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by Imperium Romanum Sanctis » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:46 pm
Italios wrote:well, Zizek is a (schniff) funny guy. of course he's a marxist, but he goes against the grain a few ways. he could definitely be construed as a post marxist. I mean it's well known that the decolonization fellas - the Fannonists basically - really hate him, and related to that is his very outspoken on his critique of identity politics, which has wormed its way into popular marxism.
by Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:47 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:whats more likely, immaculate birth or mary just lied lmfao "uhhh no we never did anything i swear mum"
immaculate birth isn't even unique, its a normal mythology
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:47 pm
Nakena wrote:I could Zizek imagine totally to be the guy who enjoys a good time with Strippers and some Booze after a long day.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:47 pm
are u a marxist tho?Italios wrote:ell, Zizek is a (schniff) funny guy. of course he's a marxist, but he goes against the grain a few ways. he could definitely be construed as a post marxist. I mean it's well known that the decolonization fellas - the Fannonists basically - really hate him, and related to that is his very outspoken on his critique of identity politics, which has wormed its way into popular marxism.
on your second part, I think a lot the reasoning the political enemy was viewed as something that needed to be crushed as opposed to colonized is because the conventional fascist threads - broadly liberalism, but specifically Jews - is because they actually lived in the western countries and had politically and financially active roles. brown savage living in Botswana or the great planes does not serve in parliament, control the treasury, etc. so the fascist would argue a very different kind of solution, however barbaric, is necessitated for a success class collaborationist nation.
again, this rolls right into Marxist narrative about diamet and the distractions the bourgeois provides the alienate the worker, but whatever.
by Cekoviu » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:48 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:whats more likely, immaculate birth or mary just lied lmfao "uhhh no we never did anything i swear mum"
immaculate birth isn't even unique, its a normal mythology
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:48 pm
The Cazistan wrote:this thread changes topics more often than a 13 year old girl changes shirts
by The Marlborough » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:49 pm
Valrifell wrote:The Marlborough wrote:The history of Cambodia from the 1950's to 1990's is far, far stranger than something like that.
Can't say I'm familiar outside of the Khmer Rouge and the Vietnamese occupation.
Though the Khmer Rouge getting support from the United States was pretty weird, come to think.
by The Cazistan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:49 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:49 pm
Cekoviu wrote:unlikely != impossible
by Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:50 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:are u a marxist tho?Italios wrote:ell, Zizek is a (schniff) funny guy. of course he's a marxist, but he goes against the grain a few ways. he could definitely be construed as a post marxist. I mean it's well known that the decolonization fellas - the Fannonists basically - really hate him, and related to that is his very outspoken on his critique of identity politics, which has wormed its way into popular marxism.
on your second part, I think a lot the reasoning the political enemy was viewed as something that needed to be crushed as opposed to colonized is because the conventional fascist threads - broadly liberalism, but specifically Jews - is because they actually lived in the western countries and had politically and financially active roles. brown savage living in Botswana or the great planes does not serve in parliament, control the treasury, etc. so the fascist would argue a very different kind of solution, however barbaric, is necessitated for a success class collaborationist nation.
again, this rolls right into Marxist narrative about diamet and the distractions the bourgeois provides the alienate the worker, but whatever.
yeah thats a fine analysis. but remember the fascists had a lot of internal things as well that weren't even threats to them. they were really, really, really into crushing gays (then having sex with other men afterwards), gypsies, et cetera.
I think you are pointing out the structure of the class collaborationist ( ) state which I basically agree with, but I am thinking about the fascist personality type. with the fascist personality type I wanted to draw parallels to libertarian personality types in a "second part" but I think it would be too nuclear
by Valrifell » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:51 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Can't say I'm familiar outside of the Khmer Rouge and the Vietnamese occupation.
Though the Khmer Rouge getting support from the United States was pretty weird, come to think.
The very compact and short version goes like this:
Norodom Sihanouk becomes king. Later he abdicates in favor of his father and basically becomes the prime minister. Then he becomes the dictator. Then he gets coup'd. Then he joins with the Khmer Rouge. Then he sides with the Vietnamese backed CPP against the Khmer Rouge. Then he goes against the Vietnamese backed CPP and Khmer Rouge.
Hun Sen joined with the Khmer Rouge. Then he left the Khmer Rouge and became leader of the CPP.
Then both Hun Sen and Norodom Sihanouk reconciled, with Hun Sen and his old communist party reinstating the monarchy with Norodom Sihanouk as king once more.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:51 pm
by Auze » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:52 pm
The Cazistan wrote:this thread changes topics more often than a 13 year old girl changesshirtssexual orientation
by Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:52 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:whats more likely, immaculate birth or mary just lied lmfao "uhhh no we never did anything i swear mum"
immaculate birth isn't even unique, its a normal mythology
Why bother taking likelihood into account? A man returning from the dead after crucifixion is unlikely, yet we still believe it happened.
Indulge us with other examples of immaculate birth if you wish.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:56 pm
nice knowing you, you will get cancelled in future.Italios wrote:so i guess I'm an instrumentalist then
yeah I don't mind talking to them on the internet. but I would rather just see them squashed IRL. fascists are like bugs, if you let them multiply, soon they're everywhere.Italios wrote:
although this is the RWDT so of course, i'm open to discussion with the third positions and so on
by Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:57 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Italios » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:57 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:nice knowing you, you will get cancelled in future.Italios wrote:so i guess I'm an instrumentalist then
all western left is poisoned by structuralism of all kinds. marxism no exception. one day on thsi thread we should organise a debate about labour theory of value vs marginal theory of value, I'm sure there would be LOTS of people willing to defend latter.
I really like marx, he had a lot of very interesting things to say and many predictions he made come true, but I can't follow him the way that most socialists do. he's just a guy in history who birthed a movement - there can be a socialism after marxism. i guess i would define my politics as post-marxist non-leftist socialism.yeah I don't mind talking to them on the internet. but I would rather just see them squashed IRL. fascists are like bugs, if you let them multiply, soon they're everywhere.Italios wrote:recently I have been thinking of joining the communist party but I don't really think I can take that step yet.
although this is the RWDT so of course, i'm open to discussion with the third positions and so on
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:57 pm
by Auze » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:58 pm
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