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[DEFEATED] Repeal GA#495 "SaVing the Humanities"

Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:59 am

This resolution was at vote between the 12th and 16th of September, 2020.
It was defeated by a margin of 9,029 votes (about 66%) to 4,649 (about 34%).

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Repeal "Supporting and Valuing the Humanities"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.
Category: Repeal
Target: GA#495
Proposed by: Tinhampton

General Assembly Resolution #495 “Supporting and Valuing the Humanities” (Category: Education and Creativity; Area of Effect: Educational) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The World Assembly,

Reminding member nations that the General Fund, which relies on “donations from member states”, is not a bottomless pit of money;

Appalled that GA 495 does not sufficiently ensure that the World Humanities Fund does not pay for wasteful programmes that are only tangentially related to its objectives or permit member nation subdivisions to request funding for local educational needs;

Troubled that GA 495 fails to require that Fund-bankrolled programmes could not be paid for adequately by recipients without WA money;

Dismayed that this failure creates incentives for member nations to pawn off costs to the World Assembly and then pocket the difference, encouraging reckless spending of other peoples’ money;

Incensed at section 5’s requirement that “the GAO... cease the allowance of funds to the transgressing nation or organization” “if incorrect use of funds is reported” without adequate due process;

Interpreting that provision to apply to all GAO disbursements, rather than just World Humanities Fund handouts, even if nations or organisations receive funding in separate programmes with different oversight for separate purposes, such as:
  1. preventing radioactive leakage,
  2. primary education,
  3. healthcare for people in poverty, and
  4. economic development;

Extremely concerned that, by cutting off member nation ministries from resources voted to them in previous resolutions for the wrongdoings of unrelated ministries, GA 495 would then:
  1. weaken safety standards in uranium mines, increasing the risk of widespread nuclear disaster,
  2. worsen primary education in other topics, harming literacy and basic education as a whole,
  3. hamper the ability of health systems in developing nations to cope with infectious diseases, and
  4. destroy jobs in weak economies, plunging workers into poverty; and

Convinced that GA 80 “A Promotion of Basic Education”, which already requires schools in member nations to offer more humanities courses than the bare-minimum single course required in Article 2 of the target resolution, renders the target resolution unnecessary, hereby:

Repeals GA 495 “Supporting and Valuing the Humanities”.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:51 pm

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Olden Drafts:
Recognising that although the goal of funding the humanities is normally lofty in theory, GA#495 makes it much less achievable in practice, especially in the terms attached to receiving such funding through the World Humanities Fund (WHF) of the WA General Accounting Office (GAO),

Expressing dismay over the onerous conditions, dubious definitions and occasional near-impossibilities associated with WHF funding, such as:
  • declaring the WHF to be "an opt in service" without clarifying how exactly governments or non-profits are actually supposed to opt into being eligible to request WHF funds,
  • failing to allow political subdivisions of member nations (which would presumably be more representative of "local communities" and what areas of the humanities they desire to learn more about than national governments) to apply by themselves for funding designated under Article 3a,
  • stipulating in Article 3f that any WHF funds taken to fund primary school education only be used to "increase the offerings of exposure to the foundations of areas in the humanities" (i.e. creating new humanities courses) without making any provision for continued funding of pre-existing humanities courses at primary level,
  • requiring all WHF-sourced expenditures by recipients, which could number in the tens of thousands or upwards, to be monitored somehow by a "Department of External Auditors" within the GAO (itself confusingly monikered in light of Article 6 of GA#17, which requires the GAO to be audited by bodies with no connection to the GAO itself), and
  • allowing the GAO to "cease the allowance of funds" to member states that abuse WHF funding (upon DEA request) without specifying which body exactly is forbidden from dispensing funds to such states,

