another change, accounting for Araraukar’s issue with section 2C, replacing it with a funding measure. Let me know if it needs revision.

[Kenmoria]

Made another change, accounting for Araraukar’s issue with section 2C, replacing it with a funding measure. Let me know if it needs revision.

(OOC: I recommend using the preexisting World Assembly General Fund rather than creating a new committee.)

[Godular]

Made another change, accounting for Araraukar’s issue with section 2C, replacing it with a funding measure. Let me know if it needs revision.

(OOC: I recommend using the preexisting World Assembly General Fund rather than creating a new committee.)

‘tis done

[Araraukar]

Funding: Resources from the World Assembly General Fund shall be utilized to address the needs of any nations that would be financially overburdened in adhering to the mandates presented in this legislation.

OOC: Make that something like "...any nations that are provenly unable to financially adhere to..." to avoid any anti-abortion nations simply using the WAGF instead of their own moneys (remember that WAGF gets its moneys off of even the poorest of WA nations) to fund anything to do with the surplus children that they don't want people to abort, but don't want to support them either.

[Godular]

Funding: Resources from the World Assembly General Fund shall be utilized to address the needs of any nations that would be financially overburdened in adhering to the mandates presented in this legislation.

OOC: Make that something like "...any nations that are provenly unable to financially adhere to..." to avoid any anti-abortion nations simply using the WAGF instead of their own moneys (remember that WAGF gets its moneys off of even the poorest of WA nations) to fund anything to do with the surplus children that they don't want people to abort, but don't want to support them either.

This is also done.

[Attancia]

We would clap and applaud enthusiastically at this did it not mandate state funding for "termination of pregnancy."

"As would we. As a nation with the glories of religion deeply engrained in our culture, that simply cannot be."

[Godular]

We would clap and applaud enthusiastically at this did it not mandate state funding for "termination of pregnancy."

"As would we. As a nation with the glories of religion deeply engrained in our culture, that simply cannot be."

“‘Tis better to be free and rare than to be banned, which itself is a functional impossibility in the World Assembly. You want the WA to aid in reducing abortion numbers? This right here is your best option, if I might be so bold as to say.”

[Pope Saint Peter the Apostle]

"As would we. As a nation with the glories of religion deeply engrained in our culture, that simply cannot be."

“‘Tis better to be free and rare than to be banned, which itself is a functional impossibility in the World Assembly. You want the WA to aid in reducing abortion numbers? This right here is your best option, if I might be so bold as to say.”

Ambassador, instead of this proposal (including state-funded killings of unborn babies), we can work on a proposal that reduces the number of abortions without such a mandate, if the Ambassador insists on including it in his proposal.

--Saint Gerard Majella, C.Ss.R., patron of the unborn children and pregnant women
Senior consuasor ad Sancti Imperium

[Araraukar]

OOC: Definitions are a problem. The welfare thing and members are unnecessary, while at-risk STILL catches every fucking one person who has a child. You should also change it to define at-risk HOUSEHOLD instead, as that's what the mandates use.

[Godular]

OOC: Definitions are a problem. The welfare thing and members are unnecessary, while at-risk STILL catches every fucking one person who has a child. You should also change it to define at-risk HOUSEHOLD instead, as that's what the mandates use.

Ah, thanks. I’m sorry for not acting on your concern earlier, as I wasn’t sure how I should go about remedying it. This answers that concern.

Edited: Change incorporated. Please let me know if I need to revise some other phraseology.

[Godular]

OOC: I'd like to get other folks thoughts on whether this is ready to submit yet, or if I still need to make some alterations. I understand that this won't make everyone happy, as such is to be expected with any legislation, but I would like to know if there are any things that could be added or amended. I would be much appreciative.

[Kenmoria]

“In clause 1a, ‘Includes childbirth and abortion’ isn’t a proper sentence. I recommend changing it to ‘including childbirth and abortion’ and making it a clause of the previous sentence.”