by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:05 am
by The Free Joy State » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:42 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:16 am
The Free Joy State wrote:As I don't think I am allowed to ask for a second opinion on a report I didn't action, I would like to raise a new mod report, and this seems apt as it largely pertains to the HK thread. This is not IM's only instance of talking of North Korea as a "haven", nor of pushing distasteful opinions in a repetitive way that seems designed to rile the thread.
In fact, it appears to me that it is part of a long term pattern of posting that -- as such may, viewed as a pattern -- constitute trolling NSG (as such posting patterns have with previous posters, IIRC).
Although unorthodox, I would like some recent history with regards to Infected Mushroom to be looked at.
On North Korea:
viewtopic.php?p=37239549#p37239549
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=482392&p=36865762&hilit=NK#p36865762
viewtopic.php?p=36865349#p36865349
Calling protestors "rioters" (all since June 1st -- there are many, many more)
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37233853&hilit=rioters#p37233853
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37228437&hilit=rioters#p37228437
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37223049&hilit=rioters#p37223049
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37223030#p37223030
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37215277#p37215277
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=478559&p=37210896&hilit=rioters#p37210896
On locking up the Uighur Muslims:
viewtopic.php?p=36692945#p36692945
viewtopic.php?p=36693007#p36693007 (calling locking up a population, due to their religion, "quarantine", in reference to COVID-19 -- thus implying that a minority religion is akin to a virus -- twice)
On removing organs from political dissidents:
viewtopic.php?p=36581641#p36581641
viewtopic.php?p=36303675#p36303675
There are other posts, going back much longer in history. I just thought I might give you a sample, both to serve as context, and because I think his pattern of behaviour on-site needs looking into.
On locking up the Uighur Muslims:
viewtopic.php?p=36692945#p36692945
viewtopic.php?p=36693007#p36693007 (calling locking up a population, due to their religion, "quarantine", in reference to COVID-19 -- thus implying that a minority religion is akin to a virus -- twice)
by The Free Joy State » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:36 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would also like to launch a counter-report (against the Free Joy State) that this is a bad faith report/fishing expedition where someone wishes to silence a point of view with respect to the Hong Kong debate by going through an entire posting history and taking posts out of context (and YES, there is more than one point of view on the matter of Hong Kong).
In fact, a good plurality/majority of these reported links are from many many months back (one post was from October 2019, we are in June 2020).
Some people may wish to see the conflict and riots in Hong Kong cause the breakdown of the CCP and the breaking apart of an entire nation, but it is my right as a resident in this great city to express my opposition to those views within the rules of the site. And yes, I do invite people to question what the western media says and to look at North Korea with a more nuanced perspective.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:55 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:I would also like to launch a counter-report (against the Free Joy State) that this is a bad faith report/fishing expedition where someone wishes to silence a point of view with respect to the Hong Kong debate by going through an entire posting history and taking posts out of context (and YES, there is more than one point of view on the matter of Hong Kong).
In fact, a good plurality/majority of these reported links are from many many months back (one post was from October 2019, we are in June 2020).
Some people may wish to see the conflict and riots in Hong Kong cause the breakdown of the CCP and the breaking apart of an entire nation, but it is my right as a resident in this great city to express my opposition to those views within the rules of the site. And yes, I do invite people to question what the western media says and to look at North Korea with a more nuanced perspective.
I do not wish to argue, or spam moderation. But I would like to counter the accusation that this is a bad-faith report.
I have made this report in good faith, in the sincere belief that Infected Mushroom is engaging in long-term, persistent, low-grade trolling in an attempt to inflame the threads with which he is participating and so rile other posters.
While I acknowledge that unpopular opinions are not necessarily trolling, his repetitive habit of referring to protestors as "rioters" (and never differentiating, that I have seen) seems like deliberate dancing on the rules, knowing that several other posters in the Hong Kong thread are participants in the protests.
If I had gone back further than the last couple of months, I could have compiled quite a hefty report. But I opted not to give you mods too much to look at.
by Glorious Hong Kong » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:12 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:I would also like to launch a counter-report (against the Free Joy State) that this is a bad faith report/fishing expedition where someone wishes to silence a point of view with respect to the Hong Kong debate by going through an entire posting history and taking posts out of context (and YES, there is more than one point of view on the matter of Hong Kong).