Utterly incensed at the various loopholes which enable claimants to abuse the WHF funding mechanism, including:
  • the ability for them to seek exceedingly small amounts of funding from the WHF to partially achieve a particular humanities-related goal as defined in Article 3 - given that the WHF can dispense funds to allow entities "to accomplish in part or in full [particular] objectives" (emphasis added) - without the GAO being allowed to prevent that claimant from seeking further WHF funds, since such small claims cannot constitute "incorrect use of funding" if used for a goal defined in Article 3,
  • GA#495's failure to allow the WHF to deny funding for a particular humanities project that falls under Article 3's remit if the claimant actually turns out to have sufficient funds to financially support that project, and
  • funds dispensed under Article 3c only being allowed to be used to support "government initiatives that seek to further the research and development in various areas of the humanities nationally" (emphasis added), rather than to actually fund humanities-related R&D projects,

Worried in particular at Clause 2, which only requires primary and secondary schools to offer one course in a single area of the humanities per year group (at minimum); without any mandate for those courses to cover substantial or even factual content, any clarification that students actually be required to take such courses, or any exemption for trade schools or schools specialising in a single non-humanities subject (such as mathematics or a natural science),

Further baffled at how the target resolution's definition of the humanities focuses more on which particular subjects count as being part of the humanities rather than generally explaining what defines a subject as being a humanities subject, and

Convinced that the matter of how much funding to grant to nationwide humanities-related projects is a decision better suited to national-level budgeters than to accountants working on behalf of an international bureaucracy...

The General Assembly hereby repeals GA#495 "Supporting and Valuing the Humanities."

Responding to The North Pacific's IFV on the target resolution:

TNP IFV: Supporting and Valuing the Humanities is a proposal that firstly notes the importance and rightful mention of the humanities within the halls of the WA, coming after GA# 475 which spoke on the importance of the Natural Sciences.
Tinhampton: Much of what SaVing the Humanities' preamble says about the humanities - that it is important, that it can help people develop their critical thinking skills, that it has proven important for the development of ideas for a long time, and that people who work in this field should be celebrated - applies to almost all other academic subjects.

TNP IFV: This resolution not only speaks about the humanities' importance, but takes steps to ensure their presence and usage in member nations' curriculums.
Tinhampton: This is broadly incorrect. SaVing the Humanities only requires that one humanities subject be available for study in each year group - there is no requirement that students take these courses or that (if they do) such courses are factual and non-trivial in nature. If I "offer" you a job, that doesn't mean you're required to sign a contract to say that you work for my company.

TNP IFV: Funding is offered for those nations who may not be able to support such curriculums with their own national budget through the World Humanities Fund.
Tinhampton: There are seven distinct purposes for which WHF funds may be requested: three of them relating to humanities courses up to university level, one for informal access-to-humanities courses, one for finding humanities-related jobs, one for R&D (if that can be said, read my repeal) and one for symposia. Furthermore, there are no conditions associated to which national governments and non-profits under their jurisdiction may apply for WHF funding; so as long as they have not been blacklisted by the WHF for "incorrect use of funding" (although "incorrect" is a horribly jarring word to be using in this context), they can apply for WHF funds, regardless of whether they are actually unable to fund such projects.

TNP IFV: Such funding has been given concrete objectives to ensure that no money is being improperly used.
Tinhampton: The objectives in Article 3 of SaVing the Humanities are not "concrete." Fluffy language such as "seek[ing] to further the research and development in various areas of the humanities," "funding humanities courses... to allow for greater accessibility outside of formal academic institutions," "strengthen the academic enrichment of courses" and "increase the offerings of exposure to the foundations of areas in the humanities" is abound. For instance, does "academic enrichment" mean requiring that humanities courses cover more points of view with less detail, that they expand upon the beliefs of only a few thinkers, or that they set out to enhance critical thinking skills for their students?

TNP IFV: These funds are not limited to only governments, but are extended to non profit entities who help further the mission of this proposal.
Tinhampton: This is correct, but in some contexts (such as Article 3a) funds cannot directly go to the entities that need funding when necessary.

