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Ideal Britain
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Postby Ideal Britain » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:23 am

Husseinarti wrote:henlo hi how do i make a police force????

what do police do????

what are ranks????

how do police do the police job????

how does a state have a police????

help my family is starving??????


1. Make a factbook in YN entitled Police of Husseinarti or similar

2. depends on country but enforcing the criminal law, responding to emergencies, investigating crime, protecting public safety and arresting suspected criminals are usual functions.
Providing directions to tourists as well as general help to members of the public and/or enforcing the political, racist or class system are also potential functions.

3. Ranks are titles of police officer granting them the power to tell other police officers what to do

4. This depends on country.
In some countries such as Finland, Sweden and France they are given a lot of training and education doing their job with their brains.
In some such as Britain policing by consent involving social skills is common, trying to persuade people to obey the law rather than use force.
In some police officers rely on brute force such as Pakistan and India.

5. The Government set one up.

6. Most societies have a welfare system
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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:32 am

...

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:19 am

What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.
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Postby Radimostan » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:45 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.


Aesthetic
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:40 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.

Motivating power. Asian architecture in general is pretty enough that you just want to stay at home and admire it. European architecture by contrast has for most of our history (some few periods excluded) been so boring and drab that it motivated Europeans to march out and conquer the world just so that we could have something nicer over our heads.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:44 pm

Purpelia wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.

Motivating power. Asian architecture in general is pretty enough that you just want to stay at home and admire it. European architecture by contrast has for most of our history (some few periods excluded) been so boring and drab that it motivated Europeans to march out and conquer the world just so that we could have something nicer over our heads.


Versilians tend to be the inwards perfection type. Splendid isolation and all that stuff, with only a bit of conquering and colonising. One must perfect the world gradually, after all.

I get what you mean tho lol.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:29 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.


Given how widely architecture varied between areas within those regions and over time, it is impossible to generalize.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:00 am

Would Special Branch's methods change if their focus was on British far-right terrorism?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:04 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:What are the general advantages of European (example: classical) architecture compared to that of East Asia? I know Japanese and Chinese traditional architectural designs tend to be very well adapted for the natural disasters that plague these countries, but I’m not sure what traditional European designs have going for them besides aesthetic.


Given how widely architecture varied between areas within those regions and over time, it is impossible to generalize.


True, I forgot about that. I am primarily referring to Greco-Roman and Western European/English Renaissance era architecture.
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Postby Hoskaria » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:40 pm

What percentage of the population should be able to live off of stocks for their whole lives? 5%? 1%?

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Postby Gallia- » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:17 pm

None. An all stock portfolio would be destroyed every decade or so.

Image

wee woo wee woo

now with 20x110mm assault rifle

next is the 50 BMG LMG and then it'll be all the hand carried weapons done
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:49 pm

Gallia- wrote:None. An all stock portfolio would be destroyed every decade or so.

(Image)

wee woo wee woo

now with 20x110mm assault rifle

next is the 50 BMG LMG and then it'll be all the hand carried weapons done

Bitches LOVE Cannons.

Anyway, would 135 police officers across three shifts be enough for a single district with roughly 11000 residents? Or would I need additional officers for the precinct? I was only able to build beat groups and detective teams, are there other components of a precinct that I should be aware of?
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:54 am

That's three or four times too many.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:25 am

Triplebaconation wrote:That's three or four times too many.

Even when you account for said cops being rotated based on schedules? This is just the beat: 30 people in a single shift. Add an additional 10 for detectives and five for the shift's command staff; that's 45 in a single shift, and there are three shifts.
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:26 am

My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:25 am

Gallia- wrote:My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.

I was thinking of something a little larger a la NYPD in terms of precinct size; this is just a single district in a city of (all numbers in-universe, not IRL) roughly 750000; the police department also has jurisdiction over two towns: Dauis with roughly 115000 and Panglao with roughly 85000.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:28 am

Would it be realistic in a Mounted Unit to have an Inspector command 15 police officers, a Sergeant command 5 police officers and a Chief Inspector command 60 police officers?
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:35 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Gallia- wrote:My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.

I was thinking of something a little larger a la NYPD in terms of precinct size; this is just a single district in a city of (all numbers in-universe, not IRL) roughly 750000; the police department also has jurisdiction over two towns: Dauis with roughly 115000 and Panglao with roughly 85000.


135 officers for 11,000 people would be a heavily patrolled ghetto in a major city.

Are you trying to outdo the Lodz Ghetto or something?

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:39 am

Gallia- wrote:
New Visayan Islands wrote:I was thinking of something a little larger a la NYPD in terms of precinct size; this is just a single district in a city of (all numbers in-universe, not IRL) roughly 750000; the police department also has jurisdiction over two towns: Dauis with roughly 115000 and Panglao with roughly 85000.


135 officers for 11,000 people would be a heavily patrolled ghetto in a major city.

Are you trying to outdo the Lodz Ghetto or something?

No, which is why I was wondering how many cops would be enough for a precinct even when accounting for rotations in schedule and stuff.
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:41 am

Triplebaconation wrote:That's three or four times too many.


Gallia- wrote:My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.


This is with three shifts, presumably.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:44 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Gallia- wrote:My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.

I was thinking of something a little larger a la NYPD in terms of precinct size; this is just a single district in a city of (all numbers in-universe, not IRL) roughly 750000; the police department also has jurisdiction over two towns: Dauis with roughly 115000 and Panglao with roughly 85000.


Police forces generally scale according to population size, so regardless of the physical size or density of the precinct, you'll have a similar number of officers relative to the number of residents. This isn't surprising given that populations also correlate to tax bases (and therefore police funding) as well as total crime rate, so unless this precinct is particularly dangerous and warrants additional officers, 2-4 per thousand will be the norm. NYPD has 4.2 officers per 1,000 residents and this is the fifth-highest rate in the country.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:45 am

Ideal Britain wrote:Would it be realistic in a Mounted Unit to have an Inspector command 15 police officers, a Sergeant command 5 police officers and a Chief Inspector command 60 police officers?

This is modelled on the idea of making them similar to cavalry
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:47 am

Gallia- wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:That's three or four times too many.


Gallia- wrote:My hometown has 14,000 people and some 28 cops total. That's including people like the chief of police. I think it goes up to around 32 if we include the civilian clerks who assist with data entry and stuff. There is a smaller town a few miles up the road with 11 officers (9 patrol officers) and about half as many people.

A normal, decent ratio per 1,000 people of officers for a small town in a developed country, like the United States, is anywhere from 2-4.

135 officers for a town of 11,000 makes me think there is a military garrison patrolling the streets and enforcing curfews. I guess this would work under a severe martial law scenario.


This is with three shifts, presumably.

I see. Guess it's back to the drafting board for building the precinct.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:07 pm

Are there any countries where most women marry before the age of 18?
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:14 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Are there any countries where most women marry before the age of 18?

Most of the world. It's really only in relatively rich places that the age of marriage shifts forward as people in general and women in specific spend years and decades wasting their lives on education and carriers before breeding.
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