In fact, a good plurality/majority of these reported links are from many many months back (one post was from October 2019, we are in June 2020).
Some people may wish to see the conflict and riots in Hong Kong cause the breakdown of the CCP and the breaking apart of an entire nation, but it is my right as a resident in this great city to express my opposition to those views within the rules of the site. And yes, I do invite people to question what the western media says and to look at North Korea with a more nuanced perspective.
I do not wish to argue, or spam moderation. But I would like to counter the accusation that this is a bad-faith report.
I have made this report in good faith, in the sincere belief that Infected Mushroom is engaging in long-term, persistent, low-grade trolling in an attempt to inflame the threads with which he is participating and so rile other posters.
While I acknowledge that unpopular opinions are not necessarily trolling, his repetitive habit of referring to protestors as "rioters" (and never differentiating, that I have seen) seems like deliberate dancing on the rules, knowing that several other posters in the Hong Kong thread are participants in the protests.
If I had gone back further than the last couple of months, I could have compiled quite a hefty report. But I opted not to give you mods too much to look at.
EDIT: I concede that the post from October 2019 is posted in error; all the other posts are a selection from 2020.
Infected Mushroom wrote:What about this then?Hong Kong People wrote:Death to the CCP and the People's Republic of China!
Long Live Free and Democratic Hong Kong!
May members of the Chinese Communist Party and the Hong Kong government be sent to hell thanks to this plague and may Hong Kong enjoy freedom, democracy , health and justice for all.
At least with the part about wanting members of government to be sent to hell, seems to be wishing death
and there's a general comparison to a plague too
"Death to the CCP and the People's Republic of China" reasonably gives offence to anyone who might live in China (it's basically a variation of "death to [insert the name of another country]")
Not sure if any lines are crossed, just submitting it for review
by Santheres » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:33 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:55 pm
by Shofercia » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:25 pm
Santheres wrote:In light of the history shown, it's clear that any individual distasteful post might not otherwise be actionable but there is a clear pattern of saying such things for the sake of riling up others. I'm turning this into a *** Warn for trolling *** for Infected Mushroom.
If you need far lengthier posts to explain how you're not really trolling, then perhaps consider why your wording might warrant such a post to begin with.
by Bombadil » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:57 pm
Shofercia wrote:Santheres wrote:In light of the history shown, it's clear that any individual distasteful post might not otherwise be actionable but there is a clear pattern of saying such things for the sake of riling up others. I'm turning this into a *** Warn for trolling *** for Infected Mushroom.
If you need far lengthier posts to explain how you're not really trolling, then perhaps consider why your wording might warrant such a post to begin with.
Question: what made you, or the moderation team as a whole, decide that IM is saying it for the sake of riling up others? As NSG posters, we should what the deciding factors are, because I hold unpopular opinions as well, following populism and realism and all that jazz, so I'm wondering at what point does an unpopular opinion being posted, gain the intent of "riling up others" rather than merely stating an opinion?
by Farnhamia » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:15 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:I’d like to request a second opinion thanks
The opinions are worded in a respectful and reasonable manner and the sound moral compass of North Korea was as “with respect to a particular matter” (the matter of the national security law in HK). I also don’t see how the posts could be “shaped up” since I have been providing sources and arguing in good faith. This amounts to only tolerating one side and one POV and in this debate.
I need “lengthy posts” to explain because I have made a large number of posts in the thread and many of the arguments made are not popular. It is easy to take out of context.
Please provide a second opinion, thanks.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:49 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:I’d like to request a second opinion thanks
The opinions are worded in a respectful and reasonable manner and the sound moral compass of North Korea was as “with respect to a particular matter” (the matter of the national security law in HK). I also don’t see how the posts could be “shaped up” since I have been providing sources and arguing in good faith. This amounts to only tolerating one side and one POV and in this debate.
I need “lengthy posts” to explain because I have made a large number of posts in the thread and many of the arguments made are not popular. It is easy to take out of context.
Please provide a second opinion, thanks.
I'm going to uphold the warning, a little reluctantly but I agree with Santh that you've established a pattern of posting in such a way as to elicit a heated response from others. Trolling need not be intentional to be trolling. It's all in the way it's expressed.
by The Free Joy State » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:28 pm
by Glorious Hong Kong » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:43 pm
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