TNP IFV: Built into the proposal is the formation of the Department of External Auditors, which ensures funds are being responsibly allocated to avoid wasteful spending and ensures transparency when it comes to the use of funding.
Tinhampton: The DEA's mission is overstated by TNP's Ministry of WA Affairs; its task is to report abuse of funds to the GAO (using funds for their intended purpose remains the responsibility of member states), not to "ensure [that] funds are being responsibly allocated." Furthermore, the DEA's existence is unnecessary; in Quality in Health Services, the WHA can reject funding requests of its own accord without having to receive a notification from another WA committee that its funds are being misused.

TNP IFV: For these reasons, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends voting For the proposal, "Supporting and Valuing the Humanities".
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:21 pm

You know, you can take all the time in the world to mark up these drafts, and posts FAQ's until your heart is content. That doesn't erase the monumental history of bad shit you have tried to pass. Perhaps you should take a break for a while, and let the poison dilute out of the water for a bit. Just a suggestion.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:31 pm

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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:12 pm

"Support. As a rule the government of the Bananamen People's Republic and the Communism, It's A Party! party are opposed to the squandering of the General Fund on frivolities. Particularly so when member states are already obliged to ensure that at least six of the example "subjects" are taught under GAR#80."
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:41 pm

Assistant Venkman: Ambassador Lewitt, a lot of suboptimal decisions made in a resolution's text results in a suboptimal resolution; perhaps the most glaring error is the opt-in controversy, which I would argue affects everybody that wants to ask for funds. If you need to opt into being able to receive WHF funds before you can actually ask for them, but nobody explains how you can opt in... what's the point?
Speaking of minor edits, two ambassadors proposed complete rewrites of what was eventually to become the Castle Federate's final proposal. "Academic Support of Humanities" by Ambassador Linda Ayramaki from Ararukar [sic], which would have replaced the Fund with a series of encouragements for member states, was turned down on the basis that the draft was supposed to be more of a declaration of support for the humanities than a resolution for members. "World Humanities Fund" by my overseer, Delegate-Ambassador Alexander Smith, appears to have been rejected without reply. Both rewrites were published weeks before the target resolution's submission.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:24 pm

Support; if you want drafting help I'll be happy to help.

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Draft 2 is now up - thank you, IA.
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“On the basis of ambassador Venkman’s response and new clauses which highlight the problems with the way GA #495 handled the GAO, I now support this repeal. I previously underestimated quite how much of an impact the poor wording had on the legislation as a whole.”
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OOC: Given the target's author steadfastly refused to fix any of the issues due to their love of their wording (apparently), support.
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Araraukar wrote:OOC: Given the target's author steadfastly refused to fix any of the issues due to their love of their wording (apparently), support.

I personally would support, but given who the author is, no dice.
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Submitted 12 hours ago, now deleted; may resubmit this in a few months. The below figure used to be 29 - I'm reliably informed that McM carried out a counter-campaign.

AS OF 0459 BST ON FRIDAY: Approvals: 27 out of 73 needed (Imperium Anglorum, Kustonia, Alaskor, Caladda, Bastanbo, Esperantist Mars, Harmonic Empire, Mathuvan Union, Awesomeland012345, Elysir, Heard and Mcdonald Island, Nghymru, Pure Blooded Whites, Ecania, Land Land Country Country, Cantanasia Objective, Biroa, Ostrovskiy, Byrdonia, Ransium, Redundland, New Luciannova, Upper Administration, Allenstadt, SFR Philippines, Wadelhelpia, HaClife)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Submitted 12 hours ago, now deleted; may resubmit this in a few months. The below figure used to be 29 - I'm reliably informed that McM carried out a counter-campaign.

