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by Feyrisshire » Mon May 25, 2020 1:24 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:So how long until a revolution happens in Germany or the USSR fights them? Also, would he likely integrate his puppets into the USSR or keep them as nominally sovereign nations?
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by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 3:17 pm
Feyrisshire wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:So how long until a revolution happens in Germany or the USSR fights them? Also, would he likely integrate his puppets into the USSR or keep them as nominally sovereign nations?
Trotsky is more known to be idealist than Stalin/Lenin, so we really don't know whether he would change his mind in after knowing the conditions while being in leadership. Suffice to say he also wrote very little on what he would do if he ever came to power. Also, Trotsky’s “world revolution” is also objectively bad as the USSR going into war with everybody or supporting revolutions before strengthening itself is suicidal. There’s a reason why Stalin’s “Socialism in One Country” won out since it is the more practical approach.
I think he would simply be forced to discard it or his theory would be reinterpreted like biding in time before a revolution in Germany is part of the “world revolution”.
Also, there was no successful socialist revolution in Germany. The Spartacist uprising in Berlin in 1919 was quickly squashed. It’s very hard to say how Trotsky can change the situation as the conditions for a revolution in Germany are not tenable at the time. The decisions of Stalin on what places to annex or to leave independent, rely on factors outside their control such as the need to place annexations within Russian national borders so I’m not sure also how would Trotsky change that.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 3:19 pm
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by Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 4:27 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Neanderthaland » Mon May 25, 2020 4:29 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:What if Europeans never found America?
by Feyrisshire » Mon May 25, 2020 4:30 pm
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by Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 4:33 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Neanderthaland » Mon May 25, 2020 4:48 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:Uhh... I mean, never?
Like, ever?
Probably Europe would be a wasteland, having been devastated by a giant meteor.
What if the New World discovered Europe first? Like Europeans didn't bother traveling west and the Native people had enough time to advance enough to head east and reach Europe?
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by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 4:55 pm
by Rojava Free State » Mon May 25, 2020 4:55 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 5:06 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Drew Durrnil wrote:I have a question, what if France won the Seven Years War?
My answer to this is that if France won the Seven Years War, then America will never have gone through a revolution and so won't all the other countries that went through a revolution, which means that:
1. Napoleon would not have ruled France;
1a. The Holy Roman Empire will still exist because Napoleon defeated the HRE;
2. America would not exist;
2a. Even if America did go through a revolutionary war, they would probably lose because they would not have help from allies;
3. Poland-Lithuania will still exist
If America did not exist;
1. The War of 1812 would not happen;
2. The Louisiana Purchase would not have happened;
2a. France will have kept the land for a long time, probably until WW2, which will definitely make France much stronger;
3. Immigrants would not have emigrated to Ellis Island, making the would-be immigrants stuck at their homeland;
4. The Atlantic Revolutions (Revolution of France, Poland-Lithuania, Latin America, etc.) would never had happened
If Napoleonic France did not exist;
1. Waterloo would never had happened;
2. The HRE would still exist;
2a. There will be no German Empire nor Nazi Germany, thus no WW2
What do you think?
by Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 25, 2020 5:21 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:A common alternate history idea is what if the Axis won World War II?
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 5:26 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:A common alternate history idea is what if the Axis won World War II?
I was thinking of posting my alternate history if the Axis won world war 2.
Due to German spies in London the allied invasion of Normandy failed. The German leader declared victory in Europe, over Britain, the USA and Russia. Britain and the US withdrew from the war in Asia and Europe. Hitler Forced the other fascist leaders to serve under him in a council of fascist leaders. Prime Minister Winston Churchill was not blamed for losing the war, still popular went into self exile in Canada and became Prime Minister of Canada under the crown. King Edward and Queen Wallace became King and Queen of England under a council of British Kings and Queens. Kennedy Senior became the next US President. Charles Limbourg became the first American Ambassador to Germany. After Hitler died the fascist council of leaders declared the new German led empire a multi political party democratic capitalist nation. Welcoming Jews as rich respected business man, business women, and Council of Ministers. The Greater German led empire recognized Israel as the main nation of the Jewish People. Recognized a Palestinian State of Palestine as the main nation of the Palestinian People. Happy ending for all at the end.
by Celritannia » Mon May 25, 2020 5:27 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:A common alternate history idea is what if the Axis won World War II?
I was thinking of posting my alternate history if the Axis won world war 2.
Due to German spies in London the allied invasion of Normandy failed. The German leader declared victory in Europe, over Britain, the USA and Russia. Britain and the US withdrew from the war in Asia and Europe. Hitler Forced the other fascist leaders to serve under him in a council of fascist leaders. Prime Minister Winston Churchill was not blamed for losing the war, still popular went into self exile in Canada and became Prime Minister of Canada under the crown. King Edward and Queen Wallace became King and Queen of England under a council of British Kings and Queens. Kennedy Senior became the next US President. Charles Limbourg became the first American Ambassador to Germany. After Hitler died the fascist council of leaders declared the new German led empire a multi political party democratic capitalist nation. Welcoming Jews as rich respected business man, business women, and Council of Ministers. The Greater German led empire recognized Israel as the main nation of the Jewish People. Recognized a Palestinian State of Palestine as the main nation of the Palestinian People. Happy ending for all at the end.
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by Voxija » Mon May 25, 2020 5:30 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:After Hitler died the fascist council of leaders declared the new German led empire a multi political party democratic capitalist nation. Welcoming Jews as rich respected business man, business women, and Council of Ministers. The Greater German led empire recognized Israel as the main nation of the Jewish People. Recognized a Palestinian State of Palestine as the main nation of the Palestinian People. Happy ending for all at the end.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon May 25, 2020 5:36 pm
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