2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[San Lumen]

Its very doubtful that passes.

Not as doubtful as you think, in my humble opinion.

Look at what happened in Kentucky last year. Even McConnell told Bevin to provide solid evidence of fraud or step aside

I think McConnell will find Trump quite outside of his control if Trump loses. He'll be too busy raving about fake news and voter fraud to listen to anyone.

and If many Republicans in Washington are telling him step aside and they wont support court battles I think in that case he'd listen to reason

[Jedi Council]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

[San Lumen]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

Oh hell no

[Idzequitch]

Not as doubtful as you think, in my humble opinion.


I think McConnell will find Trump quite outside of his control if Trump loses. He'll be too busy raving about fake news and voter fraud to listen to anyone.

and If many Republicans in Washington are telling him step aside and they wont support court battles I think in that case he'd listen to reason

You have too much faith in him. He's a narcissist through and through, and anyone who tells him to stand down will be thrown under the bus with Powell, Bush, Romney, Murkowski, Kelly, Bolton, Mattis, Cohen, Amash, Bannon, Beck, McCain, Kasich, and Lord knows who else who haven't become or remained the "yes" men he wanted.

[Cisairse]

My dad enthusistically voted Trump in 2016, despite my suggestion for him to consider Johnson (Especially since he lived in NM while Johnson was governor here). I think Trump's handling of COVID and the current protests have shaken his faith in his leadership. I highly, highly doubt my parents will consider Biden, but they may go for someone like Jo Jorgensen.

I'm not a libertarian, but it saddens me that they keep kneecapping themselves with their candidates. On her website, a cursory glance shows how little attentiveness to both aesthetic and policy detail matters. There is no focus on what they plan to do with the issues facing America, it reads more like a hyper-libertarian manifesto hastily drafted on, say, a forum like NSG.

I don't like Amash's policies all too much, but Jesus, he should've just gone for it and subsequently the LNC should've picked him if they wanted a chance to break 5%.

Supreme was their only chance to break 5% this cycle and they threw it in the trash

[Major-Tom]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

OP-Ed writer from a site that promotes political clickbait/establishment fandom has a truly bad take, no surprises whatsoever.

[Shrillland]

and If many Republicans in Washington are telling him step aside and they wont support court battles I think in that case he'd listen to reason

You have too much faith in him. He's a narcissist through and through, and anyone who tells him to stand down will be thrown under the bus with Powell, Bush, Romney, Murkowski, Kelly, Bolton, Mattis, Cohen, Amash, Bannon, Beck, McCain, Kasich, and Lord knows who else who haven't become or remained the "yes" men he wanted.

So? Let the American "wets" grow until they become a deluge.

[Shrillland]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

OP-Ed writer from a site that promotes political clickbait/establishment fandom has a truly bad take, no surprises whatsoever.

Maybe in their editorials. In terms of straight news, they're actually almost as good as Politico.

[Valrifell]

I'm not a libertarian, but it saddens me that they keep kneecapping themselves with their candidates. On her website, a cursory glance shows how little attentiveness to both aesthetic and policy detail matters. There is no focus on what they plan to do with the issues facing America, it reads more like a hyper-libertarian manifesto hastily drafted on, say, a forum like NSG.

I don't like Amash's policies all too much, but Jesus, he should've just gone for it and subsequently the LNC should've picked him if they wanted a chance to break 5%.

Supreme was their only chance to break 5% this cycle and they threw it in the trash

It was rigged from the start smh.

[Zurkerx]

Biden campaign opposes calls to 'defund the police'. Biden instead supports funding of community policing programs that work to improve relations between police and communities, as well as diversifying police departments. He also backs the use of police body cameras.

Which in my view is the smart move: despite what has transpired, defunding the police goes too far. Reforming the police and throwing out the bad apples though is much more sensible and practical. Of course, that hasn't stopped Republicans from misrepresenting a few radicals as the whole Democratic Party (and excuse not to back police reforms):

Democrats have largely embraced calls to reform police departments, but have stopped short of endorsing calls to defund police. Republicans have seized on the issue to argue Democrats are going too far with their calls for reforms.

Trump and Republicans have worked to promote a message of law and order amid the protests. The Trump campaign tied Biden to the calls to defund police departments on Monday.

“As the protesters like to say, silence is agreement,” Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh said on a conference call with reporters. “By his silence Joe Biden is endorsing defunding the police.”

I honestly don't see it working as well as they think, especially when a majority are backing the protesters and currently rejecting their "Law & Order" approach.

[Major-Tom]

OP-Ed writer from a site that promotes political clickbait/establishment fandom has a truly bad take, no surprises whatsoever.

Maybe in their editorials. In terms of straight news, they're actually almost as good as Politico.

True, some of their shit is fine. Even Politico, as much as I like a lot of their content, is still prone to having heaps of garbage fire come out of their OP-ED department.

[Cisairse]

Maybe in their editorials. In terms of straight news, they're actually almost as good as Politico.

