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by Philjia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:37 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:40 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Kragholm Free States wrote:Stinks of Starmer seizing the tiniest of opportunities to take his old leadership rival down a peg.
Nah, what it is is an indication of how this kinda shit isn't ok any more - whereas Corbyn would've tolerated it, Starmer is effecting real change in this regard. Anti-semitism and promotion of antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories has never been ok. The Labour Party under Keir Starmer is finally of that opinion.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:47 am
by Agarntrop » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:58 am
by Celritannia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:58 am
Purgatio wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Depending on the circumstance. I don't agree with hitting anyone for any reason.
But a hard tap is hardly a reason to keep going on about the action that happened a few years ago.
Lol are we really trying to trivialise an act of domestic violence against an intimate partner as an "action that happened a few years ago"? I mean, this is minimising language at its finest. Calling DV an "action that happened a few years ago" is pretty on par with Brock Turner's father's infamous "20 minutes of action" quote.
Phrasing matters. DV against intimate partners is SERIOUS, and should be taken seriously. Calling it an "action that happened a few years ago" is such a trivialising characterisation of the impact it has on victims.
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by Gravlen » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:01 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Do we know yet what RLB shared so we can judge for ourselves?
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:10 am
Gravlen wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Do we know yet what RLB shared so we can judge for ourselves?
She retweeted this article, with the caption “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond”
by Agarntrop » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:12 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Gravlen wrote:She retweeted this article, with the caption “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond”
Hmmm, sacking her seems an over reaction.
by Hirota » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:17 am
Thanks, that tallies with what the guardian is reporting. Don't see a single mention of amnesty international in that article, so dunno where Vass pulled that from.Gravlen wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Do we know yet what RLB shared so we can judge for ourselves?
She retweeted this article, with the caption “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond”
by Vassenor » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:29 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:32 am
Gravlen wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Do we know yet what RLB shared so we can judge for ourselves?
She retweeted this article, with the caption “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond”
“Systemic racism is a global issue,” [Maxine Peake] adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:59 am
by Hirota » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:01 am
Except he literally isn't.Vassenor wrote:Also we're not allowed to blame the government for fucking up the response to COVID: JRM is now literally blaming the weather for the spread of the virus.
by Agarntrop » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:02 am
Hirota wrote:Except he literally isn't.Vassenor wrote:Also we're not allowed to blame the government for fucking up the response to COVID: JRM is now literally blaming the weather for the spread of the virus.
From the article:
"Even things as simple as the weather may have influenced how the virus has spread, and so may the practices of individual cultures and societies."
He's making the perfectly valid point that a range of factors could have had an impact. That's common sense. The independents clickbait headline and your failure to read the article isn't.
by Vassenor » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:12 am
Hirota wrote:Except he literally isn't.Vassenor wrote:Also we're not allowed to blame the government for fucking up the response to COVID: JRM is now literally blaming the weather for the spread of the virus.
From the article:
"Even things as simple as the weather may have influenced how the virus has spread, and so may the practices of individual cultures and societies."
He's making the perfectly valid point that a range of factors could have had an impact. That's common sense. The independents clickbait headline and your failure to read the article isn't.
As for RLB, it seems excessive, but as soon as Labour's far left embraced cancel culture it was inevitable it would be a tactic used against the far left.
If RLB was given the opportunity to delete the tweet on twatter, then Starmer couldn't do much else or look weak.
by Hirota » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:12 am
I'd rather post on each post on its own merits (or lack thereof). If other forumgoers want to draw conclusions from a perceived pattern of behaviour that's up to them.Agarntrop wrote:Hirota wrote:Except he literally isn't.
From the article:
"Even things as simple as the weather may have influenced how the virus has spread, and so may the practices of individual cultures and societies."
He's making the perfectly valid point that a range of factors could have had an impact. That's common sense. The independents clickbait headline and your failure to read the article isn't.
We should keep a tally of how many times she does that
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:14 am
Ifreann wrote:What happened to those Blairites who were sabotaging the party under Corbyn? Weren't they deliberately not following up on anti-Semitism within the party in the hopes of making Jez look as bad as possible?
by The New California Republic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:15 am
by Hirota » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:15 am
I don't think you know what the word literally means.Vassenor wrote:Hirota wrote:Except he literally isn't.
From the article:
"Even things as simple as the weather may have influenced how the virus has spread, and so may the practices of individual cultures and societies."
He's making the perfectly valid point that a range of factors could have had an impact. That's common sense. The independents clickbait headline and your failure to read the article isn't.
As for RLB, it seems excessive, but as soon as Labour's far left embraced cancel culture it was inevitable it would be a tactic used against the far left.
If RLB was given the opportunity to delete the tweet on twatter, then Starmer couldn't do much else or look weak.
He's literally going "stop using other countries to blame our poor response because it could be all these things instead". The whole thing was about shutting down an attempt to critique the government's response in the house.
by Vassenor » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:20 am
The New California Republic wrote:Pictures of the PM's expensive vanity project.
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:22 am
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Ifreann wrote:What happened to those Blairites who were sabotaging the party under Corbyn? Weren't they deliberately not following up on anti-Semitism within the party in the hopes of making Jez look as bad as possible?
Almost all of them were already out of the party - plus others have left since, from what I can tell. Regardless, that 'report' has largely been dismissed as what it was - pathetic score settling by the outgoing Corbyn team, white washing his lot whilst just going 'no ur the antisemites' to the rest of the party.
Which seems to be the tactic the Corbynistas are engaging in on twitter after this sacking - accusing Keir Starmer of being the antisemitic one.
by Vassenor » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:23 am
Ifreann wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Almost all of them were already out of the party - plus others have left since, from what I can tell. Regardless, that 'report' has largely been dismissed as what it was - pathetic score settling by the outgoing Corbyn team, white washing his lot whilst just going 'no ur the antisemites' to the rest of the party.
Dismissing reports of internal sabotage doesn't sound like a very smart move.Which seems to be the tactic the Corbynistas are engaging in on twitter after this sacking - accusing Keir Starmer of being the antisemitic one.
I suppose it could be seen as anti-Semitic to read a sentence about Israeli policing tactics as an attack on the Jewish people, as if one believes that all Jews would in fact be responsible for any wrongdoing by Israel. Bit of a stretch to call Starmer an anti-Semite, though, seems far more likely he's just using this as an excuse to purge a political opponent.
by Andsed » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:24 am
Ifreann wrote:Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole Council declare a major incident and activate emergency response to thousands of gobshites swarming the beaches.
Can't believe people have actually started listening to GVH.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:53 am
The New California Republic wrote:Pictures of the PM's expensive vanity project.
by Chan Island » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:37 am
The New California Republic wrote:Pictures of the PM's expensive vanity project.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
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