by Mesadora » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:29 pm
by The New California Republic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:31 pm
by The Imperial Magocracy of Galazkaban » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:34 pm
by Proctopeo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:35 pm
by Vetalia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:39 pm
Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
by Valrifell » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:48 pm
Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
by Valrifell » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:49 pm
Vetalia wrote:Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
Honestly, the only reason they're pushing this is to get 2 more reliably Democratic senators. It has nothing to do with anything else...if they wanted to address issues like Congressional representation and EC votes, incorporate the District into one of the neighboring states for those purposes.
by Fauzjhia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:51 pm
by Tinhampton » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:59 pm
by Vetalia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:00 pm
Valrifell wrote:The people of D.C. and Maryland (or Virginia) do not want that, is the problem. Whether or not retrocession is Constitutional was never a question that was actually addressed, either.
by Outer Sparta » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:01 pm
by Vetalia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:06 pm
Fauzjhia wrote:you see this as corruption, if you are right-wing and support the republican party, but people in Washington do not have the same rights as people who lives in less populated states, they can't elect representatives, they can't elect any senators, shouldn'T that right count over any partisan considerations.
its obvious the republicans do not want more democrats. so they will vote no in block to stop this.
Here a problem for any federation who gave themselves a federal district, it create 2nd class citizen, who do not have right to their own government, since its government by the congress, which mean people elected by voters from other states have a thing to say, in how the locals should be governed.
Giving Washington State-hood Is the RIGHT move, and the only way to correct this unfairness.
Would you appreciate that someone elected from another state, has the right to vote on law that will only applied in your state ? I think the answer is NO.
also,. what the founding fathers wanted should not count, theses people where no democrats, they should not be respected or revered. what should count, is what do the people living in washington want right NOW
by Bienenhalde » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:07 pm
Vetalia wrote:Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
Honestly, the only reason they're pushing this is to get 2 more reliably Democratic senators. It has nothing to do with anything else...if they wanted to address issues like Congressional representation and EC votes, incorporate the District into one of the neighboring states for those purposes.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:11 pm
Valrifell wrote:Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
Retrocession into Maryland is less politically viable than making it a state because no one in D.C. or Maryland actually want that to happen, plus the residential areas intertwine with the government buildings and office, so separating the two isn't exactly easy. It also comes with its own legal questions since the Constitution mandates that some form of D.C. exists.
by Fauzjhia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:12 pm
Vetalia wrote:Fauzjhia wrote:you see this as corruption, if you are right-wing and support the republican party, but people in Washington do not have the same rights as people who lives in less populated states, they can't elect representatives, they can't elect any senators, shouldn'T that right count over any partisan considerations.
its obvious the republicans do not want more democrats. so they will vote no in block to stop this.
Here a problem for any federation who gave themselves a federal district, it create 2nd class citizen, who do not have right to their own government, since its government by the congress, which mean people elected by voters from other states have a thing to say, in how the locals should be governed.
Giving Washington State-hood Is the RIGHT move, and the only way to correct this unfairness.
Would you appreciate that someone elected from another state, has the right to vote on law that will only applied in your state ? I think the answer is NO.
also,. what the founding fathers wanted should not count, theses people where no democrats, they should not be respected or revered. what should count, is what do the people living in washington want right NOW
There's really nothing stopping people who live in the DC to move to Maryland or Virginia if they want representation. The entire point of setting up the district was to avoid any squabbling over what state held the nation's capitol. And on top of that, the city itself gets enormous benefits from federal spending that is paid by taxpayers in the rest of the country far disproportionate to the amount of taxes paid by its residents.
by Fauzjhia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:18 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Vetalia wrote:
Honestly, the only reason they're pushing this is to get 2 more reliably Democratic senators. It has nothing to do with anything else...if they wanted to address issues like Congressional representation and EC votes, incorporate the District into one of the neighboring states for those purposes.
It is really too bad that partisan political posturing is getting in the way of such a sensible solution.
by Katganistan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:20 pm
Valrifell wrote:Vetalia wrote:
Honestly, the only reason they're pushing this is to get 2 more reliably Democratic senators. It has nothing to do with anything else...if they wanted to address issues like Congressional representation and EC votes, incorporate the District into one of the neighboring states for those purposes.
The people of D.C. and Maryland (or Virginia) do not want that, is the problem. Whether or not retrocession is Constitutional was never a question that was actually addressed, either.
by Fauzjhia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:24 pm
Katganistan wrote:Valrifell wrote:
The people of D.C. and Maryland (or Virginia) do not want that, is the problem. Whether or not retrocession is Constitutional was never a question that was actually addressed, either.
Virginia already took back part of DC, which is why it's shaped the way it is.
Seriously, make all the residential areas MD or VA, or even it's own state, and just leave the Federal district as the nation's capital.
by Valrifell » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:35 pm
Katganistan wrote:Valrifell wrote:
The people of D.C. and Maryland (or Virginia) do not want that, is the problem. Whether or not retrocession is Constitutional was never a question that was actually addressed, either.
Virginia already took back part of DC, which is why it's shaped the way it is.
Seriously, make all the residential areas MD or VA, or even it's own state, and just leave the Federal district as the nation's capital.
by Valrifell » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:39 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Valrifell wrote:Retrocession into Maryland is less politically viable than making it a state because no one in D.C. or Maryland actually want that to happen, plus the residential areas intertwine with the government buildings and office, so separating the two isn't exactly easy. It also comes with its own legal questions since the Constitution mandates that some form of D.C. exists.
Politicians in Maryland and DC are mostly Democrats who oppose it because DC statehood would benefit their party more. But if DC becomes a state, wouldn't that mean it was no longer neutral ground as envisioned by the constitution?
by Kannap » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:42 pm
Proctopeo wrote:I question their motives, and I think it's a dumb idea to begin with. The actual solution to "people in DC can't vote for President" is "give the residential areas (ie where people live) back to Maryland, so they vote as Marylanders".
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Rusozak » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:51 pm
by Valrifell » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:55 pm
Rusozak wrote:There's nothing neutral about D.C., believe me. Denying them representation isn't going to change anything. Besides, wasn't the whole idea of a neutral ground outside of any state brought up when the slave states were butting heads with the Federalists?
by Bienenhalde » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:59 pm
Fauzjhia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
It is really too bad that partisan political posturing is getting in the way of such a sensible solution.
that,s not really tricking me. the republican party is more then happy to block this, they don't want 2 more democrat senators. that,s the enemy, we don,t give seat to the enemy...
by Bienenhalde » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:01 pm
Valrifell wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:Politicians in Maryland and DC are mostly Democrats who oppose it because DC statehood would benefit their party more. But if DC becomes a state, wouldn't that mean it was no longer neutral ground as envisioned by the constitution?
The idea that making a state the seat of government would give it control over the Federal government after 200 years of increasing national powers is absurd. Anything that the new state would try would almost immediately be overturned in court or by an act of Congress or even by an Executive Order.
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