True, some of their shit is fine. Even Politico, as much as I like a lot of their content, is still prone to having heaps of garbage fire come out of their OP-ED department.

And also their headline-writer department.

[Nakena]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

Very unlikely altough his arguments aren't wrong and she'd be supremely qualified and would be a fitting pick for a multitude of reasons.

[Shrillland]

How quickly tides change...Over in North Bronx-Westchester, Eliot Engel's acting fairly desperate, accusing AOC of trying to "anoint" his successor: https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-dictatorship-democratic-congressman-accuses-160531841.html

He brought this on himself, though. Saying that you wouldn't care to have a conversation on BLM during a time of heightened racial awareness due to police brutality isn't the thing to say when you represent the fucking Bronx.

[Cisairse]

How quickly tides change...Over in North Bronx-Westchester, Eliot Engel's acting fairly desperate, accusing AOC of trying to "anoint" his successor: https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-dictatorship-democratic-congressman-accuses-160531841.html

He brought this on himself, though. Saying that you wouldn't care to have a conversation on BLM during a time of heightened racial awareness due to police brutality isn't the thing to say when you represent the fucking Bronx.

"We shouldn't have one person, from high, even though she's a colleague of mine, think that she can anoint whoever is elected to Congress," Engel said.

Translation:

"I deserve this House seat! Nobody should run against me because this seat is mine!"

I hope he loses and never serves elected office again.

[San Lumen]

How quickly tides change...Over in North Bronx-Westchester, Eliot Engel's acting fairly desperate, accusing AOC of trying to "anoint" his successor: https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-dictatorship-democratic-congressman-accuses-160531841.html

He brought this on himself, though. Saying that you wouldn't care to have a conversation on BLM during a time of heightened racial awareness due to police brutality isn't the thing to say when you represent the fucking Bronx.

I really hope he loses.

[Shrillland]

How quickly tides change...Over in North Bronx-Westchester, Eliot Engel's acting fairly desperate, accusing AOC of trying to "anoint" his successor: https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-dictatorship-democratic-congressman-accuses-160531841.html

He brought this on himself, though. Saying that you wouldn't care to have a conversation on BLM during a time of heightened racial awareness due to police brutality isn't the thing to say when you represent the fucking Bronx.

I really hope he loses.

It would be a hell of a change of he does. He's been in the House as long as I've been in this world, 32 years. It takes a huge shift in public opinion to remove someone who's been in that long.

[Cisairse]

I really hope he loses.

It would be a hell of a change of he does. He's been in the House as long as I've been in this world, 32 years. It takes a huge shift in public opinion to remove someone who's been in that long.

He's also the Chair of the House Foreign Relations Committee.

[Shrillland]

It would be a hell of a change of he does. He's been in the House as long as I've been in this world, 32 years. It takes a huge shift in public opinion to remove someone who's been in that long.

He's also the Chair of the House Foreign Relations Committee.

History never repeats itself. Humans always do.

[San Lumen]

I really hope he loses.

It would be a hell of a change of he does. He's been in the House as long as I've been in this world, 32 years. It takes a huge shift in public opinion to remove someone who's been in that long.

Its not without precedent. Emanuel Celler who served in Congress for almost 50 years lost his primary in 1972 to Elizabeth Holtzman

[Jerzylvania]

Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

I don't think so either, but I can guarantee he's going to try his hand in staging multiple court battle after court battle, lawsuit after lawsuit, maybe even bring it to the SC all the while his fervent supporters get more and more aggravated.

I'm worried about violence more than anything from a Trump loss.

Well, don't emotionally hold yourself hostage to the idea of it. It's not gonna happen that way. SL is right. The military et al will take orders from Biden at that moment. It's all about the constitution. Top military brass have been talking about their constitutional restraints ever since the military was misused to clear Lafayette Park last week. They'll do what is their lawful duty when the day comes. And they'll signal to Trump in advance not to dare try anything.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics ... index.html

Trump has announced he will restart campaign rallies in two weeks. I am not certain if there is anything governors or mayors can legally do to stop him.

[Cisairse]

Thankfully I don't think he has enough power or influence to stage a coup and keep himself in power indefinitely. That would require military support, and he's losing that faster than France lost the Nazi invasion.

I don't think so either, but I can guarantee he's going to try his hand in staging multiple court battle after court battle, lawsuit after lawsuit, maybe even bring it to the SC all the while his fervent supporters get more and more aggravated.

I'm worried about violence more than anything from a Trump loss.

The thing is, the Constitution is very clear about how presidential succession happens.

If Al Gore was given a December 12 DNR date by the SCOTUS, there's no reason to believe that Trump won't be.

[Jerzylvania]

The Hill contributor pushing Biden to pick Condi Rice as Vice President...

That would be a disastrous choice.

Utter madness.

[Dresderstan]

I really hope he loses.

It would be a hell of a change of he does. He's been in the House as long as I've been in this world, 32 years. It takes a huge shift in public opinion to remove someone who's been in that long.

And really I don't think any of his primary challengers are gonna beat him, and never will the Bronx vote a Republican.