Then there's nothing further to discuss.
Sure, it was idiotic of her trying to justify her tapping him hard, but there is no similarity to, let's say, the domestic concerns that revolved around BoJo.
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by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:58 pm
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by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:59 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
MRAs didn't care much about the assault. They took the "One-off incident" approach, right up until she tried to justify it.
Yes, yes.
Note that I did at least do you the courtesy of deleting the snarky 'and no prizes for guessing where Ostro stands' line from my original post before hitting 'submit'.
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:59 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Does her former partner feel any continued abuse from the indecent, or is suffering mental trauma from it after x many years?
Largely irrelevant to the concern, which was her comments. It's like Trumps "Grab em by the pussy, I don't even wait" shit. Even if every woman consented with him and didn't have a problem with it, that's a dangerous idea to be spreading as normal.
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by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Celritannia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Largely irrelevant to the concern, which was her comments. It's like Trumps "Grab em by the pussy, I don't even wait" shit. Even if every woman consented with him and didn't have a problem with it, that's a dangerous idea to be spreading as normal.
That's a terrible comparison.
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:01 pm
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by Hirota » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:02 pm
Well, it's not as if they can expect much better. Its either that or "and the Lib Dems did or said something, but nobody really cared."The Archregimancy wrote:But it's a matter of emphasis rather than serious disagreement, and realistically my focusing on superficials merely predicts what both NSG and much of the British media will spend most of the next few years wringing their hands over.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:04 pm
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:05 pm
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by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:07 pm
by The Archregimancy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:09 pm
Souseiseki wrote:hot take: tim farron's position was reasonable and moral given his circumstances and it's only due to the UK's insistence on ideological and cultural purity he got booted. essentially, he was punished for being a wrongthinker.
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:10 pm
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by The Archregimancy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:10 pm
Hirota wrote:Well, it's not as if they can expect much better. Its either that or "and the Lib Dems did or said something, but nobody really cared."The Archregimancy wrote:But it's a matter of emphasis rather than serious disagreement, and realistically my focusing on superficials merely predicts what both NSG and much of the British media will spend most of the next few years wringing their hands over.
I just don't think they are particularly relevant at the moment. Which is why at least with Moran dropping dumb soundbites on Twitter there will be something vaguely interesting about them.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:13 pm
Celritannia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
That's right, they do.
So you are linking a misogynist to a minor indecent is a terrible comparison.
You yourself have mentioned that when a man does something once, it should not warrant for a woman to be scared of him. Yet you are criticising a woman for doing one thing that did not really cause any problems.
Double standards.
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Celritannia wrote:
So you are linking a misogynist to a minor indecent is a terrible comparison.
You yourself have mentioned that when a man does something once, it should not warrant for a woman to be scared of him. Yet you are criticising a woman for doing one thing that did not really cause any problems.
Double standards.
I'm not criticizing her for the act dude. I'm criticizing her for trying to justify it rather than accept fault. I don't want her pulling that shit whenever this topic comes up.
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by Salandriagado » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:21 pm
by Celritannia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:22 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Celritannia wrote:
And yet, people hardly care about it, so why do you?
Because she's going to be asked about it and I don't want a party leader spamming everywhere the notion that it's fine to hit your boyfriend if you are stressed, and I don't want partisan activists to signal boost that idea on her behalf.
I don't care if her boyfriend doesn't care about that happening to him.
That's why the Trump pussy comparison is apt.
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by Salandriagado » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:22 pm
The New California Republic wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Somehow I doubt pubs are registered as data handlers for the purposes of the Data Protection Act.
Ironically in the past I have tried handing out CVs and cover letters for jobs, and the Manager has flatly refused, citing that they cannot hold info on me because of the Data Protection Act, yet giving many of the same deets to a barman is fine.
The mind boggles.
by Salandriagado » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:23 pm
Souseiseki wrote:Celritannia wrote:She is a vile woman.
it's legit hard to tell whether priti is a legit horrible person or just a pathetic patsy who goes along with whatever the party tells her (we know in this government people are promoted based on loyalty and meekishness not skill or conviction) and got dumped into the mr. nasty office and now feels she needs to be a raving authoritarian minority slapping dickhead to play the part
e: that's not a political nickname but a commentary on how home secretaries are required to adopt a certain public persona as part of their role but i'm not going to spend an excessive amount of time getting into it unless i have to
by The Archregimancy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:24 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:26 pm
Celritannia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because she's going to be asked about it and I don't want a party leader spamming everywhere the notion that it's fine to hit your boyfriend if you are stressed, and I don't want partisan activists to signal boost that idea on her behalf.
I don't care if her boyfriend doesn't care about that happening to him.
That's why the Trump pussy comparison is apt.
Realistically, who will care about it?
The Trump comparison is anything but apt.
by Hirota » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:32 pm
I'd add to that. Nobody cared when it happened in 2013 because she wasn't an MP. In 2017 it came to light because she became an MP. Now, with the chance to become party leader (and dictate party policy) it's more relevant. Are the lib dems under her watch going to be a tad more nuanced than what normally happens when politicans are talking about domestic violence?Ostroeuropa wrote:Celritannia wrote:
And yet, people hardly care about it, so why do you?
Because she's going to be asked about it and I don't want a party leader spamming everywhere the notion that it's fine to hit your boyfriend if you are stressed, and I don't want partisan activists to signal boost that idea on her behalf.
I don't care if her boyfriend doesn't care about that happening to him.
That's why the Trump pussy comparison is apt.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:37 pm
Hirota wrote:I'd add to that. Nobody cared when it happened in 2013 because she wasn't an MP. In 2017 it came to light because she became an MP. Now, with the chance to become party leader (and dictate party policy) it's more relevant. Are the lib dems under her watch going to be a tad more nuanced than what normally happens when politicans are talking about domestic violence?Ostroeuropa wrote:
Because she's going to be asked about it and I don't want a party leader spamming everywhere the notion that it's fine to hit your boyfriend if you are stressed, and I don't want partisan activists to signal boost that idea on her behalf.
I don't care if her boyfriend doesn't care about that happening to him.
That's why the Trump pussy comparison is apt.
I'd like to hope so.
by Hirota » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:43 pm
I'm not particularly interested in her being "pro-men" as if it's an either/or proposition the smacks of tribalism - just seek to counter stupid, ham-fisted policies that fail to accurately address the nuances of the issue and in many cases ignore that domestic violence is not a matter of a is always and only violent against b, and b is not always and only a victim of violence by a.Ostroeuropa wrote:The question is what sort of person she is, and I'm not really sure. I've seen nothing to indicate she wouldn't be negative on the issue, but if she were positive i'd assume she'd grown as a person and may even support her if it informed her DV policy to be more pro-men.
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