AS OF 0459 BST ON FRIDAY: Approvals: 27 out of 73 needed (Imperium Anglorum, Kustonia, Alaskor, Caladda, Bastanbo, Esperantist Mars, Harmonic Empire, Mathuvan Union, Awesomeland012345, Elysir, Heard and Mcdonald Island, Nghymru, Pure Blooded Whites, Ecania, Land Land Country Country, Cantanasia Objective, Biroa, Ostrovskiy, Byrdonia, Ransium, Redundland, New Luciannova, Upper Administration, Allenstadt, SFR Philippines, Wadelhelpia, HaClife)

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OOC: I can't see any reasonable interpretation under which clause 5 extends the mandate of the GAO to all funds. Against.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:19 am

Tinhampton wrote:I'm reliably informed that McM carried out a counter-campaign.

That really should be a sign shouldn't it? Also, the whole list of who approved what is really unnecessary, and incredibly annoying.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:06 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:OOC: I can't see any reasonable interpretation under which clause 5 extends the mandate of the GAO to all funds. Against.


OOC: Certainly no nation would interpret it that way. But it's not an instruction to nations, it's an instruction to a WA committee; and even assuming total uncorruptibility among WA staff and organs, there would likely come a time when the committee would have what it thinks are great reasons to act as this repeal states. Cf. viewtopic.php?p=36694175#p36694175 (please note I might still be in the minority with this interpretation...)
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:29 pm

Still working on this - and still submitting this Soon :P
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:22 am

Tinhampton wrote:Still working on this - and still submitting this Soon :P

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:44 am

Great Robertia wrote:"Ambassador, an honest question: do you have any intent of seeing the target of your repeal to be replaced? Or is it simply your intent to get a resolution you disagree with out of the way?"

Assistant Venkman: Tinhampton's ambassadors are not drafting a replacement. It is unlikely we would support one unless it has better and more nuanced safeguards on funding - rather than either near-indiscriminate permissions on WHF funding or near-indiscriminate bans on GAO funding - doesn't introduce unnecessary morasses of bureaucracy like the DEA, and isn't a carbon copy of what we're repealing.
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Postby Great Robertia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:58 am

Tinhampton wrote:Assistant Venkman: Tinhampton's ambassadors are not drafting a replacement. It is unlikely we would support one unless it has better and more nuanced safeguards on funding - rather than either near-indiscriminate permissions on WHF funding or near-indiscriminate bans on GAO funding - doesn't introduce unnecessary morasses of bureaucracy like the DEA, and isn't a carbon copy of what we're repealing.


"While your justification for this resolution is sound, I cannot in good conscience support this repeal once it reaches the floor. Had there been replacement legislation in the works, my response would have been different. Nonetheless, may events unfold in your favour."
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:04 am

Great Robertia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Assistant Venkman: Tinhampton's ambassadors are not drafting a replacement. It is unlikely we would support one unless it has better and more nuanced safeguards on funding - rather than either near-indiscriminate permissions on WHF funding or near-indiscriminate bans on GAO funding - doesn't introduce unnecessary morasses of bureaucracy like the DEA, and isn't a carbon copy of what we're repealing.


"While your justification for this resolution is sound, I cannot in good conscience support this repeal once it reaches the floor. Had there been replacement legislation in the works, my response would have been different. Nonetheless, may events unfold in your favour."

"You can write the replacement. There is still education laws that guarantee basic education on Humanities, so a non-immediate replacement wouldn’t be Super disastrous.
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:54 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Great Robertia wrote:
"While your justification for this resolution is sound, I cannot in good conscience support this repeal once it reaches the floor. Had there been replacement legislation in the works, my response would have been different. Nonetheless, may events unfold in your favour."

"You can write the replacement. There is still education laws that guarantee basic education on Humanities, so a non-immediate replacement wouldn’t be Super disastrous.


Indeed. We consider the greatest justification for the repeal to be that its mandates are already ensured, in a less invasive manner, through other legislation.

We have yet to see any justification for why this assembly should stick its obtrusively large nose into micromanaging the educational systems and priorities of member states. These are purely domestic affairs best left out of this institution altogether. We encourage a full adoption of the repeal and no replacement.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:35 pm

The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
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