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Russia tried to murder US soldiers and Trump Ignored It

Postby Ansarre » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:47 pm

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/russia-offered-bounty-to-kill-uk-soldiers

The Russian intelligence unit behind the attempted murder in Salisbury of the former double agent Sergei Skripal secretly offered to pay Taliban-linked fighters to kill British and American soldiers in Afghanistan, according to US reports.

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According to the paper, Trump was briefed on the activity months ago, but no discernible action has been taken. The UK received the intelligence last week. The 29155 unit of the GRU, an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, was responsible for executing the plan, according to the paper. In recent years, it has been linked to assassination attempts aimed at destabilising the West.

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Unit 29155 has been linked to an attempted coup in Montenegro, the poisoning of a Bulgarian arms manufacturer and subversion in Moldova.

This incredibly startling report details what is probably the most direct action taken by the Putin regime against the west since the illegal annexation of Crimea and invasion of the Donbass. It is now beyond proven that the Russian Federation under Vladimir Putin is a hostile actor working tirelessly to further its strategic interests. Those interests are totally antithetical to those of the west and threaten to plunge the world into another great war. In light of this report, it is abundantly clear that Donald Trump is either a buffoon who just can't accept that Russia won't be friends with the west, or he is purposefully working for Russia to weaken us. I'll let the reader be the judge.

I will come before you to ask the following questions:

Do you believe Russia did this?
If so, what should the response be?

Personally, I am beyond a doubt convinced that the Putin regime ordered the murder of American soldiers in Afghanistan. An appropriate response would be sanction their economy into the ground, release damaging intelligence to their enemies, support separatist groups inside Russia, increase NATO presence in the Baltic states, provide critical support to Ukraine in their fight against Russian invaders, and begin going after key Russian allies like Assad.

As for Trump ignoring this... he needs to be removed from office and jailed for treason.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:23 pm

Trump is a traitor and a kleptocrat, so no surprise there.
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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:25 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Trump is a traitor and a kleptocrat, so no surprise there.


in other news, the floor is made of floor.
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Postby Godular » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:38 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Trump is a traitor and a kleptocrat, so no surprise there.


in other news, the floor is made of floor.


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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:03 pm

I cannot wait for the Trump supporters to try to explain away this.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:05 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I cannot wait for the Trump supporters to try to explain away this.


Most of them will never hear about it, that's part of the problem.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:31 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I cannot wait for the Trump supporters to try to explain away this.


Explaining takes thought and effort. They will fall back on what they always use.....FAKE NEWS!
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Postby Galloism » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:34 pm

White house says they weren’t briefed.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:02 pm

Russia and the Taliban also deny it the payments happened at all, but a general rule seems to be if Russia says something is false it is probably true. And obviously the Taliban are liars.
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This requires further investigation, if Russia actually did this we should ban all Russian imports, cut them off from SWIFT, all members of the Putin regime subject to personal sanctions. Declare the GRU a terrorist organization. Suspend START negotiations, etc.

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If the NSC wants to brief the President, they should cultivate a contact on Fox and Friends.
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Postby Godular » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:36 pm



They musta been dealing with a tweetstorm from on high.
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Postby Red Intria » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:55 pm

I've no interest in signing up for a NYT account; anyone able to give a breakdown of the evidence presented in the original NYT article? The Guardian article alluded to evidence, but did not present any.

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Postby Godular » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:12 pm

Red Intria wrote:I've no interest in signing up for a NYT account; anyone able to give a breakdown of the evidence presented in the original NYT article? The Guardian article alluded to evidence, but did not present any.


I HATE paywalls on newspapers...
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:24 pm

I think Trump should resign over this, given that it makes it look as if he doesn't care about the troops.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:59 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Trump is a traitor and a kleptocrat, so no surprise there.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:09 pm

Godular wrote:
Red Intria wrote:I've no interest in signing up for a NYT account; anyone able to give a breakdown of the evidence presented in the original NYT article? The Guardian article alluded to evidence, but did not present any.


I HATE paywalls on newspapers...


Well I forgive them.

Newspapers have to pay their staff, and the revenue stream they used to have when they were the preferred channel of advertising to literate (and high income) media consumers, has dried up drastically. Revenue for all the traditional media has, since advertising has become so common on the internet that any one ad has less effect than it used to, and isn't worth paying as much for.

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Postby Gravlen » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:28 am


“We just don’t bother to tell the President and Vice-President about national security threats” is an unusual excuse.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:33 am

Gravlen wrote:

“We just don’t bother to tell the President and Vice-President about national security threats” is an unusual excuse.


Trump can't be blamed for his fuckups if people don't tell him about them. -nod-
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Postby Federal Republic Of America And The Cari » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:39 am

Sanction Russia to shit, support Ukraine in the war in donbass


Basically take the fight to them
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Postby Gravlen » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:39 am

Geneviev wrote:I think Trump should resign over this, given that it makes it look as if he doesn't care about the troops.

On the other hand, what did he ever do to make it look like he cares about the troops?

And I'm talking about active duty troops, not veterans like the ones he stole $2.8 million from when he diverted money given to a charity fundraiser for veterans into his presidential campaign. Veterans he has never given a shit about, and he has made no attempt to hide his disdain for them.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:45 am

Do you believe Russia did this?
If so, what should the response be?

This is the sort of thing I assume Russia does all the time.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:58 am

Nothing that fucker does surprises me anymore. This nation, nay, this planet, cannot survive another 4 years of him.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:42 am

Doing tit for tat operations won't do anything but add to global tensions. After all, the US gave the Mujahadeen weaponry that destroyed a lot of Soviet aircraft and resulted in losses for them. This is much the same thing happening, a country merely taking a side in a proxy war. We have to consider why Russia wanted to do this to begin with. They probably want NATO to be further away from their borders because it is a security threat for them.

I'm not in favor of retaliating any Russia more than is necessary on that basis, because they're too powerful. But I also believe it was negligent to have done nothing. I think I favor the troops being extracated ahead of time or a trap being laid. It only works if you lure them in and have them think they still have the element of surprise. We could even pay the Taliban more to turn against Russia. There are many options.

So what if behind the scenes, there was a bit of dirty dealing? That is normal as far as I can tell. The solution in my mind, is to play that game just as much.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:50 am

I'm guessing the response will be to invade Iran.

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